Global Warming
By Pose123
@Pose123 (21635)
Canada
October 8, 2007 8:43pm CST
Global warming is very real, and far more dangerous that many of our leaders are willing to admit. The ice caps are melting, and the pace is picking up every year. What is going to happen to the wild life which now live in the polar regions? What will it do to our oceans? Those who refuse to see it as a problem are hiding their head in the sand. We need leaders who are not afraid to speak the truth. How much will it cost to fix the problem? This is what many people are asking, and vote seeking politicians are afraid to answer. I feel certain that it is something we can't afford to ignore for much longer. Blessings.
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18 responses
@smacksman (6053)
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9 Oct 07
Global warming is happening but it has nothing to do with humans and everything to do with the activity of the sun.
We humans are insignificant - a mere pimple on the surface. It is ridiculous to think that we can influence anything as massive as the earth and the atmosphere.
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@theprogamer (10534)
• United States
11 Oct 07
I've responded to several other responses on this thread. Thank you for at least pointing out a different side of this situation. You have a real point which many want to ignore or not consider (the sun) and then there are cycles from the past, not just 30, 40 or 100 years depending on the study. Tons of variables too, I'm not gonna repost it all though.
Smacksman, we are also to the point where some politicians (and naturally people) are blaming CO2 and global warming... for earthquakes and volcanic activity... -_-
I just wish people would research more on it by themselves, there's a lot to go over. Its much better than using a single movie or a single source for all information.
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@Stiletto (4579)
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9 Oct 07
I agree we can't afford to ignore it and I think sensible people are waking up to that fact now although there are still people who dismiss the idea of global warming as scaremongering. I guess it's convenient for them to do so because it's an excuse to not do anything to change their own behaviour.
World leaders are the people that can really make a difference but we can, and should, play our own part by making sure we use resources responsibly and also, of course, by lobbying our leaders to take action. Of course it means tough decisions and unpopular choices - things like people actually getting off their butts and out of their cars. It's not going to be painless. Unfortunately most leaders lack the backbone to push through radical change and too many people lack the common sense and social conscience to change their actions as consumers.
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@Stiletto (4579)
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11 Oct 07
I'm cynical about almost everything that comes out of a politicians mouth and of course there is a "bandwagon" aspect to this as well as far as some celebrities are concerned. However, I think this issue should transcend politics. It's too important to leave it up to politicians to deal with. I also think that because other countries aren't playing by the rules it doesn't mean that the rest of us should stop trying - or in some cases start trying!
@theprogamer (10534)
• United States
10 Oct 07
Some politicians and celebs are indeed crying this out as a fear tactic, a powermonger move or an attention op. There should be more study and improvements across the board in the fields of power, recycling, waste management, and the like. Problem is, some of the flapping heads don't walk the way they talk and others who had a chance to increase spending and research toward cleaner alternatives said "nay" literally. But of course, that doesn't stop them from coming out and contradicting themselves after the vote. -_-
Worldwide, efforts are decent and I've seen plenty of fascinating breakthroughs, technologies (or at least more ingenious ways of applying existing technology), every bit to try and get to a more efficient way of doing things. Problem is, some countries and industries are cheating the system.
http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSL137011320070813
And people wonder why I'm so cynical and jaded in topics like this. Its like people cheat, just to cheat, and the way they do it is so disgusting (politicians, businesses and even some countries, all the same in my view).
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@elean6785 (96)
• Philippines
9 Oct 07
I have watched the documentary video "An Inconvenient truth" (which offers a passionate and inspirational look at one's man's fervent crusade to halt global warming's deadly progress in its tracks by exploding the myth and misconceptions that surrounds it) by Al gore. Maybe if Al Gore won as president he would definitely do some work regarding this topic/issue.
Try watching it or look for their official site. The video tells it all, it's complete. He has been to many countries doing talks or seminars about this issue and been talking to high ranking officials regarding this topic but only few listens.
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@BlueStarMom1 (931)
• United States
9 Oct 07
I also watched "An Inconvenient Truth" and was so moved. I think everyone should watch it. It is so sad but also very scarry that things have deteriorated so badly just in our life time. I myself and taking baby steps. I no longer by drinks in plastic bottles. I now by cans and take them to a recycling center. You would not believe how much less trash we set out each week for the trash collector. We have switched some of our light bulbs for the new floresant ones. And we do try to watch what time (better in evenings) that we fill the car with gas and mow. I know that these are small things but if everyone would do a few small things I think it would make a hugh difference. We have to start somewhere.
