I'm Pi$$ed Off With People Against PETA
By pyewacket
@pyewacket (43903)
United States
October 2, 2007 4:49am CST
Okay here's another pi$$ off of mine!
I've done several discussions about animal cruelty and these have been brought about by newsletter emails I get from PETA. I always get someone chiming in about groups who are against PETA as they don't exactly have a stellar record themself.
To those against PETA --I KNOW ABOUT THIS!! This is NOT news to me. I have in the past come across these websites about how PETA itself kills animals in shelters..Yes I know about this.
But let me enlighten folks here. I happen to personally know a lot of pet rescuers, especially those tied with the so-called no-kill shelters. They have all said the same thing to me...and that is, if you think no-kill shelters are entirely no-kill, wake up..think again.
The grim statistics I've been told is that the only way every single pet in these shelters were to be adopted, every single person in this country (USA anyway) would have to adopt a minimum of at least nine pets....that is how overwhelming the number is of all the unwanted pets that are in shelters. Now most pet rescuers will have a limit of how many pets they will rescue, and even they will tell you how hard it is, for all the pets they have in and under their care it is to find good and adequate homes for these pets. But then there are the rescuers who have over 50 pets or more and as one pet rescuer told me, she has to make the lousy decision of putting animals down, as there are just too many of them, and more and more pets come into the shelter or are dumped anonymously on an almost daily basis.
Then we're talking about organizations like ASPCA--they only became a so-called no-kill shelter organization in recent years, but they too have to put hundreds, if not thousands of animals down every year as there is just no room for them..and don't ask about Animal Care & Control..the most "famous" as a Kill-shelter.
I'm sorry, and don't think it cruel for me to say this, as I'm an animal lover beyond comprehension, but somehow I think it's better for the numerous pets in pet shelters to be put down, rather than being turned over to labs for experimentation where that innocent animal will no nothing but torment and pain for the remainder of its life.
So yes, PETA might not have a stellar, spotlessly clean record itself, but neither do a lot of animal organizations or shelters. There are just too many unwanted pets waiting for new homes, and not enough homes for them to go to.
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28 responses
@ElicBxn (63747)
• United States
2 Oct 07
I guess my major objection to PETA is the fact that they have the WORST precentage of $$ they raise administrative/animals of ANY charity.
I was involved in a local animal group years ago & the leader wanted to join PETA. She went on vacation and visited. She got all excited and started talking about moving there.
A member pulled her aside & told her not to. That she herself was planning on leaving PETA because they wasted so much money paying themselves instead of helping animals.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
2 Oct 07
Well it's not just PETA that does that, just about any organization that raises money does that..Since I'm part Native American, I happen to know that many of the Native American type organizations that raise money to "help" Native Americans goes into their own pockets..okay unrelated to animal causes, but all organizations stink that way
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
2 Oct 07
That's not too bad...lol...I forget the one name, something like the Native American Relief Fund...they take about 80% of the funds..and the people who are suppose to benefit never see it
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@kiobug (2250)
• United States
2 Oct 07
My beef with PETA is that most followers are like religious people who always try to get you to come to church. Theres a constant need for PETA followers to tell people all about animal cruelty. We know animals are abused, etc...but don't just start talking all about it. Not everyone is interested in the cause. It's your personal choice to be Pro PETA and its my personal choice to ignore it. Dont get me wrong, I love animals but I also like to eat meat and I think it's unhealthy not to eat it, and not all animals are killed inhumanely. Can you say Kosher?
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
2 Oct 07
kiobug that's a very apathetic viewpoint you have...yes, it's true that not all animals raised for human consumption are abused or killed inhumanely, but this is the exception...but to not to take some kind of stand against cruelty to animals is in itself inhumane--then people wonder why the world is in the state its in when people don't voice their opinions about injustice that is going on in the world in general
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@kiobug (2250)
• United States
4 Oct 07
Is Micheal Vick not an example of this? People are dealing with that aren't they? Animals are different, people notice when other people are missing. The police don't go around saying hey Joe I notice your dog Spike didn't show up to his obedience class, everything okay? Animals don't live as long as us therefore it's not uncommon for them to be "hit by a car" or "pass away".
