I work two jobs to make extra money.
@GardenGerty (160642)
United States
November 3, 2007 9:05pm CST
I often fill in extra shifts when people want or need off of my second job, working with adults with disabilities. I have this weekend off, but there are two calls on my answering machine wanting me to work tomorrow, seven hours, for someone who will not, or cannot come in. I know the whole program is short staffed, but between the two jobs I work about 65-70 hours a week, and it is not my problem if they cannot find extra help. I am not going to do it, and I feel guilty for saying "no", but I feel that I have filled in all the time for everyone, and that is just enabling the powers that be to not solve the problem. It is not like someone will get sick, or die if I do not do it. I guess I am being whiny, but I do not want to go.Do you feel guilty when you say "no", and do you find it hard to do?
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@GardenGerty (160642)
• United States
4 Nov 07
Hi, Gabs, yes, I am enjoying just being home a little while. It is too much as I have worked at least one extra short shift every week for longer than I care to think about.
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
4 Nov 07
Yes, I have this same problem. It used to be that the boss would go so far as to drive to my house and knock on my door if i chose not to pick up my phone...thanx to caller ID. I was always torn because of course, I could use the money but then again...i do need some time with my kids and a bit of personal time is always good. Now I just say no...simple. I don't offer up explantions...just NO..I can not!! Yes, I do feel a twinge of guilt but it is small. In 15 years, I have only called in on short notice once and that was during a major flood and I had no choice! I have covered and given up precious time with my children, cancelled dates and other plans just to accomodate the most foolish excuses you can imagine for calling out. I got fed up. I have not had a raise in 9 years. I no longer feel guilty at all.
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@GardenGerty (160642)
• United States
4 Nov 07
I would be looking for something that would give me a raise. You sound like you are worth it.
@rogue13xmen13 (14403)
• United States
5 Nov 07
A lot of my friends and family members do this because they need the extra money to buy what they want. One of my friends and her whole family were all working two or three jobs to save up money for a new house. They did. They bought one in Diamond Bar. They conserved on everything just to buy what they wanted.
@GardenGerty (160642)
• United States
5 Nov 07
I am needing to pay off some debt we got in while my hubby had sketchy employment for about four years. We tried to make money online, but what we made was credit cart debt. We are paying things off now.
@jennybianca (12912)
• Australia
5 Nov 07
That is already too many hours of work. They should not even be requesting that you do an extra shift, if they are aware of what work hours you have already put in.
Do not feel guilty, as you are not good to anyone if you collapse from work exhaustion.
I just read an article that says Americans work some of the longest hours in the world.
Here are some tips I found that are signs that you are working too much:
You literally dream about working.
You check your work email even when on vacation.
You answer your home or cell phone as if you are still at work, such as "This is COMPANY XYZ. How can I assist you?"
You have your hands waiting for the sink to automatically turn on, and you are wondering why the toilet has not already automatically flushed itself when you are at home and neither are automatic at home.
Your spouse or significant other threatens to leave you.
Your pets won’t play with you.
Your kids are shy with you.
You dial "9" first when calling from your home or cell phone.
@GardenGerty (160642)
• United States
5 Nov 07
I know, we Americans are work a holics. We just have some debt that we could not address for the last two years, and this is how we will get out of it. That, and I need a job that covers for the days school is out for teacher meetings. I feel much better, having said no, and stayed home and relaxed today.
@CatsandDogs (13963)
• United States
10 Nov 07
When I was working, I did the same thing, pull everyone else's shift for what ever reason but then there were times when I had to say no because of a preplanned engagement. I can't cover for everybody every time for I needed time for myself too.
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@GardenGerty (160642)
• United States
1 Dec 07
Exactly right. I am only one person, and I am letting them know that I cannot do the work of three people. Some people realize it, but it still continues. Our whole program is short handed right now. They did an across the board raise, and I am waiting to see if I get a longevity raise when I roll over one year with them in January. I have only missed one shift, and it was because of illness. I should get some recognition in the form of a raise.
