Why do some people willingly avoid to become dad &mom?What are the real causes?

@humbleme (1004)
India
September 29, 2007 10:36pm CST
Hello friends,There are people who desperately wants to become dad and mom and visits gynocologist/doctors year after yearto get pregnant as they are desperate for a child but there are also a large number of peoplewho willingly avoid to become pregnant or to become a father even they are 100 percent physically healthy, nor they ever adopt a child in their life time even if they are financially sound,but claim loudly they love children.Is this unwillingness an act of shelfishness or lack of selfconfidence and inability to take responsibities? I dont write in mylot to earn money nor ratings matters for me, so if anyone dont want to face the truth they can click as many negative rating for this post, I promise I wont mind, I am only interested to know the truth . Thanks again.
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22 responses
• United States
1 Oct 07
Well first of all I rated your discussion a +, not a negative. I don't think it deserves a negative. I know exactly what you are getting at. I think it could be any of the reasons listed. Some people might just not want to have to take on that responsibility. Some might think they would fail as parents. You can never really tell what people are thinking! =) For me, I don't want my own kids. And the reason for that is because I want to adopt a baby that needs a home. I want to give a baby a second chance. So I would rather adopt then bring another baby into the world.
@humbleme (1004)
• India
1 Oct 07
Hello LilyoftheThorns, Thanks verymuch for your response and and thanks again for not misunderstanding me like some people here, I never put a post to impose my own opinions or to make fun of others opinions but to update or to share my knowledges, but surprisingly I find some people really not interested in a healthy discussion with justified reasons or not interested in finding the real reasons or truth,I may be right or wrong but truth is always truth,the points you have written in your response is very realistic and makes lot of sense,I am not writting these words for you cause you have rated me positive but I think your explanations are very much realistic as well as transparent, and your response too deserve a positive rating.I have a friend ,he and his wife both of them love child a lot but were not sure if they can become good parents of their own child or not, or if they can raise a child properly or not, so they started mixing with the children firstly,then they adopted a four year old child, gained more experience and after that she became pregnant herself and gave birth to a cute girl child,and as far my knowledge is concerned they are living a happy famaly life.Also Ipersonally know a 60yrs old lady who was totally against having or raising a children and always lived a very fast social life, in 2004 she told me "I had so many friends in my young age, enjoyed a lot,two marriage breakups, every body is busy with their own life now, I feel so lonely I have nobody to talk with me, I really dont to live alone anymore." and she adopted a five years old girl child after few months. In 2007 I met her again and she told me"I will live another 40 years to raise this child, I was so wrong I divorced my second husband just only because he wanted children and I was against it , but he has married again and living a famaly life with his own son and daughter and I dont have the courage to face him for an appology,through out my life I lived like a selfish giant, I was so wrong." Please I hope nobody will attack aggrasively as I have shared this real life story not with intensions to impose any thoughts on anybody, every one has their own choice to live their own life.Thanks again.
• Australia
30 Sep 07
I think everyone deserves to have a right to choose. I don't want to have kids too. My reasons are just simple. We live only once. We should enjoy our life, and make ourselves happy. Doing everything that you want to in this life, that can make you happy, without having kids standing on our way to achieve what you want to achieve in your life. If our life in this world, is just to raise kids, that life must be very boring, and has no meaning.
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@humbleme (1004)
• India
30 Sep 07
Hello Cheerful_Beauty, Thanks for your response and yes ofcourse every humanbeing have the rights to choose.Yes if we think that we live only once on earth, wouldnt we want to leave someone our own in this earth, that unborn too has the right to live a happy life in earth?every normal human being is blessed with two hands by God, now if I say I will use just one hand and the other hand I will keep under pockets to avoid dirts and my soap and time consumption will be more, is my reason acceptable?Please Please dont take it as an attack on you,as every body of us here are friends and I have abosolutely no intentions to insult anybodies feelings, but I am only interested in discussions for the sake of uplifting my knowledge and studies. I will be happy if you share your thoughts with us.
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• Philippines
30 Sep 07
i've been into that situation that's why i've married late.that is because of too many broken marriages and many children who suffer because of that that discouraged me so much.but now i've realized how worthwhile it is to have a child and i wouldn't want the things that scared me to happen to my children.i think that's one of the reason why.usually they're a victim of a poor marriage.
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@Clairec23 (136)
• Ireland
30 Sep 07
People don't have to reproduce. They have the right to choose whether to become a parent or not and shouldn't be judged over it. It's not a bit selfish to say you love children but don't want to have your own. I love tigers but I'm not about to raise one. Not quite the same thing I know :) I have two children. They mean everything to me and I always planned on being a mother, but that's my personal choice. That does not make me less selfish or any better than a person who chooses not to have a child. It's not even an issue to me.
