Ron Paul ALL the WAY Baby!
By PunkyMcPunk
@PunkyMcPunk (1477)
Canada
September 10, 2007 12:06pm CST
Hey America!!!! I'm going to ask a dirty question.... Who are you voting for?
I am not American. I am Canadian so a few of you may say "well she's got no right to ask this!" but I'm just curious. I hope to move to New Hampshire, sooner than later, fingers crossed. So I have been attempting to learn your history and politics and current news so I won't be an ignoramus.
I have been researching the candidates and at first I was all about Obama. I think he is a good guy with good intentions but he's too splashy and I don't think he really has a good step by step plan to implement his thoughts into reality-which is often the case for idealistic politicians. They often disappoint without meaning to....
I recently heard about this Ron Paul chap and well... To be honest the more I hear, the more I love him. I like him so much I would campaign for him.
I like that he wants to give more control back to the states themselves and less to the huge federal govt. Because well I can tell you here in Canada, the fed. govt. doesn't know anything about what each province needs because each province needs something different. It would be betetr to have the provincial or I guess in your case the state level govt. to have more authority.
He is all about getting rid of the IRS, NATO, NAFTA, and the United Nations I say "whoot! Here Here!" I'm loving that! Particularly I think that The free trade agreement hurt the US and canada more than it did the other parties. In fact I think us two were the big SUCKERS!!!!! As for the UN, if they actually did what they are supposed to do then it would be super wonderful but the international community cannot function equally and efficiently enough together.
Anyways, I've rambled enough....
Who are you voting for, if you are voting, and why? If you aren't voting, then why?
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9 responses
@ivyoon (673)
• United States
11 Sep 07
I've been following Ron Paul since the beginning and he is really the only candidate I have seen who completely supports all aspects of the American Constitution. (Dennis Kucinich comes close, but he is a lot like Obabma in that he may not have a solid plan in implementing his policies.)
Ron Paul is a Congressman and was the only candidate on the Republican ticket who voted against the war in Iraq.
If elected President, he will work to phase out the IRS and the Federal Reserve, which have collectively sent America into slavery...
(That's a whole other discussion!)
Anyway, I believe Ron Paul would be the best thing that could possibly happen to our country.
I respect you for doing your research on America before deciding to move here. So many people jump over their borders without one ounce of knowledge about out country... I do think that's rude.
(Heck, some people don't even speak English in our country!)
Good luck with your move to New Hampshire (great choice of states by the way!!) and I'll keep my fingers crossed for you too!
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@TDonald (1421)
• United States
11 Sep 07
It's good to see you taking an interest in such things. Especially being future new American.
I need more people like you in my YUWIE Libertarians Club.
If you are a YUWIE check it out and join the club. If you are not a YUWIE... why not? See my profile for a link.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
12 Sep 07
The way that works, and its only in the presidential election, is each state has a number of represenatives relative to the number of people in each state. after the tally is counted, the reps in the college for each state take and cast a vote, relating to the popular vote in the state lets say new hampshire has 2 represenatives and the majority of votes in that state are for Ron Paul. Then the reps at convention cast their vote for Ron Paul. NOW the quirky thing about that is that they are not obligated by law to go with the popular vote, but in tradition they do, It's never happened that they didn't despite what you hear in conspiricy theories. The convention is a public event and the voting is verbal. This system was puit in place a long time ago back when the common man not only couldnt read but was considered to uneducated to understand the government structure and duty. It's a huge controversy and many people feel the college should be abolished. Honestly, I think it should be, not because I don't trust it, but because it's very existence gives opertunity to call the results of the election in to question and overshadows the integrity of the vote.
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@PunkyMcPunk (1477)
• Canada
11 Sep 07
I wasn't going to join Yuwie because despite the crazy strict mylot admins I like this place but I might join just to chat with fellow Libertarians which is what I think I am although I am new to this terminology and party (as I am Canuck-Canadian) and am just learning.... Thanks!
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@PunkyMcPunk (1477)
• Canada
11 Sep 07
What???!!! A Small group of people vote after the people have voted..? I had not heard of THAT.... well if that is the case then my friend I guess I would agree with you that it really isn't fair. I can see how you would be angered or disenchanted by that.
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@mkirby624 (1598)
• United States
11 Sep 07
I am still undecided. I like Ron Paul's standpoint on the US needing to stay out of people's business and get out of other countries and tend to our own business.
