Golden Compass
By carpenter5
@carpenter5 (6782)
United States
November 2, 2007 8:50am CST
I am hearing many mixed messages about this movie.
Even from the media. I've heard it's just a children's movie, and something to take the family to.
Then I began to hear that the author is an athiest and in his books, the children kill God?
What kind of message does that send to our kids?
Someone help me out on this. I don't want to bash something without having all the facts.
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16 responses
@houndsgood (774)
• United States
2 Nov 07
One of the things I heard is it makes some religious leaders (fictional characters that happen to be clergy) out to be evil so it alludes to being anti-Catholic (though the church has a made up name in the book), not necessarily "atheist". However, some folks and groups say that the movie waters down what really happens in the book. The author states that its about corrupt people, not necessarily about faith.
It could be another book where people are making a big deal on purpose to create publicity and just to get upset about something. But I am not really sure at this point exactly what it will turn out to be.
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@owatagoosiam (751)
• United States
8 Nov 07
Religious leaders also decried Harry Potter because of the 'magic.' They did not seem to have a problem with Star Wars and 'the force' which is.. well, essentially magic, too.
Some people like to argue and raise a big fuss over nothing at all. I will have to make a point of seeing the movie just because I dislike the retoric and noise coming from over zealous religious people.
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@carpenter5 (6782)
• United States
8 Nov 07
Unfortunately, the overzealous religious people get the bad publicity and those of us who quietly live out our faith are lumped together with them. That is kind of sad. Not all of us who are Christians have the same non-tolerant views of those that scream out in the name of religion.
I personally look at each book and each movie and base it on the merits and values of what I want to instill in my children, rather than allowing someone else to tell me what I should think or say.
@prudencemadness (64)
• Philippines
1 Dec 07
It's funny that most of the people who're against the showing of the movie, The Golden Compass, are those who haven't read a page of the book.
What I'm really irked about is not the protests, because they're entitled to it, but rather the clamor for banning the movie. Did those people really think that just because it is offending to them, something should be altogether banned? The right to opinion applies both ways, have they forgotten?
@revdauphinee (5703)
• United States
2 Nov 07
i heard of it on the news and they did not recomend it in fact the catholic league has come out vehemently against it so I personaly wont be going to see it !
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@revdauphinee (5703)
• United States
8 Nov 07
why?if i even suspect it is contrary to my beliefs why give them my money to go see it???
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@carpenter5 (6782)
• United States
8 Nov 07
Whether or not I see it will depend on the research that I do. I didn't see the Harry Potter movies or read the books, because of personal choice, not because of the opinions of someone else....I also didn't see the Lord of the Rings movies, and haven't watched a Star Wars movie in more than 20 years.
@owatagoosiam (751)
• United States
8 Nov 07
That's a shame. I believe one should think for themselves. That means, you should see the movie and see if the Catholic League and you are in agreement.
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@Shaun72 (15959)
• Palatka, Florida
2 Nov 07
I have heard of this movie but reading that he is an athiest. I don't want to see it and I also don't want my niece or nephew to see it. My niece is learning about God and Jesus in her pre-k at her school. So this would confuse her. This sounds really scary to me. Thanks for the update.
@houndsgood (774)
• United States
3 Nov 07
I don't think this movie is targetted at your niece. Pre-K is really too young to see anything that is more than a "G" rating. And also, if a child has a good foundation, they can look at something and know in their heart what makes sense and what is crap. So hopefully your brother/sister or in-laws don't allow their children to watch movies that are too complex for their age aprorpriate discernment
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@owatagoosiam (751)
• United States
8 Nov 07
See, that's like getting an email warning you about some strange computer virus that's going to play 'yankee doodle dandy' as it reformats your hard drive and installs the Linux operating system.
It would be far better to go see the movie yourself and see if it is what the people suggest or not. If you see the movie with an open mind and find it anti-God, then you can support your idea of moral-rightness by telling your friends that you saw it and agree.
On the other hand, if you see the movie and find the opponents to it are over-reacting, then you can correctly inform your friends. It might be a good movie. It might be a movie children in your life might enjoy.
Far better to judge for yourself than to blindly assume what other people have told you is true.
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@theproperator (2429)
• United States
3 Nov 07
I haven't read or really even heard anything about this movie or book, but I find it very interesting, and a little disheartening, that of everyone who responded so far, not one person wrote that they would actually attempt to read the book or see the movie (before letting their children see/read it) and evaluating it for themselves. I think it is sad when people just blindly follow other peoples opinions without investigating for themselves.
Of course, I'm also one of those heathens who think that Harry Potter is fine for kids to read and isn't trying to convert them to the Devil and the "Dark Arts", too, so take what I say with a grain of salt...