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@humbleme (1004)
• India
30 Sep 07
Hello Clairec23, Thanks for your response and I agree with you that people should have rights to choose their own decesions in their own life but at the same time I am really surprised with your example as you have compared a human child with a tiger and also claiming to have two children, do you lock your children inside a room? I am sorry I am confused.
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• United States
30 Sep 07
Thank you Claire! "People don't have to reproduce". The tone of responses to this thread is upsetting. Why do people seem to think that just because people "can reproduce", then they "should reproduce" or else something is "wrong" with their thinking, or they are selfish or fearful? IMO, to be judgmental like many people have shown here ... THAT is "wrong".
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• United States
30 Sep 07
Humbleme, You SHOULD be sorry, but not for being "confused" as you "claim", for being ridiculously judgmental of others having NOTHING to do with you and your life, and for thinking the world should revolve around YOUR ideals. You should be ashamed at the uncalled for remark against Claire's response. It is obvious that Claire was NOT comparing a child to a tiger. She was stating that just because we CAN do or have something does NOT mean that we should or would want to. You have said that you think people should have a choice in this matter, but your posts do NOT reflect that at all.
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@Seraphine (385)
• Finland
30 Sep 07
Personally I choose to not have kids because I know I'm not parent material. There are way too many children in the world with lousy parents and I don't want to add to that problem. I do think it would be nice to have kids to carry the family name and traditions forward, but I know it wouldn't be fair on the kids to have to live with a mom who, due to her personality, would not be able to provide the best life possible for them.
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30 Sep 07
I don't think choosing not have children is selfish. If they don't really want to but feel their expected to, what kind of parents would they be!? I personally feel there are far too many people having children who are too selfish to give what is needed to bring up a child. You read so many stories these days, i'm truely starting to think there should be boundaries set up before being allowed to become pregnant. I love kids, i have 3 of my own and i also work as a pre school teacher. I see a lot and it's frightning
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@Angelwriter (1954)
• United States
30 Sep 07
I don't everyone is required to have the responsibility to raise a child. Not everyone is meant to be a parent and I think it's better that a person decides not to have/adopt a child if they know they aren't parent material, rather than do it out of some sense of duty. I don't plan on having kids. I'm not the maternal type. It's not selfish. It would be much more selfish for me to have a kid who could have a better parent than me. It's not a lack of self confidence, either. It's knowing what I'm good at. I'm not going to be an Olympic track and field star (sorry, bad example) but not because I don't have the confidence, but because I know where my skills lie and it's not in that arena either. If I'm ever in a position where I have to become a parent to a child, I do hope I will do my best even with my poor skills to be the best parent I can be. But, as long as it's not required, I don't choose to be. And, I hardly think it's selfish if someone chooses to help kids in other ways even if they don't become parents. Volunteering at youth centers, teaching, babysitting, and other things I haven't thought of. It doesn't have to be all or nothing.
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@humbleme (1004)
• India
30 Sep 07
Hello Angelwriter, Thanks for your response and sharing your thoughts with us. Thanks again.
@stella1989 (2274)
• India
30 Sep 07
Its actually that some people are a little bit afraid of handleing some responsiblities of family and kids..!! Being parents is not an easy job!! They know it clearly that being parents is not an easy job so they better stay away of all this!! The second reason could be they are just too occupied by themselves only that they just can't give any of their time and love to any kid..! Actualy these kind of people a little bit mean OR you may say that they want to wait for a good time to have kids..so that they can give full of their time to them!! :)
@humbleme (1004)
• India
30 Sep 07
Hello stella1989,Thanks for your response.I agree with you that may be for too much competetion to survive on earth could be a major factor, also thoughts, conceptions and ideologies are changing fast, some I try to understand instantly and some I take time to understand and I grab those in installments as I have a fools brain hahahahaaa
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
30 Sep 07
I can understand people who have an inherited disease or perhaps have a mental condition such as manic depressive, or feel that because their parents sexually abused them, they do not want to risk doing that to a child, so they avoid becoming parents. But there was people who have an inherited disease, a mental condition, and were abused, and yet they become parents. Using that as an excuse is not right as there are many avenues of help. Mind you, there are people who say that some should not become parents because they feel that person is too immature and for the above reasons and I wonder whether the persons who did not want to be parents were influenced too heavily by the negative sayers on their lack of potential parenting skills. There is help available and perhaps the people who do not want children, are too selfish to get that help. As for being materialistic, well I used to watch all the old movies about rich selfish couples who had children and made out okay and their kids were fine.