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
2 Oct 07
That why Bob BArker always said get pets spade ot nuetered to control pet population.
and I do think it is awful to put pets down but what are they to do if no one wants them and if they have bitten some one is best.
as for experiments I just have hope that they dont suffer the way of the mouse swimming in paint dont knw what that could be a meaning of or what point it makes .
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
2 Oct 07
The sad truth is,is that pet shelters are just too overcrowded with unwanted pets..pet rescuers do have to make the decision all the time to put animals down as more pets come into the shelters---rather than then turn them over to labs
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@bonbon664 (3466)
• Canada
2 Oct 07
I'm all for any group that supports the humane treatment of animals, but I find that PETA is too radical for me, and they have views that I can't agree with. I am involved in animal rescue, and love animals myself. On the other hand, I will continue to eat beef, wear wool and silk, and continue to crate train my dogs. I have had to cross their picket lines on the way to the Outdoor Show here, where they were screaming at me telling me I'm heartless and cruel because I fish. Catch and release mind you, but, the group is very narrowly focused, and thinks people who don't think like they do are evil. I don't think it's right to demoralize humans to try to emphasize their point.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
2 Oct 07
quickinstinct you say PETA supporters are close-minded? I can't help thinking you're the one who is close minded and just not aware of what's going on in the world as far as the cruelty in general that we humans inflict on animals, whether it be for food consumption, "sport" or animal experimentation. If it weren't for an organization like PETA no one would even be aware of what is going on with the cruelty being done with animals...BUT PETA is not the only organization to do sp///granted there methods might be more radical, but you have organizations like the Wilderness Society, The Defenders of Wildlife, The Humane Society of The United States and so many more, that are basically all getting out the same messages across--are you going to call them close-minded too?
I'm by no means a vegetarian myself...although I do try to cut down on my intake of meats....If you have seen any of the videos however, of how our meat is mass produced in general you would realize how the meat industry abuses the animals raised for human consumption--one of the worse offenders is Kentucky Fried Chicken and how they raise their chickens.
quickinstinct..I think you need to enlighten yourself on what is REALLY going on in the world....get some facts will you? With all the humane animal organizations that are out there in the world, they can't be all wrong or close minded..Do a bit of research about this will you? Cause to me it seems you just don't know what you're talking about
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@quickinstinct (432)
• United States
2 Oct 07
I agree. I think a lot of PETA supporters are close minded individuals and many of them simply buy into whatever mindless blather that the PETA authorities feed to them. You are unique in that you know the limits and where to draw the line. Like you I don't want to see animals needlessly killed (dogfighting and abuse) but at the same time the strong survive and evolution is evolution. Many animals are food for us and without them we would be in quite a predicament.
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@MakinMoney129 (231)
• United States
2 Dec 07
You ARE all closed-minded!!! Each one of you is wasting time here, arguing with all of us and telling us we're wrong for our personal beliefs, and that unless we pray to a golden statue of Ingrid Newkirk, who, by the way, better stop leaving messages on my answering machine since I cancelled my membership before I file a harassment report, that our beliefs are wrong. There is not ONE single person here that believes that animals should be tortured, hurt, beaten, neglected, abandoned, or experimented on, and yet we're all wrong and stupid and closed-minded because we don't worship Peta?!?! THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING!!!
@asawako48162 (3321)
• United States
3 Oct 07
i think you are right. Our local humane society is better then the city dog pound and the city dog pound is better then leaving the dogs run loose...the dogs and cats and other animals have a far better chance getting adopted to good homes and fair medical treatment at the local humane society..BUT they are have their problems too...they are staffed with volunteers and not all volunteers are far from perfect..plus you have people who work in the humane shelter ON COURT ORDER..so their attitude is not the best...so things can happen...but overall I would rather have the Humane Society then the Dog Pound and the Dog Pound is better then nothing...