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@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
9 Oct 07
Hi elean, Thank you for responding. I have not seen the video, but am familiar with Mr. Gore's work. I feel he is one of the few politicans who is not afraid to speak out. He has gained worldwide praise for his work. Public pressure is the only way to get the attention of most world leaders. Blessings.
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@poohgal (6845)
• Singapore
9 Oct 07
This is so true. We humans are mainly responsible for Global Warming. We should try to do our part by trying to reduce the emission of carbon dioxide. Things we can do include, turning off appliances when not in use, use energy saving appliances and etc. Let's do our little parts to help save our Mother Earth. A little from each of us goes a very long way.
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@theprogamer (10534)
• United States
10 Oct 07
Humans are responsible for increases emissions of carbon dioxide, sulfur dioxides, nitric oxides, and other pollutants. However, other variables like orbit, solar intensity (sun cycles) contribute to climate change as well.
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@kwenge (2487)
• Kenya
9 Oct 07
I never used to get serious about this global warming thing until recently when earthquakes struck our country. Some politicians said that that was because of global warming. Now, what are we supposed to do to control this global warming? I heard long time ago the the O-ZONE layer is getting thin, what is this all about? is o-zone the same as global warming?
@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
9 Oct 07
Hi kwenge, Goggle 'global warming facts' and you will get information, on many things that the average person can do, to slow the process. As for the o-zone layer, the hole was first discovered around 1976. Almost 10 years past before it was realized how fast it was being depleted, that's when the news media brought it to the attention of most people. The measures taken to slow the global warming process will also help restore the o-zone layer. Thank you for responding. Blessings.
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@theprogamer (10534)
• United States
10 Oct 07
Recent studies showed that the Antarctic is actually regaining its ice and getting cooler. The only point that isn't is the peninsula that extends toward Chile.
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-02/osu-atd021207.php
http://icecap.us/images/uploads/LINEAR_THING.pdf
As for the ozone layer, yes indeed CFCs and air pollutants like NO(Nitric Oxide) and others eat away at the layer due to chemical reaction between the compounds and the ozone in the air. It produces a different nitrogen and oxygen compound and thus a depletion in ozone occurs. With less ozone, UV light isn't screened out properly; both radiation and heat increase.
Plus Kwenge, I'm concerned politicians are saying earthquakes are because of global warming. If you or anyone watching knows their Geology/Earth Science then you'd know how their statement isn't quite right. Earthquakes are caused by tectonic plate shifts underground or under the ocean. They move due to gravitation, downward forces in the ocean, and upper mantle shifts. The plates cannot be influenced by slight increases in temperature or atmospheric CO2 (plus the plates are enormous land masses, how in the world is 1-2 degrees C or a few tons of CO2 going to influence that!? its foolish).
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@kwenge (2487)
• Kenya
11 Oct 07
Thanks guys for shading light to my question, now I think am informed more about global warming. Most politicians just talk anything to please the common citizen without even explaining what they are talking about. We should do our best to protect ourselves from this natural calamities. It is all in our hands.
@DarkCJ (26)
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10 Oct 07
I beleive we should all try and help solve this one way or another. However alot of people do not understand how serious this problem is untill it affects them individualy. However i think the main problem is going to be the financial side of it. Its going to cost billions to sort this out and to be honest who is going to make the first move. I have talked to my friends about global warming before and their response has usualy been "ah well nothing major is going to happen to me in my lifetime. Why worry ?" They obviously havent thought about their kids in years to come.
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@rosie_123 (6113)
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9 Oct 07
I think here in Europe, Global Warming is a situation that is taken very seriously, and we are very involved with things to make our "carbon footprint" smaller - recycling, energy saving light bulbs, no plastic bags etc. However, no matter how hard we and our politicians try, there will be no real success until the larger industrialised nations (namely the USA) start waking up to the fact that this is really happening and try and do something about it. Also India and China have really bad chemical and industrial practices in their factories etc, which damage the ozone layer and the environment in a terrible way. Unfortunately, many people stick thrir heads in the sand, say "it can't happen to me", and are also driven by money, and most people know that acting in a "greener way" is often more expensive. Hopefully, in time, people will catch up with Europe in this regard, but what damage is done in the measntime, and whether it can ever be revoked, I truly do not know.
@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
9 Oct 07
Hi rosie, Thank you for your comments. I did know that Europe was taking global warming much more serious then we are in North America, and what you say is correct. Our present government, here in Canada, has been highly criticized for it's policy on this. My hope is that a new government will take a different approach. Blessings.
