I'm tired of these games too!

It also depends what you define as the US. The CIA (and British Intelligence) have a long history of terrorism with their sponsorship of regime change in the many countries it has influenced. It's probably the biggest 'legal' terrorist organisation in the world. In recent years it was apparently completely acceptable for the US to overthrow governments for their own political and monetry gain. Now suddenly terrorism is completely unnacceptable and we must go to war against anyone practicing it. Saddam did kill many of his opposers, but we in Britian and the US keep quite about all the devistation we have caused when we came up against governments and their militaries who we didn't want to rule their own countries.

Anniepa, we are dealing with beings for leaders who do not consider my life or yours of any importance. Firstly, I am deeply sadden by the fact that the US government has and continues to sacrifice the lives of people in an unnecessary war based on lies upon lies, and all just for economic profit, arms race, intelligence and world domination! And as already mentioned by 4ftfingers, "the CIA (and British Intelligence) have a long history of terrorism with their sponsorship of regime change in the many countries it has influenced. It's probably the biggest 'legal' terrorist organisation in the world." The US and British governments are the most terroristic and most dangerous groups to all humans in our world. These shamemless, piracy/plundering jingoes will do anything to attain their goal of plundering and world domination!

That is a load and you know it, they do torture, they will not admit it, but they do. Come on, you want to get information out of someone, what do you think people are willing to do? They will do whatever, and I mean, whatever it takes to get that information.

Hell, yes. I hate the fact that YES we do torture. Former President Jimmy Carter said we torture, and even before he said that I knew they did. The memos from inside the adminstration even admit they torture. "Torture, torture, in everything but the name." It's bullsh*t...forgive my language. But it is. The people who're being endangered most...are us, american people..'cause technically, someday that could be us in those very same secret prisons. Not to mention...none of the people being tortured? Have even been charged with a crime. Not a single one.

I am not overly concerned with whatever methods they use to extract information from the enemy, anniepa, since it is a well-known fact that when our soldiers are captured they are routinely treated inhumanely. I am not a fan of war-in fact I hate it, but I do believe that desperate times call for desperate measures. I would not expect our government to treat these criminals in a humane manner when they do not show us the same courtesy. I guess the saying, "All's fair in love and war," would apply in this instance.

I don't know whether they work. Likely they might for some. But these techniques are disallowed by law enforcement because they often will elicit false confessions or misinformation. But surely there's a moral issue? That our enemies use similar or worse techniques seems a flimsy argument. We need to try to the moral high road, otherwise we (this administration) are just as evil as they are. Clearly the administration knows it's in the wrong or at least acting in a manner that is not supported by decent Americans, hence the cover up. These games are all part of hood-winking the people, and deterring democracy in this country.

I beleivethe memo that Senator Rockefeller is referring is an old memo that gave one person interterpation of what the US laws considered legal and illegal forms of intergration and it was published in the New York Times. The Geneva Convention does not define Torture but it does clearly state who is covered and who is not covered by the Gevena Convention (GVIII). POW are covered by the GVIII if they are in a clearly marked uniform similar to all others in the Army. They have insignas and othermarkings that show the country they are from. If not they have no portections under the GVIII or other international treaties. President Bush followed the precident established by President FD Rosevelt when he detained enemy combantants including American Citizens fighting for Germany. He even excuted 6 of them by using a secret military court he established. The Democratics have done everything they can to lose the war and put our trops in harms way. They have the power to end the war tomorrow if they want. They can cut off the funds and it is over. They can't get the votes so the want it to look like President Bush lost the war. The intergration methods that are being used are the same ones that have been used in the past by the US and other countries. What Congress is trying to do is change the rules in the middle of the game. The detainees are being held according to the GVIII and can be hled legally until the end of hostilities according the GVIII. Now the Democcratics want to give Constitutional Rights to the detainees that are not covered and have no right to have them. Congress is overstepping their authority and many would say are violating the Constitutional Powers they were granted by the founding fathers. They passes the Wars powers Act and they can cut off funds any time they want, they can not set deadlines, or establishe troop levels or anything else. Those powers are given to the Commander in Chief - President Bush. Congress needs to read the consititution.

I am for whatever methods work to get the necessary information. I am tired of the games that are being played by the democrats in their undying effort to micromanage this war. The democrats caused us to lose in Vietnam when we had that won, and now they are trying the same thing again. I guess some people just never learn. As I recall, Congress is way late with their budget, so when are they going to start doing the job they were elected to do and stop trying to interfere in the job Bush was elected to do? Or does anyone even care about that at all?

Seeing Americans blown up lessens my worry about any so called torture. I'm not saying it is right, but there is no sympathy from me.

I'm tired to these games, to goverment and exactly to bush. I don't really get the point of all this thing. Still, I'm so tider to hear these things. So i agree with Jay Rockefeller and you, it's not usefully and we're all tired. Umm. Yea, i had nothin else to say, that's the point that you already said.

this has gone on for too long, troops should pull back and go home completly and leave the iraqis to do what they want, bush should be more focused on developing his continent as apposed to developing others. though i think that the torture is necicary as they hold info which could cost lives