I adopted a wonderful dog from the Humane Society..Scarlet..was our mixed breed mutt who stayed with us for over 115 years and she passed away at the age of 16+ but we will always love her...but we adopted another dog..a five year old shih tzu male..everyboey wants a puppy but we took a dog that had been abused and give him our love...his name is Gizmo ..but you can tell he has trouble trusting humans..sometimes you have to do what you can do...you can't save all the animals but you can do something to help at least one animal
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
3 Oct 07
Hehe--before I read your second post I was thinking, wow, that dog lived a long time...LOL...Kidding I knew what you meant...and glad you adopted your dog from the Humane Society...just think you saved a life!!
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@asawako48162 (3321)
• United States
4 Oct 07
I heard on the media..and i don't know if this is true or not--but there if all the dogs in the US were to be adopted..then everyone in the US would have to adopt 9 dogs? does this sound right? if it is a ballpark figure..the problem is worse then we can imagine..i hope i heard this wrong...
i worry so much about my dog..i wonder if something happens to me or my wife who would take care of the poor animal who has only know love and kindness all its life..but that what happens to older dogs who are put in a pound when the owners can't take care of them..my heart aches when i think of what these animals must suffer if they are just put out in the street to fend for themself..but then i realize that some people do this to their own family...so i am not to proud of the human race..sometimes..but I just do what I can and I know that there is a lot of good people who take care of their responsiblilities..thanks for listening..have a nice day
@asawako48162 (3321)
• United States
3 Oct 07
15 years not 115 years...that would be more like it.*
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@GaiaFireLynx (208)
• United States
2 Oct 07
I will just say that I have mixed emotions about PETA & leave it at that. I agree with your statement that it is better for animals to be put down humanely than be used in labs for experimentation.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
2 Oct 07
I know that PETA is not "perfect" but at least it's just one organization out of many who are bringing up the issues of animal cruelty
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@Stiletto (4579)
•
3 Oct 07
I see a lot of anti-PETA stuff around too and to me that means they're doing what they intend to do - getting in people's faces! Although I'm not a member of PETA I would describe myself as a supporter, I agree with their views on most (not all) issues and I like the way they put their points across. Their anti-fur campaigns in particular didn't pull any punches. Unfortunately a lot of people prefer to remain in a state of blissful ignorance about things like animal cruelty and groups like PETA spell it out for them so of course they will be unpopular with some.
I would far rather see an animal euthanised humanely rather than being subjected to the cruelty of experimentation. As for the administration of donations that's the same with any national or international campaigning group. PETA's percentage is higher than some and lower than others. Surely people realise that every organisation has administrative costs - I've been an active member of Greenpeace for years and of course a large part of the money I've given them has gone towards staffing costs etc. I have no problem with that if it enables them to carry on the work they are doing.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
3 Oct 07
I love Greenpeace too! :) A lot of people are against them too...Wasn't it one of their ships that was blown up due to people opposed to them? Then these people have the nerve to say Greenpeace or any organization like it is radical...that's a laugh
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@MakinMoney129 (231)
• United States
2 Dec 07
OK seriously, Vokey, you're insane. You LOVE Peta, and you LOVE Greenpeace, but you wouldn't mind a mink or sable coat because they're mean animals?????????????????????????? YOU WANNA KNOW WHY THEY'RE MEAN?!?!?! BECAUSE IDIOT PEOPLE SKIN THEM ALIVE TO MAKE UGLY FREAKIN' COATS!!!!!!!! CHRIST PEOPLE!!!!! Maybe you do need a big fur coat. It's hunting season. Maybe someone will mistake you for a bear.
@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
2 Oct 07
Don't be too angry with me. But if a unwanted pet will be put down anyway,and there is a test that a cat or dog could help with the health of other dogs ans cats or even humans, then I don't see why not use them for testing.I am a animal lover but I couldn't be with PETA. Like some, I pick and choose which animals I like and others I don't. I eat meat and will always eat meat. And if I were living in a real cold climate, I would wear fur. So I guess I am the enemy and I guess We are no longer friends? Right?