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@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
11 Oct 07
Global Warming is occurring because the earth is till coming out of the last Ice Age, and will continue to warm until it peaks and then begins to cool.
This warming and cooling cycle is natural to the earth and occurs on a fairly regular basis.
Man-made Global Warming is nothing more than a cheap hoax in an attempt to get research funding, among other reasons.
Right now Mars is also experiencing Global Warming, so the idea that man is responsible is ludicrous.
Gore's little science fiction show has been thoroughly picked apart by many scientists, and the information and factoids used in that movie were cherry picked with no regard to accuracy or context in order to make the point that Gore wanted to make.
In 2005 the temperature actually dropped by 3 degrees, which puts a little kink in the line that the earth's temperature is steadily rising.
A lot of scientists that originally were in on that IPCC consensus are now suing to have their names removed, because they no longer want to be associated with it.
Man does not affect Global Warming, the only thing man affects is how polluted the environment gets, and Global Warming is not controlled by the environment... the environment is controlled by Global Warming and Cooling.
Those who say that man is controlling Global Warming actually have it backwards.
Cutting down on pollution and protecting the environment is great, but has very little to do with Global Warming.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
9 Oct 07
Do you believe that people cause global warming or do you believe that it is natural, and that is the result of God's intervention? I gather you believe the former and the choice is too horrific and if too many people believe it, they will make sure that people in the Northern climates turn down their thermostats to 10 degrees at night even when it is 40 below outside.
However, if one believes that this is natural, steps can be taken that will not harm people or lower their standard of living. I saw one example on our travels.
When we were in Prince Edward Island they were experimenting with Windmills, and we also saw some in the States.
You have to consider if you make choices such as lowering the thermostat in winter, raising the price of food, or making it better for people in the Sahara desert while making people in Canada and the northern United States pay more for fuel, whether you are being discrimatory and favoring some nations over another. If what you do in response hurts some, it is not worth it and we should search for alternative energy that does not cause people financial pain.
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@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
9 Oct 07
Hi suspenseful, Thank you for responding. In the natural order of things, changes come very slowly. What we are experiencing now is caused by people. There is so much money in oil and gas, and the big oil companies have so much money and power that it is difficult to fight them. Windmills are one alternative as a source of power. More could be done with cars if we didn't have to fight those big companies. Lowering the thermostats in winter, is not something that people in cold climates should have to consider. Alternative energy is the way to go. Blessings.
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
9 Oct 07
I don't think that anything will be done until it is too late.Some people don't believe there is a problem or that there are more important issues.They just don't get. Or they do get it and think there isn't anything they can do.
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
9 Oct 07
Amen. When the people change, the politicians will follow.
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@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
9 Oct 07
Hi sarahruthbeth, Thank you for your response. We must try to convince those who don't think that there is a problem. There are many small things that we can do, and if we have enough people involved, we can make a difference. Politicians too, will act if there is enough pressure put on them.
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@theprogamer (10534)
• United States
10 Oct 07
Or the politicians can actually be leaders from time to time. Nothing wrong with it as long as it truly is beneficial and worth it in the long run. Currently politicians just stand there flapping their heads, promising one thing, preaching another thing and doing something completely different. When given the chance to institute things like newer energies, barely any effort is made or the politicians cry NIMBY (it happened with both wind and hydropower projects). Then of course, when the nothings get another chance to speak, they say we need more efficient power, less oil, blah blah blah. -_- Sigh...
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@jillhill (37354)
• United States
14 Oct 07
It's not just the leaders that have a responsibility. It all begins with us. And I know so many don't recycle or even make any attempt to save our resources. Continued manufacturing etc is part of the cause. We live in a world where so many want everything new.....so you have to make it and manufacturing makes the world go around. We all need to be conscience of what we do everyday. Starting today....
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@jlawrence (54)
• Philippines
10 Oct 07
For me we are the cause of these what we called global warming we human. Because we are cutting trees in our forest, throwing garbage any where and especially throwing garbage a plastic anywhere we did not know yet that plastic will decomposed after 50 years. if we throw plastic anywhere maybe I can imagine right now what will be our future. In order for us to be aware and to avoid global warming we should have to think of the best solution on how to save our mother earth in global warming and we as a hu8man being we should also do our responsibilities as a human. I dont afriad to express my feeling about this because it is for our own good and for the sake of our mother earth.