• United States
9 Dec 07
Who are you to say that people who don't want children need "help"? Why are they somehow lesser people for the simple choice of not reproducing? There is no law of obligation to childbearing, it's a choice.
@skydancer (2101)
• United States
30 Sep 07
For me, the simple answer is that first of all, I am interested in career. Second and perhaps most importantly, I just simply do not have the personality that it takes... and this is a social disorder - it's not something that I can simply "overcome" like a personality flaw. And all of this is not helped by the fact that I don't want to get married either. Bottom line, the lifestyle doesn't look appealing to me, I have other priorities, and having children just wouldn't be the right thing for me.
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@humbleme (1004)
• India
30 Sep 07
Hello skydancer, Thanks for your response and sharing your thoughts transparently with us, and yes ofcourse you have total rights to follow your own decesions in life. Thanks again.
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@paulsy (1263)
• Philippines
30 Sep 07
Being a parent is a very big responsibility. Once a couple has a child, it would be necessary to give up several other liberties that a childless couple normally enjoy. Some couples may be healthy, or may be financially stable, but still prefer not to have a child yet, inspite of their claims that they love children. I guess loving children is much much different from wanting to have them already. I wouldn't consider it as selfishness or lack of self confidence and inability to take responsibilities, though. Maybe they just want to be really prepared before going through the responsibility. Because once the child has been born, there is no turning back from being a parent.
• United States
30 Sep 07
Interesting questions, but laced with a bit of sarcasm toward anyone choosing not to have kids. One person cannot pretend to even fathom the thousands of personal reasons why others do not have children. As far as not adopting even when they are financially able, that is like implying that because one person is wealthier than another, then they should take on the financial burdens of others less fortunate. I have three kids from age 20 to 11) whom I love unconditionally and would not trade for anything, BUT, if I could have foreseen where society was going, how the quality of life would be (is now), how we're destroying our own... politically, environmentally, morally, etc, then I would have chosen NOT to have any children. The majority of kids are being raised by single parents in the US while the non-custodial parent skips out of their child support and out of the kids lives. Why bring more kids to suffer into such a mess we have created, into a life of hopelessness and immorality, and "me, me, me, hear my cause and don't tread on my feelings" attitudes, into a life of "anything goes", "you're on your own without much parent involvement" that we accept as "normal" in our world?
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@humbleme (1004)
• India
30 Sep 07
Hello Designinglife, Thanks for your response and interesting views.Dont you think we elect our own Government, we make our own soceity ourselves then do you mean that we are failing to teach the next generation our kids ,ourselves also the proverb "Charity begins at home" should be removed from our book?
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• United States
30 Sep 07
Do you live in the US? We are told who we can "choose to vote for" among candidates they have selected for us. The entire political party is corrupt and has been herding us into totalitarian dictatorship for years. What does this have to do with whether or not people want to have kids anyway? You lost me on your second part of your response, sorry.
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• United States
30 Sep 07
PS, Scientifically speaking, Humans are the only creatures proven to be self-destructive to their own kind rather than preserving of future generations.
@utuluk07 (47)
• Nigeria
30 Sep 07
The Truth is most people lack self confidence and most people their unwillingness to take up responsibilities. To some women, they dont want to be under the tie of marriage, they want to flirt around even some men also want to do that, Upon their decision, they see father or mother responsibility as a barrier and inconvinent for them to stick to their will or action. To some, selfishness, even though they want it, but they cant just afford to commit themselves to it due to the ups and downs in family affair. Well most people have thier personal views, but I see these as common factors that make men and women to back off from becoming Mom or Dad
• United States
9 Dec 07
So you think people only choose not to have kids so they can be sl*ts? How insulting. Also, you don't have to be married to have kids and you don't have to have kids if you're married.
@saraho (23)
• United States
30 Sep 07
I think that society is slowly changing its views on parenting in that it is more acceptable to not have children than it used to be. In the past, you were very much an outcast if you did not wish to procreate. I suspect that there were many individuals in the past who really didn't want children, but had them because they felt they were supposed to. Maybe people today are choosing not to have children because they no longer feel as much pressure to have them?
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@humbleme (1004)
• India
30 Sep 07
Hello saraho, Thanks for your response.I agree with you that soceity is changing its views, thoughts, conceptions and actions thats reflecting in the life styles and what I dont agree with you on your suspicion that in past too many individual didnt want children, how much past you meant?according to my studies and knowledges the concept of living together without marriage or not eager to have childen has started with the popularity of hippie lifestyle from early 70s .Though popularity of hippie culture almost vanished from earth now, but some concepts from that culture has been adopted by alarge number of people worldwide, also I believe too much competetion for survival could be a major factor.I have no intensions to hurt anybodies feelings and I respect everybodies opinions . Thanks again.