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
4 Oct 07
If I were to die myself , you could use me for tests if I could help find a cure for AIDS, Diabetes or even heart disease.Of course animals have feelings but if they are going to die anyway, why not try to help so others don't have to die too early. If that is cruel, I am proud to be cruel.
@vokey9472 (1486)
• United States
2 Oct 07
I hate to say it, but I too could never join up with PETA. I think they do a lot of good work, but I love my steaks to much to give them up. I love all animals, but I also love fur. I think some animals are just meant to be pets, others clothing, other food. What I don't get about some PETA members is that they dont eat meat, they dont wear fur, but they sure love their leather shoes and jackets.
I stand by what I said earlier about PETA doing some good work. I realize that sometimes we need to test things on animals for health issues, but I still find animal testing to be distasteful. But it is a hard choice. Sometimes the tests are for the betterment of our lives and sometimes they are just about finding out how well poisons work. It's sad.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
3 Oct 07
I'm not exactly a vegetarian either...cause of my diet issue, as I have a blood sugar problems I do eat meat, but not that much. I have no qualms about suede/leather, though I don't wear much either, but I am against wearing of fur..there are just too many alternatives
Of course we're still friends sararuthbeth...If you saw photos of animals who have been in labs though, you might think differently about animals used in labs...
Here's a quote from the website The Truth About Vivisection:
Every year, tens of millions of animals are dissected, infected, injected, gassed, burned and blinded in hidden laboratories on college campuses and research facilities throughout the U.S. Still more animals are used to test the safety of cosmetics, household cleansers and other consumer products. These innocent primates, dogs, cats, rabbits, rodents and other animals are used against their will as research subjects in experiments and procedures that would be considered sadistically cruel were they not conducted in the name of science.
Researchers claim that they must be allowed unfettered access to animals for experiments in order to find cures for human diseases, yet they refuse to address the serious ethical problems of torturing sentient creatures for research purposes. On top of that, over-reliance on animal experimentation has historically hindered scientific advancement and endangered human safety because results from animal research typically cannot be applied to humans. In fact, scientists could save more human lives by using humane non-animal research and testing methods that are more accurate and efficient.
The website is here:
http://www.vivisectioninfo.org/
And here's a website with photos--each "panel" opens up to photos of animals in labs..
Panel 2 is a real winner...it shows a dog that was purposely burned to test the effects of burns, and further down shows lovely pictures of cats for experiments..You need a strong stomach to see these
http://www.novivisezione.org/mostra/pan1_en.htm
http://www.novivisezione.org/mostra/pan2_en.htm
Still sure animals should be used for experiments?
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@Bunsdk (242)
• Denmark
3 Oct 07
I dont really care if they put down animals, Its kewl because its needed.
What I dont like is how PETA acts and forces THEIR opinions on others.
They dont want democracy, they want to dictate, and that makes me instantly biased against them.
I have that as a personal rule, if anybody tries to bully me, demand me, or otherwise force me into anything, I stand up against them. If they want my vote and interest they should respect all ppl and their choices, not only their own.
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
3 Oct 07
Well sometimes to get points across one does have to "dictate" a bit, since many people might not even be aware of what is really going on
@CoffeeAnyone (3210)
• Canada
2 Oct 07
My problem with peta is they are to radical, the highest percentage of the money goes to the admin and not the cause and most of all the organization does not support the right to life of human beings. I have written a few letters asking many questions on the organization always also asking how does the organization support the right to life for humans. They answer all questions except that question. They don't even acknowledge I ask the question. I will not support another organization that does not support the right to life. It doesn't seem right to be to fight for the right to life for a cat a dog, a whale or even a tree if you don't believe human life should have the same right!