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@theproperator (2429)
• United States
9 Nov 07
Absolutely it depends on the child. That's why I think parents should check out the books and movies before giving them to their children. Some kids are mature enough at a certain age for some material, but that doesn't mean it is appropriate for every child that age.
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@carpenter5 (6782)
• United States
26 Nov 07
That is a fact. I never "sent" my kids to the movies unless I was certain that they were going to something that was appropriate. If they were going with friends, I would question the parents thoroughly about what they were taking my children to see. I once made mine stay home because I didn't think what they were going to see was appropriate for their age
@carpenter5 (6782)
• United States
8 Nov 07
I think it depends on the child! I read the Harry Potter books, and decided it wasn't something that my, then young children, needed to read or see when the movies came out. I have read the first book. i picked it up from the library. I got two chapters in, closed and decided it wasn't for me. But that is ME. I can't decide that for the next person.
@carolscash (9492)
• United States
2 Nov 07
I have heard a lot about this movie and I haven't heard anything good about it. I do believe the author is an atheist and I have been told that the children in the book kill God. I also heard that the movie ends with Adam and Eve (being protrayed by children) killing God.
I don't want to see it or do I want my kids to see it and I have thought about protesting it outside of the theatres. I don't believe that our children should be exposed to this kind of stuff. They are too impressionable and we need to teach them morals and high standards.
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@owatagoosiam (751)
• United States
8 Nov 07
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Compass
Wikipedia has an article on the Golden_compass and no mention is made of killing God. If there is some problem that appears with the children killing God in later books, I have not seen that verified credibly.
Certainly, the killing of OGd isn't a part of this movie and should not be a reason not to see it.
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@carpenter5 (6782)
• United States
8 Nov 07
I have said more than once that wikipedia is probably the least credible source on the internet. Because if you don't like what it says, you can edit it! How reliable can that be?
I haven't seen the third book. The first one was enough thank you....I do wonder about the killing God thing, because according to Pullman's website, he doesn't believe in God. How could you kill something you don't believe in?
@ersmommy1 (12588)
• United States
8 Nov 07
I am going to see the movie before making any judgement. To be honest, I no nothing of the author or the book, but will probably read it just to see. If you want to take you children to see it, you could do what my mother used to do. Preview the movie before your children do. That way you'll know if you want to have them see it. But the best way to judge for yourself is to see the movie. I'd like to point out, Nicole Kidman is Catholic. I highly doubt she'd be in a movie about the killing of god
@carpenter5 (6782)
• United States
8 Nov 07
The first book does not talk of killing God. The movie is based on the first book. I would have to look at the third one, but I made the statement earlier that Philip PUllman is a self-proclaimed athiest. How do you kill something that in your mind doesn't exist?
While I won't be seeing the movie, because of how I felt about the book, I am doing it because of personal choice, not because of someone else's views. Just like Harry Potter, the Lord of the Rings and the Nightmare on Elm Street Movies. Those decisions were mine because of my ideas of what I like and dislike.
@paul8675 (750)
• Australia
5 Dec 07
My understanding is that this atheist author is responding to the refreshing movie, "the Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe" brought out last year which exemplifies the great news of the gospel. The books and the movie are therefore deliberately designed to be evil, leading our precious children away from the truth of the gospel.
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@carpenter5 (6782)
• United States
3 Jan 08
And that's where I differ from most people. I hear them say...oh we can't take our kids to see Harry Potter because there is magic in it, or a dragon or some other made-up character, but they don't have a problem with Aladdin or Cinderella. (Hello...magic is magic whether it's beans that grow into the sky or a ring that can make a man crazy.)
I take each individual movie and say "Is this something that I would enjoy seeing?"
@suscan (1955)
• United States
2 Nov 07
I have a hear a lot bad about it. I posted on my blog the information I had gotten. It seems to be a scary book. I am not usually a censorship kind of person, I feel that that should be in your personal belief system. But I would not let my child read this.
http://whattheworldneedsisgod.blogspot.com
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@carpenter5 (6782)
• United States
8 Nov 07
I had no intention of causing a fight people. The last time I checked, we were all adults. Is it not possible to have a discussion and disagree without name calling and making fun of people. If you disagree...why not simply say so and move on the next discussion?
@owatagoosiam (751)
• United States
8 Nov 07
Just by looking at the title of the blog, I would have to suppose that the objectivity of the poster might be somewhat questionable.
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@mkirby624 (1598)
• United States
2 Dec 07
I've heard mixed reviews too.
I've heard that the author is an atheist and is trying to turn kids away from God by showing them how "bossy" He is
I've heard it's just a movie where there is an "Authority" that is supposedly God and the kids kill the Authority.
I've heard it's anti-Catholic and many other things.