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@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
11 Oct 07
Hi jlawrence, Thank you for your comments. It is very true that we all have to do our part for the earth and all life. Planting trees, to replace those that we cut, is one good example, to recycle is another. Do what you can however small, and encourage others to do the same. Blessings.
@fineartist (1217)
• United States
9 Oct 07
This is an extremely sad situation, very unfortunately.
Alot of the damage that has been done is irreversible.
But, despite this, I think that we as individuals should focus on what we can do in our lives to make a difference (for the future).
I don't have much hope for what politicians and those who hold governmental positions of power will do to save the planet.
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@1strider (64)
• Philippines
9 Oct 07
The truth has always been told by scientists for several years now and it is just muddled with politics. For the skeptics out there pls. watch the Inconvenient Truth for it will show on simplified terms what will happen if man refused to do something about it. There have been movements but we all should be a part for change to be significant.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
9 Oct 07
I couldn't agree more but unfortunately there are too many people who disagree and who think it's just a natural cycle the earth is going through and that there's nothing we can or should do about it. There was an entire discussion here a few days ago devoted to bashing Al Gore, calling him a phoney and saying basically that his movie was pure fiction and not at all true. I'm not scientist, in fact it was my least favorite subject in school so I wasn't that good in it...lol...but when thousands of people much more educated in the subject than I am say we're in serious trouble but it may not be too late, by God I'm going to pay attention and try to do whatever little part I can do. There was a segment on 60 Minutes awhile back where, among other things, geologists were able to measure deep enough into the glaciers to tell that there is a direct connection between the accelleration of global warming and the industrial age. Our own leaders here in the U.S have resisted making any changes at all even though we're the biggest contributor to the problem. Hopefully everyone, including all our politicians will wake up before it's too late! The polar bears are already dying in frightening numbers and their weight is decreasing by a large percentage. The penguin population is also shrinking. I hope enough people are finally starting to take this seriously!
Annie
@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
11 Oct 07
Hi annie, Thank you for responding. We must all do our part, however small that may be. Sometimes it's all that we can do. I guess we do have to be careful, and not take everything that is said at face value, but I would certainly err on the side of caution. Politicians everywhere are concerned with getting re-elected, that's not saying that they are all dishonest, but they do want to keep people happy. Most are not going to rock the boat, especially if it means raising taxes. Let's get all the facts that we can, make sure that it's correct, then we will be better able to lobby government. Blessings.
@faith210 (11224)
• Philippines
10 Oct 07
Hi Pose123! I do agree with you completely. Global warming is far more dangerous than we could ever really fathom. I do believe that it has been affecting us treendously with all the climate changes we are all experiencng worldwide especially in our country which has been seriously affected by drought and severe typhoons and not mentioning volcanic eruptions which I hope will not occur once again. I just hope that our leaders will be more concern and not be concern of how much kickbacks they could pocket for themselves. Take care and have a ncie day.
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@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
11 Oct 07
Hi faith, Thank you for responding. I don't know the affects, if any, of global warming on typhoons and volcanic eruptions, you may know more about this then I do. I do believe, however, that we must do everything we can to reduce all the affects of global warming. Blessings.
@theprogamer (10534)
• United States
11 Oct 07
I've run out of things to say Pose (well I thought of more after this sentence), but look at the thread, can you blame me.
I say climate changes are occuring but too much credit is being given to mankind. Look at the other factors that influence climate on Earth. Solar energy, sunspot variation, oceanic trends/circulation, atmospheric conditions, the orbit of the planet around the sun. Then look at what the planet has been through and do not just use a 20, 30, 40 or 100 year timeframe. The planet has gone through extreme heating cycles with little atmosphere (@4 billion years ago, in fact too hot to have an atmosphere), and very different climates (and again, a climate situation which would be foreign from our perspective and unable to sustain current life on Earth). And after the major climate and atmospheric changes, there were moderate warming and cooling cycles causing growth in warming and decline (droughts, famine, plagues) in cooling times.
I just want more debate and research on the subject and I am not one to respond to threats especially from doubletalkers or people who actually stand to profit from the situation.
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@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
11 Oct 07
Hi progamer, I have read, with interest, all of your comments and I say a very sincere thank you. It was worth starting the discussion to get all that information. I believe you are very sincere in wanting more debate and research, and I agree. I do have a real concern here, perhaps not for myself as much as my children and grandchildren. I hope that everyone will continue to do whatever they can to protect the earth and all life. While I hope there is no one profiting from fear mongering, I know that is a possibility. Life on this planet is however, far too important, to treat the matter lightly. Blessings.