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
3 Oct 07
Yes they are radical, but we do need organizations, not only like this, but so many others to at least bring to the attention of people what does go on..as for the right to life issue of humans, I'm not going to touch that one as I happen to be pro-choice...sorry about that, but that is another issue all together
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@morgandrake (2136)
• United States
2 Oct 07
Even a no-kill shelter (if you could find a true no-kill shelter) would have to occasionally put down an animal. Like for instance, when me and the wife were getting the feral colony that came with our house under control (the house was vacant for two years), we had to put the two males down. They both had infectious diseases, including feline leukemia. It was the best thing to do for them, and the other cats. It is a painful disease in its later stages and highly infectious. And this was not a healthy colony; the morality rate was 90% based on our observations. I felt bad about it, especially having to put down Cinnimon (who I worked at taming), but it just had to be done for both his sake and the others.
I don't condemn shelters for having to put down pets.
And the problem lies with people who believe that pets have the right to have as many babies as they want. It is the people who can actually afford getting their pets fixed and don't that makes the problem so bad. Poor people can and do find the means to get their pets fixed. It is the people who do not look for alternatives that end up tossing out unwanted pets.
That is what makes me angry. Not PETA. Rather those who allowed the animals to breed and choose to make the problem someone else's.
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@brendakaya (2332)
• United States
2 Oct 07
I agree with you on this. I don't like see animals put down, at all. But if the only 2 choices, is that, and experimentation, then I'd much rather see them put down. Experimentation is one of the most horrific things that can happen to them, and I don't agree with it, at all. PETA is not perfect, by far, but there is no doubt in my mind, that at least, the majority of those people make the right decisions, as to what needs to be done.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
3 Oct 07
I know PETA isn't perfect, but I'm glad there are such organizations that bring the truth out about animal experimentation and cruelty in general toward animals.
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@zabawaus (1730)
• United States
2 Oct 07
I always like the way you are so close following all these kind of situations. I am a member of Peta and I had some serious discussion with other people just because being a member of PETA. Some of them thinks it is an terrorist group which can harm people. I am laughing at it. oh by the way I don't name these creatures people who torture animals. So It doesn't count if I harm these creatures. I really hate people who tortures animals and I guess they deserve to be die . But It doesn't mean that I can kill these people. What ever I am mad again . Thanks for the discussion pyewacket and have a great day.
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
2 Oct 07
Well PETA is a rather radical group, but sometimes you do need radical measures to bring out the truth of what's going on in the world, no matter what the cause is. But I happen to know that people like Betty White, Rue Maclannahan and Pamela Anderson are PETA members--so I wonder if people think they are terrorists--LOL
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@bnappi (3)
• United States
3 Oct 07
People will always find some way to discredit an organization's goodwill. I think it's a matter of feeling guilty about not supporting the same cause; everyone will try to find a way to "knock the organization off it's pedestal," (so to speak) because they feel guilty about not supporting the same cause....
No one person or organization is perfect or has a spotless record, but if they are working toward bettering themselves and the environment around them, I think they should be given credit for that....
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
3 Oct 07
How true...many years ago, people were against Greenpeace, and some radicals actually blew up their ship Rainbow Warrior...and then people say PETA is radical??
@lilyruth (723)
• United States
17 Oct 07
Im with you I love PETA and it is a good organization and if it does take some money its because it has to to pay its workers not everyone is going to work for free they also hae to live and pay bills so know tis all organizations do this. But Peta gives almost all of its money to help and feed and shelter dogs and it holds the dogs for as long as it can trying to find homes it only puts the dogs down when it has to because there is so many. I like your articles because they bring awarness to all of this.
