Evaluating George Bush Presidency

I'm sorry, I respect you and your oppinion but I will never believe that what the Bush administration did was for the right reasons so I can't give him credit. He was not a good leader at all, he seemed more confused on the important issues than most of the public were. He failed to explain properly some very important issues, instead using rhetoric and cheesy crowd-pleasing lines to gain a chear. He celebrated himself as a hero, but it was all theatre, the true interest of the Bush adminstration was nothing to do with liberating the Iraqi people. It was all about opening the market to secure America's ecconomy. Good for the US and the UK, but not good for the Iraqi people if you kill thousands in the process.

I think President Bush has done a good job. He has courage and vision. He knew what he was getting into. I can respect that, especially when the decision to do something is not popular with the people. Not all the right decisions are always popular, and President Bush knew that too. Look at what Lincoln did during the 1860s. That was not very popular either, but the end result was a secure United States of America and an end to slavery. The South has recovered well, and we can see it today. Bush is Lincoln, the country of Iraq will recover well once the insurgents and the rogue elements of Islam are removed. Remember this is a world wide Jihad. These terrorists are everywhere...even here.

I think Bush is smarter than what the "leftist" media has shown. This man is not stupid or else he would have never been able to win the presidency twice. He has a degree in economics from one of the best universities in the world. Do you have what he has? I do not have what he has either. Give the man more credit than what you have. The cases he has made has come out to make sense indeed. This is a world wide Jihad and these people are serious. The fact that "leftist" abd traitor "republicans" do not believe the seriousness at hand should be seen as a real threat to the national security of this country. You said that the president will be remembered as a dissapointment? I think the man will be remembered as one of the best presidents since Reagan. He will not go down in history as a coward like Carter or a "skirt chasing" liar like Clinton who got credit for something Reagan did over a decade before his luke warm presidential performance.

Women in Iraq are working as well as voting more than they ever did when Hussein was "dictator". Women in Iraq are even joining the security crews in Iraq. This is something which was never done in Iraq during the time of the Hussein. This was done years ago. The "leftist" media does not go over things like this because it is so busy trying to down the president, his administration and the war effort in general. http://www.cpa.org/pressreleases/20040114_Women.htm

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You are right this is dirt dug up by the leftist media. But I really don't think we can start to say that the Iraqis are better off, they are still in a war zone. How long has it been since Bush stated 'mission complete' and patted himself on the back. It's not complete at all, we're still there, our troops are still dying. A friend of mine who's in the Marines get stabbed by an Iraqi a few months ago, I personally do not think any more lives can be wasted. Almost 50% of Iraqi's, mostly in the cities, agree with attacks on coalition forces. They don't want us there.

Yes, I believe that as well.

My PMs? Huh? I'm not sure what you're saying. And I thought you opened a discussion on Bush Jnr's presidency?

Do I need to get started on your PM's?

OK, I would not go as far as Hugo Chavez by calling the man a 'Devil' but I think we need to step away from American domestic partisan politics and evaluate what the Bush Presidency has actually done for the American people. Let's look at some of the following points about the Bush Presidency: 1 - He was not elected in the first place and was awarded the Presidency by the Supreeme Court. Well, the results speak for themselves. He lost popular vote. But having said that, the fact that the 2000 Election went the way that it did says alot more about Al Gore than it does about Bush. Prior to 2000, George W was nothing more than the Governor of Texas who couldn't name anyone outside his pet cow. Al Gore on the other hand was the number two man and chief policy maker in many ways of what had been 8-years of unbroken prosperity and American leadership in global affairs. Gore was a high profile Vice-President and all he had to do was to run as "Clinton without the Interns." But he blew it! 2-The economy in the USA does best when the government is too distracted to do anything about it. Regan did well by the economy because he left it alone as did Clinton. Carter messed it up because he thought he could micromanage it. And its hard to argue who really did well by the economy - economies go through cycles and a lucky politician can catch a good ride on the economy as did Bill Clinton. But then again, Clinton was smart enough to pretend to fix serious problems like social security. Bush is interested in his tax cut but is blatantly oblivious to real threats to the American Economy like the lack of savings, high debts, budget defecits and housing bubbles. His inaction on these issues is going to cause the next few generations of Americans quite a few problems. 3-Trade policy has been a sham as far as the rest of the world is concerned. All the Bush Administration seems capable of doing is whinging about China making goods that American consumers want to buy as being "unfair." China has many problems and alot of its business practices are bad. But instead of concentrating on things like intellectual property protection and quality control, the US government only seems able to focus on the "Yuan" and China's trade surplus. - In case they have not noticed, the Chinese end up supporting US government debt by using that surplus to buy T-Bonds. By all means, crticise the Chinese but do it over the right things. It should be noted that while Bush was trying to show what he has for manhood by downgrading Hu Jintao's visit to the USA, Hu was busy wooing Bill Gates for investment. 4-Terrorism and the war against terror has been the focus of this administration. OK, I think Michael Moore does have an Agenda and has funny as Farenheit 9-11 is, the portrayal is probably unfair. However, criticisms of Bush's handling are not unfair, especially when you consider the fact that in nearly 8-years of his Presidency, George W has made the world's goodwill towards America after 9-11 and squandered it to the extent that America is now one of least regarded nations in the world. 4a-The Taliban were bad news by all accounts and I do take the view that it was good to get rid of them. And to be fair, American involved its allies and Afganistan is not the mess that is Iraq. However, how successful the the "Democratic government" in Afgahnistan? The answer is not very - for the most part, the nation is largely controlled by War Lords loyal only to themselves. Heroin production which was non-existent under the Taliban is now back and thriving in Afganistan - and the stuff won't stay in Kabul. 4b-Middle East Peace. Well, unfortunately the Palestinians didn't understand the nature of democracy. Your not supposed to vote for people that the State Department does not approve of and when you do...well you deserve to have your money stolen from you. Hamas may be many things but to many Palestinians, they offered a clean and efficient alternative to Fatah and they won that election fair and square. While Hamas has not announced that it plans to recognise Israel, it has held a ceasefire and only retaliated when Israel has persisted in its habit of anti-semitic terrorist activties like targeted assasinations and using tanks against stone throwing kids. Anyway let's leave aside views of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the imagination of some fundimentalist Christians and look at the real-politik of the situation. Boycotting Hamas has ensured that the Arab world will see America as Israel's lacky. Allowing Israel to indescriminately shell civilian areas and calling it self-defense against terrorism only creates a sense in the Arab World that America is unjust and makes Osama a hero to many. -Condi can bleat on about her record in the Middle East but even pro-Americans like myself can see that the Bush Administration is the most effective recruitment drive for Al-Qaeeda. 4c-War in Iraq, which is the cornerstone of this Presidency has been badly done. I don't see how even the most die-hard Republican can see this as a success. Yes, the troops kicked *** when they went into the place. But the Defense Department happily went into the place with no plans of what to do and alot less troops than was advised by quite a few military people. With the exception of awarding contracts to Haliburton, there has been no effort to build a credible infrastructure in Iraq. Sorry, even the leftist media/Islamic Fundimentalist are not efficient enough to 'brainwash' people to create the mess in the country. Iraqi. Everyday, American troops are dying in a war that has not benefited the AMerican economy or American security situation.