Pressureing a Friend's Boyfriend to Propose.....is it Immoral?

@Nykkee (2522)
Canada
September 10, 2007 7:10pm CST
My friend recently had a baby with a man that she lives with but that she is not yet engaged or married to. I worry about her because I know if he ever left it would completely break her heart. This is her second child and the father of the first child was a jerk and did not end up being there for her in the end, ehihc is how she ended up with this guy. I have been considering pressureing him to propose to her, because I know it would make her so happy if he would really commit. I wasn't planning to come right out and say to him, "Prrpose to my friend!" But I was considering ordering a bunch of engagment ring catalogues and stuff to thier address in his name to kind of try to send a subliminal message. So what do you think? Would this be wrong? My main concern is that he would think it was my friend that was doing and get mad at her for pressureing him.
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13 responses
• Canada
11 Sep 07
Personally, I would stay out of their romantic lives. The commitment to get married is a big decision, and no one should be pressured into proposing. Also, marriage doesn't guarantee a happy relationship - whether pressured or not. If it's right for them to be together, then they will be (married or not). And if they're not meant to be together - then a pressured proposal won't accomplish anything.
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@roniroxas (10559)
• Philippines
11 Sep 07
you cant just push somebody to get married. yes it is okay to be concern about your friend.... but your friend should think first before having a baby. she was wrong before with the dad of her first baby so she should be wiser now. lets put you inside hie shoe... would you like someone to pressure you t get married? i dont want to get pressured at anything.
@Nykkee (2522)
• Canada
11 Sep 07
Well see the thing is it wouldn't be pressureing her, it's what she wants. Everyone is saying the same thing, that it's a bad idea, so I will leave it alone but I am just going to clarify a few things so people don't think I'm nuts. She has told me she wishes he would propose. She never gets what she wants in life and I just want to see her get it for once. She deserves whatever man she wants and she loves him. They are together, they live together, but he is ones of these "What difference does it make we are together now we don't need to get married." She doesn't want to push and so is silent about how much it hurts her. I just want to see her happy. She looked so sad at my wedding. She was smiling and doing her best, she gave a nice speach, but I could see in her eyes she wished it was her.....I just want it to beher next.....so she can fel safe.
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@roniroxas (10559)
• Philippines
11 Sep 07
you are not nuts but this matter is to be discuss by themselves. some things are left for them to settle. its just like you and your husband there are matters to be discuss privately within you and him only. if he doesnt believe in marriages and it is hard for you to change his mind.
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@Nykkee (2522)
• Canada
12 Sep 07
Well like I said I was never considering right out pressureing him per say, (I know that was the word I used), I was just thinking about ordering him some Charm Diamond flyers or something.
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• Hong Kong
12 Sep 07
For me, I don't think that would be the best thing to do. Because if he wants it, he will do it and he will research on things and give her a surprise. Something that big has to come from the heart, otherwise, it won't succeed for them and if it doesn't work out right later on, he would have things to blame (like "your friend got me into all these!"). I think letting them decide their path would be a much better choice.
@sandwedge (1339)
• Malaysia
11 Sep 07
if the guy does not want to be married in the first place AND he is just a as$hole only after one thing, then "pressuring" him to marry your friend is a grave mistake. he will be a husband that stays out all night, have girlfriendssss, beats your friend and the child, never bring money home, have no respect for your friend ("your are the one wanting to get married!!!!" he will say, treat your friend like a slave, never appreciate your friend, hates the kid, etc etc...and you are to be blame for it all.
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@Nykkee (2522)
• Canada
11 Sep 07
Yeah I totally see your point and I don't really like him but it's so complicated....I just want her to be happy....and I think that even if they broke up one day, haveing been married and knwoing someone saw her as worth marrying would help her self esteem so much. I just want to see her happy. I will leave them alone. I just know it would make her so happy if he wouldcome around and REALLY commit.