I plan to form my own opinion about it in due time. I will not be going to see the movies, nor will I purchase the books. I've planned to check them out from the library at the beginning of the year (when I have a bit more time to read) and form my own opinion about what the books mean. I've read a little review of the books, and, quite frankly, it sounds a bit like "The Giver" by Lois Lowry to me, but since I haven't read them, I can't make that assumption. In due time, we shall see. I think it is important for everyone to form their own opinion about it, but if you are skeptical about the movie and/or books message and the author's motive, I would suggest checking the book out from the library rather than contributing to the sales by going to see the movie or actually purchasing the book.
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@carpenter5 (6782)
• United States
5 Dec 07
That's what I did. I went to the library and got the book. I read the first two chapters and it just didn't reach out and grab me. I skimmed the rest, decided it wasn't something I was interested in and that was that.
Nothing against anyone who DOES choose to read the books or read the movies. Just my personal opinion. Same thing I did with Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings and Narnia.
@II2aTee (2559)
• United States
5 Dec 07
I will be going to see this movie - and if its good I will go twice. I want it to make a huge splash in the box office and I would be glad to help it out!
C'mon people. Its a MOVIE. And Christians get all kinds of movies. The Passion of Christ basically spit in the face of Jews. The list goes on but I dont care to list them.
Its not like christians dont get their own movies. But here comes an author who dosent share their veiws so he gets all the bad publicity.
I say BRAVO to him! I couldnt think of a better way to spend my money this week, and I cant WAIT for opening night!!!
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@carpenter5 (6782)
• United States
3 Jan 08
Well, since the Jews first spit in the face of Christ, I'm not sure I really want to go there. This discussion was not about racial lines nor to point fingers. Yes, you're right it is just a movie. I think Christians are just tired of always getting their hands slapped and being told "You can't do that because it offends me" but when something offends a Christian, are they supposed to just stand by and say nothing? I thought that was what freedom of speech was all about?
@terri0824 (4991)
• United States
31 Dec 07
I haven't heard anything good about this movie. In reality I think it probably falls even below the Harry Potter movies. It is a movie that I won't watch.
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@carpenter5 (6782)
• United States
4 Jan 08
I won't be seeing it either. I just don't like this type of movie. I prefer romantic comedies. I loved "the Bee". Of course, Kati Bee...the author whose book the movie came from is probably the best children's author to come along since Judy Blume.
@carpenter5 (6782)
• United States
4 Jan 08
this is a good idea. check it out before making a decision. I think if we all did that instead of simply relying on what someone else tells us to do, we would all be etter off. I don't boycott movies, products or companies just because someone else thinks I should.
@owatagoosiam (751)
• United States
8 Nov 07
Ok, answer.
In the books, the children do not kill God. They kill the Authority who claims to be God. In truth he was the first angel to be born after creation and took credit for it.
God, as we think of him, might well be the true creator of the universe who was outside it's scope. Existing before time and after it, as one might say.
A simple bit of research on Wikipedia can be very helpful. I also skimmed over a bit of an interview with Phil who seems not so aesthetic as you might think. In fact, he has points worth pondering even if you don't agree with them.
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@carpenter5 (6782)
• United States
8 Nov 07
Sorry...I went straight to the source and looked at Pullman's website. He does tell you that he doesn't believe God exists. I don't trust wiki....too many people putting their two cents worth and editting what they don't agree with.
@4monsters4me (2569)
• United States
8 Nov 07
Well, since I'm an atheist I think it sends a great message to my kids that they don't need god. That is what I hope they learn in life. If they choose to believe later on there is nothing I can do about it but right now I am trying to lead them the best I can and that is away from religion.
In the end, though, I don't think people should judge the movie or book until they have read it. I don't care what the author said the book was about. People can interpret however they want. I can't wait to get the books and read them and then me and my kids will be seeing the movie as soon as it is on DVD (can't afford the movies with 4 kids).
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@carpenter5 (6782)
• United States
8 Nov 07
As the wife of a baptist minister, I'm really not sure how to respond, other than to agree with you about not judging the movie or the book. We all have a brain, and we were given that brain to make choices. I do not try to force my views on others, and don't like it when others try to force their views on me.
I too very rarely go to the movies, I wait until they come out on DVD and then purchase them.
@villageanne (8553)
• United States
3 Nov 07
I have heard only bad things about it. I would not view it myself and would not let kids view it. I feel that this is one movie that should never be viewed by anyone.
@carpenter5 (6782)
• United States
8 Nov 07
I still think that the viewing of the movie should be personal choice. Just as everything else is. What bothers me are those that have said they were going to go see it just because some body doesn't want them to? How adult is that? It almost sounds like a petulant two year old who isn't getting their way.