Has Music Finally Gone to Far?

@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
June 29, 2007 5:24pm CST
It is said that every generation is disgusted with the music of their children. Elvis The Pelvis made parents cringe, but young ladies swoon. Jimi Hendrix shocked the WWII generation with his rendition of The Star Spangled Banner, but the babyboomers loved it. My folks thought Alice Cooper glorified suicide, but I couldn't wait to see his stage show. Ozzy Osbourne bit the head off a bat, and the crowd cheered. Today, It's me that is the "old fart". There is new music I really like and some I think is trash. But trash doesn't "go too far". What was acted out and left to innuendo in the past is now described in graphic detail. The band "Hell On Earth" who was going to feature an actual suicide on stage. It was killed by the local police, but the fans were looking forward to it. Florida passed a law imposing a $5,000 fine and 5 years in prison on any band that has a suicide on stage... Talk about laws you thought would never have to be passed! So, in your opinion, at what point to do you think music has, or will go "too far"?
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@Ciniful (1587)
• Canada
29 Jun 07
Interesting topic. I think there's always going to the extremists, in music and every area, that try to push the limits. As you mentioned, Ozzy bit the head off a bat and it made headlines, securing him a name for the future. Present bands and artists try to find their own gimmick or device that will push their limits, and their name ... bringing them more publicity. As they say, there's no such thing as 'bad publicity'. I think a lot of it can also be contributed to the general public. We've become so desensitized over the years that it takes more and more to shock us. There's a short story by Stephen King I always think of when referring to this subject, although it relates more to reality tv .. but it relates to this as well. Where 50 years ago, the Price is Right amused us .... and now, we have to strand people out on an island to be amused. Stephen King has a fictional story about a reality game show ... where 100 boys enter and must walk for days on end ... the last one still walking wins. If you've seen Condemned, same concept. I think if things keep going the way they are, those types of concepts will be a reality ... where people will actually have to die and suffer before the general public finds entertainment in it.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
29 Jun 07
There is some truth to all that, but if you look it really doesn't help much. Ozzy was a huge name in rock before the bat incident and Hell On Earth is as unknown as they were before. The Price Is Right was a top rated show for decades, but reality shows can't seem to last more than a few seasons.
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@Ciniful (1587)
• Canada
29 Jun 07
How many people, when hearing the name Ozzy, think of his music .. or immediately of the bat incident?? I know personally quite a few people that have never listened to Ozzy, but they know about the bat. The media played it up, and the end result is that his name will constantly be associated with crazy stunts, long after people have stopped listening to him. And regarding the price is right ... it was an analogy, not meant to be analyzed QUITE that deeply, lol. My point was simply that shock value, whether it's on tv, music, etc ... has to keep increasing because of the public being desensitized as much as we have been. New artists have to keep trying to meet that bar, and it keeps being raised higher and higher. Unfortunately, the ones with actual talent, who aren't intersted in the big publicity stunts, often get left in the dust to the ones who rely on media publicity stunts and shock value. Rage against the machine is a famous example for this ... with thier constant political displays.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
30 Jun 07
That's the thing. Those of us who like Ozzy barely think about the Bat incident. But those who don't, you're right, that's all they know about him. In other words, the stunt really didn't do much for or against his career. I thought you were using The Price is Right and reality shows as examples too. I was merely pointing out shows like TPIR (good shows that build a fan base without shock and awe) usually last a long time. Shows that do rely on shock and awe, like reality shows, only last a few seasons.
@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
30 Jun 07
I thought Maryln Manson was definately crossing the line. What the heck am I talking about they had to create another line for them to cross? You see these idiots that get on these stages that do these idiotic things are sick but what is sicker is the people that pay the outragous ticket prices and go watch them do what they do. I would dare these bands that think they can get away with anything on these stages to try to pull their stunts off in the real world. I would dare Maryln Manson to rip up a Bible in a church.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
30 Jun 07
Yeah, it's strange. I listen to Alice Cooper, Ozzy and Iron Maiden, but Marylin Manson just creeps me out. I think that it has to do with the fact that with the first three the horror stuff is an act, just horror comic stuff... Marylin Manson lives it.
• Saint Vincent And The Grenadines
30 Jun 07
I don't agree at all. Music hasn't gone too far, but there are always lunatics who enjoy pushing the limits, provoking. And of course there are bad people who use music as a tool for their own aims. But that doesn't mean that music has gone too far at all. It's funny when they accuse marilyn manson or slayer of being guilty of what a kid did after listening to their songs....what about all the violence they watch on tv? doh!
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
30 Jun 07
Cool, we have a vote for "not too far yet"... so what would have to happen for you do say that they have "gone too far"?
• Saint Vincent And The Grenadines
30 Jun 07
nothing really...music does nothing...it's humans who can use music in a wrong way...same with cars when someone drives recklessly, but cars don't go "too far"....society must be aware that violence is not good, that's the main thing.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
30 Jun 07
true, and yeah, I do mean the people writing and performing the music and those supporting it, not the music itself.
@devilsangel (1817)
• United States
30 Jun 07
I don't think it is the music that has changed really just how people present it that has. If you listen to the music today its about the same stuff we sang about when we were kids, its just presented differently. That to me is what has really changed. How people want the music presented to them. It seems to me like everything is done for shock value now, each generation has to one up the one before it. Its kind of sad but if you look back thats how it has always been.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
30 Jun 07
Yeah, there is the whole "oneupmanship" thing... so at what point to you see it going to far?
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