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@ayu_asks (104)
• United States
12 Sep 07
I can see that you really care for your friend and you really want for her wish to come true. Actually I would agree that you do something abt it, but NOT sending a bunch of flowers & ring etc to their house so he'll get the hint. no no no... I think you should sit him down and talk to him ~ as a best friend to his GF ~ the mother of his child ~ that you are like a family to her and you want her to be happy and you happen to know wat exactly would make her happy ~ and talk to him and hear what he really say about the whole marriage thing. AFter the talk you would have a gauge whether he is going to make the bell ring or not. If you feel that he is really2x not going to change his mind, maybe it's time to talk to your best friend and check if getting married is REALLY what she wants. If it is; unfortunately you have to tell her it's not going to happen so she either move on or settle for no marriage with this guy. sorry for such long reply.. cheers.. .. myhandbaghaven.blogspot.com
@Nykkee (2522)
• Canada
12 Sep 07
Thank you for your response. I am glad you can see my point of view. I don't to be straight out pushy with him, I just wanted to try to get the thoughts into his mind. I care very much about my friend and I want her to be happy. I don't actually want to talk directly to him though becuase I don't want to make him uncomfotable.
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@magic669 (14)
11 Sep 07
i think it's blight.for your friend..if it would make the man dislike her ,what should she do ?? for the man ,if he know you make this thing ,what should he think of you ?i think the best way was that,you talk about it with your friend frist,you find out a way to slove this thing consistently ,and then your friend confabulate with him ,the point was the man 's attitude....
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@Nykkee (2522)
• Canada
11 Sep 07
He lives with her. He is her boyfriend. He apparently doesn't "believe" in marriage. She does. She is not the type of person to push for what she wants. I want her to have what she wants, she deserves it. But everyone says leave it alone so I will.
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@jillbeth (2705)
• United States
24 Sep 07
A marriage certificate never kept anyone from leaving who really wanted to leave! If he is committed to her in his heart, and treats her well, that is wonderful and maybe as much as she can expect from him right now. I knew a couple who lived together for 15 years before they got married!
@cutepenguin (6431)
• Canada
12 Sep 07
I think he is probably already feeling some pressure - from her, from his family, from his friends. Someone sending him catalogues and other hints might just be too much for him. You might be better off staying out of this one. I have a friend who has been with her boyfriend for a really long time, and he still hasn't proposed. She's quite upset about it, and I really want to call him up, or find some other way to make him propose, but I know if I do, I could mess things up.
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• United States
11 Sep 07
This definitely isn't something you should get involved in. You are not in the relationship. Your friend and her partner are the ones in the relationship and that's how it needs to stay. Marriage is a big commitment, and some people, regardless of how long they've been together, just never want to get married. Pressuring this guy to marry your friend because you think it's the only way to keep him around is sad, and really could end up scaring this guy away instead of keeping him around. You can't run anyone's life for them, you can't make anyone do something they don't want to do. And, for one, since you aren't the one actually involved in the relationship, you need to take a step back and mind your own business, even if you are afraid of her getting hurt. It happens, it happens to the best people, nothing, NOT even marriage can stop relationships from ending.
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• United States
11 Sep 07
Hon, if I was you I would stay out of that part of their lives. I'm worried that if you pressure him into marrying her it could end up in a bad relationship or he might leave her to. Really you don't want that to happen to her or them as a couple... I would let them know what you think about it if they do ask you about their relationship.
@mari_skye (1637)
• Philippines
12 Sep 07
I don't think pressuring will help your friend. This is something personal and for the two of them to decide. I do believe you want the best for your friend but meddling with their affairs will not do you any good. All you can be is a good friend and stand by her when she needs you. Cheers!