However, he hasn't shown a specific plan on how we can do that and still maintain safety on American soil.
I began being a supporter of Rudy, however, he's only pointed out all the things he's done for New York City, but given no plan on what he wants to do for the country. He also expressed an opinion about illegal immigration and how it shouldn't be illegal to immigrate, etc etc, that I wasn't very fond of.
I want someone who has a solid plan and timeline for getting our men and women out of the middle east, has a real plan of how to keep illegals out and THEN and only then can we do anything about the ones that are already here. I want someone who has a realistic idea of what education should be like and a realistic plan on how to catch America's schools up with schools in other countries. We need to keep jobs from leaving the country, cut government hand outs, and focus on employing the people who live off the government..NOT continuing to put food on their table and designer clothes on their backs.
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@TDonald (1421)
• United States
13 Sep 07
If you look at any politican and he or she is manipulating the public with the Problem - Reaction - Solution trick(aka The Hegelian Dialectic), be wary.
That's when a Problem is presented to you designed to create a specific reaction. The politician convienently then offers a solution and becomes the saving hero.
Don't fall for that trick. Ask yourself, "What else could it be?" or "What else is happening?"
Always question authority. (Sounds like the sixties!)
Like many things, the solutions lie in less, not more government. I like Ron Paul because I think thats what he believes too.
Definition: Hegel's dialectic is the tool which manipulates us into a frenzied circular pattern of thought and action.
Also beware of the Conspiract Theorists when researching these topics. There are A LOT of theories that sound plausible. Almost every action you see by government and big business can be summed up as a grab for money or power.
Also, most Conspiracy Theories are designed as a vehicle to sell you a book or video. P-R-S again.
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@PunkyMcPunk (1477)
• Canada
11 Sep 07
MK I'm inclined to say the same thing for Canada... We need to stop messing in other countries until we get our own country sorted out. I even mean that we should pull back our $$$ from the charitable work that we are doing internationally. My country is pretty bad off but we keep shelling money out to other countries. It's not bad to donate but when I can rhyme off names of kids in my area that soometimes go to bed without food it bothers me to know that some of my tax money if going to feed kids in other countries. But I agree with what you say from a Canadian context.
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@FreedomIn08 (7)
• United States
6 Nov 07
recheck into ron pauls policies and plans to secure our borders here instead of in Iraq... hes not an isolationist hes a non interventionist... getting our troops OUT of these countries would make us safer instantly
ron paul is hard against amnesty as well!
@ma_belle (1357)
• United States
12 Sep 07
I actually really like Ron Paul as well. I appreciate his character a lot as well. I think he has some really great ideas and I love how he is true to the american constitution. However, I'm afraid the general american public is too stupid or too ignorant to appreciate his ideas and opinions. i just hope we don't end up with another monkey for president.
@tigertang (1749)
• Singapore
13 Sep 07
Ron Paul is great, he provides a breath of fresh air in a campaign filled with the usual faces and policies from the different parties. I mean, if you look at this way, in the last 16-years, the President has been called Bush or Clinton and if you look closely enough, you'd be hard pressed to find a seroius difference in actually policies between the Bush's and the Clinton (and come to think of it, Hillary isn't really providing anything new from what we already have)
Unfortunately, honest people don't win elections. They don't have the party mashinary, votes of the special interest groups etc etc. However, Ron Paul can provide a valueable service for us by giving us a different opinion.
@PunkyMcPunk (1477)
• Canada
18 Sep 07
Who cares what Hollywood stars support Ron Paul. They only get 1 vote just like everyone else. Ron Paul could get in if the people who believe in him support him to the fullest. If I were an American (which I hope to be someday) I believe in Ron paul so much I would be helping him. I would be rallying in my hometown area. I would be talking to people about him. If people vote your government has to listen.
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@markmiyashiro (213)
• United States
18 Sep 07
Today I got in the mail, Ron Paul's site has endorsement from Mel Gibson, Micheal Douglas, Renne Zelliwiger, Kevin Spacey, Winona Ryder, Ed Norton, Whoopi Goldberg, Benecio Del Toro, Kathy Bates, Ming Na. Wow a lot of folks who I thought were voting for Hillary Clinton.
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
10 Sep 07
Hi baby! snuck in to one of your threads:) love you!