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@humbleme (1004)
• India
30 Sep 07
Hello saraho, Thanks for your reply, life is easier today in which respect? do you mean easier in respect of our comfort, science and technology, then I agree.But what about our huge population? do we have enough job vacancy/ earning options in ratio to this huge population? fifty thousand or more apply for five vacant posts today,there are very few people who got a steady job, still insecured to loose it anytime, so much competetion every where can you deny that even forty years back people lived much more relaxed life than what we are living today?
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@academic2 (7000)
• Uganda
9 Dec 07
It could be this illusion that child birth hand ties the mother into being a home mum and most young women dont like this idea. Secondly in the Western world especially,those with careers-they prefer their jobs to their children.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
9 Dec 07
My response to this one is easy. I love children, but I don't want to raise one right now. When I was in my early 20's, I was eager to get married and have kids. Now that I'm older, I don't feel that same desire. My wife and I are still going to school and beginning our careers. I don't feel that I am, or should be obligated to have children. There are some people in this world who should NEVER have children, and yet they breed like animals with multiple partners and have kids whose only purpose is to earn them a bigger welfare check. One might say my wife and I are selfish for not wanting to have children. If you feel that way, meh, it's your opinion. I raise friendly birds that live happy lives. I also take good care of my nephews and nieces. I just have no desire to have children of my own and I don't believe people should have children unless they want them. I do feel bad for people who want children and can't have them. Sometimes I wonder why people who shouldn't have children have so many, and some people who want children struggle just to have one.
@vinzen (1020)
• India
30 Sep 07
It would all depend from person to person i think and also upon their personal choices and preferences, as each person is a different indiviaul and may have their own likes and disklikes too. Yes, those who are physically alright and capable to raising and bearing kids, may still not want to go in for it, maybe becasue from deep within they are still not ready or willing to take up the responsibility of raising the kids or may not like children at all, yes there are many people i also know of who are like this. They may like others children and praise the kids a lot, but are happier when they are alone, and reasons can also be that both partners are working and maybe they realise that kids require a 100% attention and dedication and mayve seen some parents and how they rare their kids and have bitter experiences regarding that. So whatever the reasons maybe, they would differ from people to people and their reasons maybe very different too. But for me its been a blessing and i feel to tell all those who refrain from having kids, that that is one part of your lives you are really mising out on, i think you should have kids and see the blessing God bestows upon you too, things are not as bad as maybe you think or take them to be. :)
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@hailie17 (448)
30 Sep 07
I personally have no desire to be a parent. I am not a maternal person and i very rarely gush over babies. I don't think it's a lack of responsibility as it is not my duty to have a child, it is my choice. If one day i do decide to become a mother would that make me a more responsible person? I don't think so.
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• Canada
1 Oct 07
There are lots of reasons that people choose to be child free. And they don't involve a lack of self confidence or lack of responsibility. I think someone who is childfree needs a lot of self confidence, because many people will criticise their decision. They have to be strong and ready to stand up for themselves, and defend their personal choice (which really isn't anyones business other than theirs). And most childfree people are very responsible. Someone who decides that they don't want to, or shouldn't bring children into the world is obviously being responsible, and thinking through the decision very carefully. I think it's much easier just to go along with society's expectation and have kids. The choice to be childfree does not make someone any less responsible than someone with kids. Some people don't like kids, have personal health issues that discourage them from having children, prefer to devote their time to other endeavors such as charity work or their jobs, can't financially support a child, or don't get along with kids. Some people would rather prefer to devote their time to their spouses, and don't want to spread their lives too thin by having children. Some people would also rather spend time traveling, enjoying their hobbies, and keeping their lives spontaneous. Not all lifestyles are suitable for children. It's a personal decision that no one should have to justify to anyone, and that should be respected by everyone else. Unfortunately society isn't at that point yet, and childfree individuals still have to defend their personal decisions.