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@theprogamer (10534)
• United States
23 Sep 07
Depends on how its done, but I think it is immoral either way. Your friend can give ultimatums all she wants and sometimes he'll bite other times he'll show the door. I have seen more nasty ways to pressure a proposal (those of us who still have a brain call it extortion). One example, the girl lied to him about another man she was cheating with. With her comments added on, she thought it would get the man she wanted jealous and in a proposing mood. He gave her the boot. Another example, the girl claimed she was pregnant to her man and kept harping for a proposal. Problem is, the guy was sterile long before he met her. All he had to do was get the medical form proving he was sterile, get the legal form proving it too and the proof of the operation. He showed them to her after putting her in a false sense of security. She went through a line of emotions and finally cried. Not for deceiving him, but because her plan was ruined (that one put the exclamation mark on my anger at this). So ladies and friends, don't go crazy over this. Some men have a fear of commitment yes, but they have reasons for it. Some men just want to be very sure she's the one. And why is it that if a man doesn't propose at all or if he doesn't propose after x months or y years, why it is always "fear of commitment" like some attack order line!" On the opposite side of the coin, if a woman wants to go slow in any phase of the relationship, she is just being careful. Does anyone understand this? No of course not. I'll just keep yelling at deaf ears.
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@Nykkee (2522)
• Canada
24 Sep 07
I feel as if I have said this 100 time in this discussion now. I'm just going to leave tghe stupid turd alone. Hopefully he'll do it on his own. My friend is not the pusht type AT ALL she is more the doormat type and so every now and then I feel compelled to give someone a good push and get thier feet off of my friend. Now just because I really want to doesn't mean I always do. But in her defence let me say, she has lived with this man for years now, her son (from a previous relationship) is very attached to him, spends much more time with him than his own father (therefore in this country they are already common-law so all the so called "dangers" of marriage are already there, she could take him for alamony if he left and she was like that...but she's now), anyway, they have a new child together (so there is the child support if he left). I just don't see what he is afraid of. Anything there was to fear is already past the point. I just want to see him make her happy and make them an official family.
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@theprogamer (10534)
• United States
25 Sep 07
Nykkee, don't worry about confusion or having to repeat yourself. I just wanted to state my view on the matter. It should be rather eyeopening. As for your female friend, she's got to live her own life. I probably should have put that in my initial post but got a little fumed and dived into the subject. It happens. Sacri, spot on! I never knew that about you but that was an interesting story. If you don't mind I'm probably gonna share it with close friends and family. Your story is pretty good and eyeopening too. I am glad though that you did what was right for you.
@theprogamer (10534)
• United States
25 Sep 07
Incredible Sacri! Quoted for truth on all counts. Don't know if it means much but I think you are great with all of this.
@hassanah (387)
• Malaysia
25 Sep 07
I dont think it is wrong.What you do is a good job.Your friend's boyfriend is a jerk and no responsibility because he dont want to marry her after make a baby with your friend.Pity to the child because has a stupid parent.
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@Nykkee (2522)
• Canada
27 Sep 07
Thank you very much for your response. I think alot of people took this discussion too literally. As I said a bunch of itme I have no intention of going right up to the guy and saying "Marry my friend or else." But the simple fact is it would make her so happy and it would take alot of worry off the shoulders of her friends, because we worry about her being hurt. Plus there is the issue that many men, includeing he boyfriend, beleive that engagement rings and weddings have to be out of this world expensive and the cost scares them . She has very modest taste and that is part of why I considered ordering the flyer in his name, she shpwed me once the ring she hoped a man would give her some day, it was $150. I don't know if he knows that that is all is would take to put her one cloud 9, for all I know her thinks he needs to save for 3 years for something crazy expensive and while he is saving she is stressing thinking he doesn't want to stay with her. You know I think it might make a difference to alot of men if they were in love with a woman and thinking of marriage but feeling they needed to present her with the biggest diamond in the world and be prepared to shell out thousands upon thousands for the wedding and frightened by the financial side of it if someone told them that the woman they loved wanted an affordable ring and small ceremony and would make her own dress, that man might suddenly be all over getting married.