ANYway, Ron paul I love his federalist aproach. LOVE it, truly old school party stuff, the way the government was intended. I am only having some trouble reconciling his isolationist policy on the middle east with todays world political and social climate. He thinks basicaly if we just leave the arabian peninsula all together, groups like al quieda will just leave us alone. This to me is a dangerous and naive assumption. Otherwise, I love him, I wish he had ran in the 2000 elections, I would have voted for him. Now in steps Fred Thompson. Another federalist cut from the same cloth as Ron Paul with a more realistic look at foriegn policy. He has my attention more and more and he strikes me as authoritative. I am still watching guliani, not because of his actions durring 9/11, though we as a nation had a chance to see him in action under fire and extreme pressure and he performed excelently. but because he is a proven leader, granted it was only a city, but iot is the largest city in america and considering the shape it was in when he took over it, one cannot ignore his acomplishments, what he managed there was nothing short of miraculous.
So thats where I stand so far.
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@goinliveinfive (561)
• United States
10 Sep 07
If the democrats don't come up with a viable candidate I'd vote for Mitt Romney. As a Massachusetts resident reaping the benefits of his healthcare reform plan in our state (I get incredibly good medical, dental and vision benefits and I pay $37 a month for it) I would love to see this program tweaked and deployed on a national level. It's still not as good as Canada's system but it would be a start. My second choice, though, would have to be Hillary because...well...maybe with a Clinton in the white house congress might be more inclined to spend my tax dollars a little more responsibly and maybe, if he manages to grow a pair, she can ressurrect her Universal Health Care bill once again and get a little further with it.
@PunkyMcPunk (1477)
• Canada
10 Sep 07
A nationwide health care system is amazing. I LOVE being able to see my doctor and get my son his appointments and not have to budget it in or worry about a bill in the mail. I do know though that because we have this system-which isn't as bad as some people try to let on. I mean yes, there are wait times but not for anything that needs to be done post haste, but I digress, as I was saying it doesn't up the taxes we pay here in Canada. I can live with that.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
24 Oct 07
You said, "As a Massachusetts resident reaping the benefits of his healthcare reform plan in our state (I get incredibly good medical, dental and vision benefits and I pay $37 a month for it) I would love to see this program tweaked and deployed on a national level." From what I've heard from Romney he has no interest in a national health care plan whatsoever. You're very fortunate to have the plan you have in Massachusetts!
Annie
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
24 Oct 07
I like Ron Paul, too, but I know he doesn't stand a chance because he goes against the big GOP party machine. It's too bad because unlike the GOP front-runners he's been consistent in his positions throughout instead of the constant flip-flopping done by Guiliani, Romney and McCain. As for who I'm going to vote for, I'm a registered Democrat and I'm undecided so far on who to vote for in the primary. In the general I'll be voting for the Democratic nominee because I like all of those who are running and feel they'll all be a 1000% improvement over what we have now.
Annie
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@markmiyashiro (213)
• United States
11 Sep 07
I am from Hawaii, ther is a few of us for Ron Paul. He stands against the IRS is fenominal. He is the only American that ackwolegdes the Constitution, I am hoping people vote for him, even though I don't believe in the system, he is the best candidate in America, I hope the Christian vote for him, he is a Doctor, and knows about abortion. He is the only candidate for the constitution. America has one last chances to put a good man as President, that is Ron Paul.
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@PunkyMcPunk (1477)
• Canada
11 Sep 07
You said that you "hope people vote for him although you don't believe in the system" can I ask what you mean by that? Do you not vote? Just asking.... if not why not?
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@markmiyashiro (213)
• United States
11 Sep 07
I don't believe the people who decide the Presidentcy will allow Ron Paul to become President, although he is the best candidate, his views on IRS, Federal Reserve, are probably the reason they Council on Foreign Relations will stop him, voting is a joke, look what happen with Gore and Bush, after all the counting it was decided by Electoral College, so they gave it to Bush, all the voting happens in the east coast, by the time people in Hawaii vote the election is over, they are telling the result by the time we get up in Hawaii.
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
11 Sep 07
I fail to understand what the councle on foriegn relations has to do with the electorial college.? And since when has the college erps picked someone who didn't get the popular vote? it (the electorial college) is a wide open proccess that takes place in a public convention.
Just for the record, i for the most part like ron paul :)
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