International (CONFUSING) Relations !
@redyellowblackdog (10629)
United States
October 25, 2007 12:53pm CST
International politics is completely about deceit and achieving ones ends thru cunning, force, co-operation, or anything else that might work. Here's an article discussing the role of Russia and the Iran nuclear weapons situation.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZTM4OWJmYWRiZThmMmM4MDZlZDNlMTRjZWEyNDVhMTE=
If this article is even close to right, Russia is pretty darn clever. They are trying to achieve multiple goals simutanously while having others do all the work for them.
Think that they'll pull it off? Is the author wrong? Have a different idea?
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@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
26 Oct 07
This article does seem to explain a great many things about what has been going on and Russia's relationship with Iran.
This would also explain Russia's opposition to that anti-missile system Bush has been trying to get approved.
Without that we or Israel would have to directly respond to any attack launched from Iran, and by so doing we would take care of Russia's problem as well.
I think this article was well thought out, and if not accurate, does raise some interesting and likely possibilities.
If it is not completely accurate, I do believe there is a lot of truth in it.
As to whether ore not they will pull it off, a lot of that depends on what Iran does.
Israel will jump quicker than the US will, so Iran attacking them would be a mistake, as would making too much progress on their nuclear project would be as well.
The US will take longer to come to such as decision, and I don't expect anything to happen with Iran under Bush, unless something drastic and unforeseen occurs.
If this article is correct, the Russians also run the risk of outsmarting themselves once again.
Time will tell of course, so we will just have to wait and see what the future holds.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
26 Oct 07
Yes, I think the author has a good grasp of what is going on, too. I posted it to help people understand with a current example of how in international politics all is not what it seems.
It might help some people to think of the magician's tactic of using misdirection to fool people from watching what he is really doing. Russian is doing exactly that.
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@Aussies2007 (5336)
• Australia
26 Oct 07
I think that the author is making it up to stir the pot. The Russians are wishing that life was that simple. laugh.
It is no secret that the Russians have supplied arms to Iran for... I cannot recall how many years... But we are talking decades.
Don't under estimate the Russian army. It can be put back together very quickly. All it needs is a military man for president.
International politics is run like any other business. It is all about trade. "If you buy this from us... we will buy this from you". Countries needs to trade their goods in order to make money and run their economy.
And like in every business... everything goes... including the kitchen sink.
Russia cannot afford to give some high tech weapons to Iran without getting at war with the US... and Russia needs the US more that it needs Iran. It is that simple. Furthermore... Russia cannot go to war with the US without going to war with Europe. Russia simply cannot afford to upset the West over Iran. But for old time sake... it tries to remain loyal to Iran. That is what friends are meant to do.
But if crunch time comes around and we declare war to Iran... don't expect Russia to come to the rescue of Iran. I would like to think that Russia is not as mad as Saddam Hussein and whatever his name in Iran. Saddam Hussein taking on the US (twice) as the mother of all wars... was the joke of the century. And Iran does not seem any smarter.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
26 Oct 07
"Don't under estimate the Russian army. It can be put back together very quickly. All it needs is a military man for president."
If only this was true. Russia is trying hard to project this image of them being on the edge of a return to military greatness, but it is false.
The fact of the matter is that it takes one heck of an economy to support a military. Russia is a long ways from having that economy.
Current events in the news like Russia resuming their strategic nuclear bomber patrols are propaganda stunts. They can not afford to maintain them. The planes drink fuel, are obsolete, and cost far too much to maintain. Today, such aircraft are very easy to shoot down, too.
When the Russian army starts paying their soldiers on time and in full along with making sure they all get fed as they are suppossed to, then I'll think they might be making a come back.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
27 Oct 07
What you say about soldiers not needing to be paid when their country is being invaded is, of course, true.
Thanks, for the input.
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@Aussies2007 (5336)
• Australia
27 Oct 07
Well... you know... you are talking about politics.
When the chips are down... and your country is under attack... you don't worry if you are going to get paid or not.
While there is some truth that America over-estimated Russia's capabilities in the 70's... the same mistake could be made today by under estimating their capabilities.
They are not exactly stupid people. They were the first in space... and America stole a lot of their scientists.
A starving soldier believing in his country is far more ferocious than a well fed one... whose only concern is to get news from his family in America.
Did you see the movie "Ennemy at the gates"? That is what war is supposed to be like. Not that pu.sy footing in Iraq.
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@estherlou (5015)
• United States
20 Nov 07
A very interesting read. Not only does it sound plausible, but quite probable. I think the first course most politicians take is Cunning and Deceit and Manipulation 101. The easiest way to accomplish something is to use America's weakness in wanting to protect others and help out others in need against them by spreading our resources out too thin and into too many places, which I think, is where we are right now. That makes us vulnerable in some ways. No matter how many goals are achieved by the machinations in the article, Russia will probably come out ahead. Very interesting.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
20 Nov 07
Would you believe that often when I point out this is how politicians think and act I am accused of being either paranoid or projecting my own evil ways upon the politicians?
I agree the linked article probably is a correct analysis.
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@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
25 Jan 08
It is a very interesting article, proving that
nobody can look at the way things seem on the
surface and understand international
implications.While it may seem the Bush adm.
has given the cold shoulder the US allies,
etc., nobody knows the things going on behind
the scenes internationally. Walking on eggshells
to uphold international alliances is not going
to do the USA any good if the "allies" turn
around and bite the hand that feeds them.
@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
26 Jan 08
I certainly agree we the public do not receive accurate information from the media as to world events. I think in most cases the media really does not know what is going on.
@anand_cs (43)
• India
26 Oct 07
I am sorry i dont think there is any truth in this article. coming to international politics containing deceit, force and anything else that might work, who else better knows it than the americans.You guys attacked Iraq saying they have weapons of mass destruction,did you find even a single WMD? it was for oil all along.
now you say Iran is building nuclear weapons and supplying to Al-Qaeda. how does the world believe you?and how do we believe its not for oil again?
You may say Iraq is now free and people were suffering under the rule of Saddam hussein.What are people of Iraq doing now?are they partying?they are suffering even more.There is voilence everyday now.
I am telling all this because before pointing a finger at Russia you look at yourself.
@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
26 Oct 07
Certainly, there are similarities between Russia and the USA. All major world powers are very deceitful as to their true intentions. About this you are correct.
Yes, Iraq is now free. The violence stems from those who "hate" that Iraq is free enough that they will commit violence to put themselves into power. These people are violent thugs and murderers who want to be dictators. These people are being defeated. Now, that Iraqi's have had some time with freedom they want to keep it. Iraqi's are turning on the people keeping the war going. That's the insurgents, not the American's.
Saddam had a major disinformation campaign to fool the western intelligence agencies into believing he had WMD. He succeeded. Where he failed is that he thought he would not be attacked for having WMD's. Saddam thought the west would not attack him out of fear if he had WMD's. He was wrong. He paid the price.
The USA attacked Iraq to steal their oil? Please, the USA has not stolen any oil. Do you not understand that the USA BUYS oil, not steals it? Do you not understand that if the western countries were not buying oil from the middle east those countries would be extremely poor? The USA and the west buying oil is the only thing that makes anybody in the middle east rich.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
26 Oct 07
As to the author stirring the pot, yes, he is doing that. He could be wrong about some of it. I view what he is saying as intelligent guessing and speculation. I think it is believable, but truely we can not judge how accurate it really is. So, I concede you could be completely correct.
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