@humbleme (1004)
• India
1 Oct 07
Hello AeroChickie,Thanks for your response and also thanks for the reasons you have placed with out getting aggrasive like others here and I am always open for a healthy discussion.I have few question to you. 1.What made you think that most childless or child free people are very much responsible? Responsibility towards what? Secondly in my post I have completely removed the point of financial crisis and health issues regarding raising a child cause there are many people on earth who are financially sound 100 percent physically healthy still they dont give birth or never adopt a child. Thirdly you have written that enjoying hobbies,travelling keeping the life spontaneous are very ingredients needed for our life and I totally agree with you, but dont you think that these things can also be continued with a child boy or girl too? For example from the age of six or seven I have accompanied my dad and mom in travelling whole world during our school vacations, my dad's hobby is yoga sports and reading books on all subjects and my mom's hobby was to play piano and I have adopted all as my hobby and still now our family is very spontaneous full of life all the time, also I never felt myself or my dad or mom uncomfortable due to my presence!So how can you say life cant be spontaneous with children? Yes my dad and mom made sacrifice for me, couldnt travelled much, till I reached the age of six and if you talk about living a secret lifestyles is it healthy permanently?and if some one still interested and if the couple is intelligent they can make way out for that to keep out the reach of children .I will have fun alone,I will not sacrifice few years for my child, I will travel alone, I will eat alone,I will think about me and my choice only,I will live for myself only etc etc points, dont you think these are the signs of perfect shelfishness? if your answer is no then please teach me the defination of shelfishness? finally I consider mylot a discussionboard where I try to share my knowledges as well uplift my own knowledges through healthy discusiions, with proper reasoning and IF I SAY I HAVE THE RIGHTS TO CHOOSE MY OWN DECESIONS AND I WANT TO DIE,THEN I HAVE TO PUT PROPER JUSTIFIED REASONS TO ESTABLISH MY DECESION AND MY CONCEPTS OTHERWISE WOULD NOT YOU CALL ME I AM SUFFERING FROM DEPRESSION FRUSTRATIONS OR I AM SELFISH MYSELF ESCAPING MYSELF FROM MY RESPONSIBILITIES TOWARDS MY FAMALY AND SOCEITY??? THEN PEOPLE WHO DONT HAVE ANY VALID POINTS THAT THEY CAN ESTABLISH BEHIND AVOIDING TO BECOME DAD AND MOM INSPITE OF FINANCIALLY SOUND WITH 100 PERCENT PERFECT HEALTH CONDITIONS, THEN WHY CANT YOU CALL THEM SUFFERING FROM DEPRESSION FRUSTRATIONS AND SELFISH? ARE MY REASONS SOUNDING VERY UNJUSTIFIED?I AM ALWAYS OPEN FOR HEALTHY DISCUSSIONS WITH WISE PEOPLE AND ALWAYS READY TO RECTIFY MYSELF IF ANYBODY PROVE ME WRONG WITH PROPER JUSTIFIED REASONS.
• United States
1 Oct 07
Applause to Aerorchickie :)
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• Canada
1 Oct 07
Thanks for the response. It's good to hear different opinions and perspectives. I'll try to explain some of my thoughts further: I call a childfree person "responsible", because they have concluded that they should not be parents for whatever reason. To me this is a very mature decision. If someone does not have the time, emotional effort, or desire to raise a child, then it would be irresponsible to go ahead and have a child. If a person isn't willing to devote their life to raise a child, then they should not be a parent. A person who admits this and accepts this has made a responsable decision that they should not be a parent. It is with this reasoning that I say that childfree people should not be labeled as irresponsible. As for selfishness, I read an interesting discussion some time ago that has stuck with me. It listed reasons why people wanted to have children verses not have children. And interestingly enough all the reasons to have children were selfish, while many of the reasons to not have children were not selfish. Here are a few of the examples that I remember: Reasons people want children: 1)Personal experience - for the experience to be a parent 2)Personal pleasure - so they can play and have fun with their child 3)to carry on their family name and genetics 4)To have someone to take care of them when they're old 5)To have a "smaller version" of themselves If you think about it, those are all selfish reasons. Whereas many childfree people will present you with unselfish reasons for not wanting kids such as: 1)the world is over populated and over burdened for natural resources 2)they want to spend their time and money volunteering, doing charity work, helping people who are already here instead of creating a new life 3)they don't feel they'll make good parents (they are being unselfish by sparing a child an undesired childhood) 4)they don't have the time to properly raise a child All of these reasons are actually not selfish, because they are in the best interest of someone other than themselves. This puts an interesting twist on the common perspective that childfree people are selfish. As for keeping life spontaneous - it is much harder when you have a child. You can't just decide on the spur of the moment to go out and do something fun with friends or your spouse. Everything has to be planned in advance so that you can make arrangements for someone to watch your child. Also, certain peoples' travel destinations or travel styles aren't suitable for children - even if they are 6 or 7 years old. Kids take a lot of time and money to raise, which may prevent some people from pursuing their hobbies and passions in life. Some people choose to develop their skills and talents to the fullest, and get the most they can out of life. For some, this can't be done with children. Thanks for listening! Hope this shows you a new perspective of childfree people.
@lillipop (53)
• United States
9 Dec 07
Hello, That is a very intresting question,I wonder why also.