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
18 Nov 07
Thank you lilyruth, I'm glad you're a supporter of PETA :)
@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
7 Oct 07
I am surprised that People do not know this as here in the UK it is the same
Take for instance Gissi because he would not go to anyone no one would take him he was 2 weeks away from getting the lethal Injection when I decided to take him and this does happen everywhere so it is good that you have made People aware of this
Maybe if People would stop hurting, mistreating or throwing their Pets out none of this would happen
@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
8 Oct 07
Me to but we can't do anything at all I always one Day wanted to open a Shelter and take the Animals in and I would never have them put down and I would always do a complete background check before releasing an Animal to anyone but unless I win the Lottery now I can not do it
I would have to employ People to do the majority of the Work and that would cost a lot lol
But that is what I wanted to do
I have always had rescued Animals and I always will as they need a Home more then any other
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
8 Oct 07
All I can say is what a wonderful heart you have gabs, and save Gissi from his "fate"...it's sad to think that so many animals aren't so lucky though..it really breaks my heart to think of all the unwanted pets that are out there in the world
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@highflyingxangel (9225)
• United States
1 Dec 07
I think PETA, as a whole, started off as a good organization like every organization does. However, things just turn badly. And, with animal control and the situation with unwanted animals, it's only common knowledge that not every shelter can actually keep the animals they recieve. There is just no room for them because people do not want to spay/neuter their pets because it's just too difficult for them to understand. I'm really not against PETA, I'm against some of their more in your face type of views and I'm against some of the more etremeist PETA people. PETA, in it's natural state though, I do not have a problem with.
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@highflyingxangel (9225)
• United States
1 Dec 07
Yeah, I agree. Those are terrible places. We have a petstore not too far from where I live that sells dogs and cats in their store. I'm pretty sure those come from puppy/pet mills and it's sickening to see all of these people actually buying these animals and promoting those businesses.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
1 Dec 07
Of course the other cause of so many unwanted pets too are the puppy/kittens mills--would just love to see an end of those all together
@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
19 Nov 07
I do not like PETA, we have our own animal right organizations here in Canada, but PETA well is responsible for those people who damage fur coats worn by women and those horrible commercials that imply that animals have soul and have reasoning capacities, that there are almost human.. I do not know about animal experimentation. We have the SPCA and they release a lot of animals for adoption, only they require that the people get their animals spaded or fixed. The reason there are too many animals because people do not get their animals fixed. It is all right if you pay hundreds of dollars for a dog to allow it to have pure bred puppies or if you live on a farm and need cats to go after the mice, but why should someone in the city? Oh you could try this link. http://www.americanhumane.org/site/PageServer?pagename=pa_home
They are for the humane treatment of animals and humans.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
19 Nov 07
Well I hate to say it, but I'm very anti-fur myself, and the animals that are breed for the fur farms for fur coats are kept in horrific and terrible conditions to begin with. Also have to disagree about your statement about animals not having souls or reasoning capabilities...sorry, I most certainly think they do. The issue with PETA is not just about pets, that is cats and dogs only and over-breeding, but all animals and their welfare
@Schnorrawaggle (688)
• Austria
17 Oct 07
I think it's easy to pick on PETA, if one can find flaw with PETA then one is justified in doing nothing to help solve the problem of too many cats and dogs in the country. It gives people an excuse not to have to be responsible.
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
18 Nov 07
Yes there are too many irresponsible people out there, and don't get me going about the puppy/kitten mills!!
@Noeliasmom (34)
• United States
3 Oct 07
just curious..are you the type that believe in mandatory spay and nuetering?
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
3 Oct 07
The spaying and nuetering of pets would certainly be a significant factor in keeping the population of pets down and lessen the so many unwanted pets that are out there in the world in general. It's even a common practice amongst pet rescuers who deal with feral colonies of cats especially to trap them and have them fixed. People seem to think its "cute" for their pet to breed and have puppies or kittens but can get out of control only creating more unwanted pets that wind up in shelters and usually put down as there is no room...do you think that's right?
@Noeliasmom (34)
• United States
5 Oct 07
I have two male dogs that are not nuetered and thats our choice. But they are secure in the yard and when not in the yard with us at all times on a leash...one day a neighbor came yelling at us that one of our dogs got his female pregnant. I calmy said, well if you didnt want pups you should have had her spayed, and secure or on a leash so she isnt roaming for her safety. And told him that if he didnt want the pups and were sure that one of our dogs fathered the pups then I would take them from him and hand raise them...needless to say I had five new pups and I did have them spayed and nuetered when I found them all homes.