@theprogamer (10534)
• United States
4 Nov 07
There are times I do still feel guilty saying no and there are times its hard. I am improving though, because in life and in several cases 'no' is required. Its good to help out, to do favors, to fill in for others, but you have to watch out for yourself as well Gerty. It does you and everyone else no good if you exert yourself beyond your capabilities, that includes work, chores and other duties be they required or volunteered. You have a right to rest up and refuse especially if you are feeling strained in some way.
I don't think you are being "whiny" at all. To tell the truth, I too find myself stretched thin at times. 55-65+ hours here and thats without my independent work and my time to time volunteering. Then there is also mylot, I'm here almost everyday either posting my opinion or more commonly answering the questions of friends and members. I'll still continue though. But if you need a break Gerty, take one.
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@GardenGerty (160642)
• United States
4 Nov 07
Mylot is recreation for me, and other sites as well. Nice when recreation pays. I am just too ingrained to help others all the time. I originally was working only fifteen hours a week at this job. Caregiving jobs are hard to fill, and the payoff I get is recognition for a good job, and added responsibilities, but it does have to stop somewhere, we have been short handed for about three months, due to one person always wanting time off. The one tomorrow is not that way, but the person who gets the big bucks can figure it out, I do not get paid well enough to keep on filling in for everyone else.
@theprogamer (10534)
• United States
4 Nov 07
Well mylot is recreation for me as well, but still even recreation can be taxing (probably a sign of, "stop and rest" but I still post as long as I can!)
And for you Gerty, I do hope its resolved and it gets better for you. At the very least, relax and take care!
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@GardenGerty (160642)
• United States
4 Nov 07
I work quite a bit, as we got into some debt awhile back. I have to say no sometimes, but it is hard.
@Thoroughrob (11742)
• United States
4 Nov 07
You need to rest too!! You are already doing enough for 2 people. You should not feel guilty. I know, since I have a child with a disability, that they need someone there, but you will be no good to anyone if you let yourself get too run down. Enjoy Sunday, let someone else pick up the hours.
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@GardenGerty (160642)
• United States
4 Nov 07
That is correct. The clients in my program mostly can fend for themselves, give their own meds, etc. Very few exceptions Two houses cannot cook for themselves other than microwave, and one client has locked up meds, and one has blood sugar problems. Either the coordinator, who missed most of this week, can come do it, or someone from another program can do it. Co ordinator only lives four blocks away.
@ElusiveButterfly (45940)
• United States
4 Nov 07
I feel guilty for now wanting to work the weekends. We do need the money and my job requires that I work the weekend hours. But, I really wish I could spend more time at home on the weekends. If someone were to ask me to work on my weekend off I wouldn't hesitate to say no and would not feel guilty over it. Your personal time should be treasured as your time. We do need to focus on ourselves more too.
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@GardenGerty (160642)
• United States
5 Nov 07
I always find a sister soul in you. I am glad I said no.
@AmbiePam (92518)
• United States
4 Nov 07
I hope you don't feel guilty too long. I'd hate for them to get the idea they could take advantage of you. I have felt guilty before on something similar. Not your situation, but a circumstance that reminds me of yours. I do feel bad, then I get mad at myself for feeling bad!
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@GardenGerty (160642)
• United States
4 Nov 07
Starting this discussion was actually a good way to get my backbone firmed up.
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@raydene (9871)
• United States
4 Nov 07
Sweets...do not feel guilty..
If you were working 65-70 at the same job you would be getting overtime pay and the way it is now you are being an enabler for people that are not responsible..
I used to work like that all the time but it was one job so I did get ot..I wore myself out and ended up on ssd due to my back issues,fibromyalgia,cfs,ibs and more..If you need extra money after your first job do something at home.I am and it is working well..I am promoting environmental issues which I care deeply about and making some money too.
Like I said don't feel bad..when we let others take advantage of us we are encouraging bad behavior.That's not good for anyone!
oxxoxoxoxo
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@GardenGerty (160642)
• United States
5 Nov 07
I did realize in September that I was enabling them. I actually gave them an ultimatum about finding more help. They did. It just so happens that Miss High School Girl wants off all of the time, and the really decent College girl ended up in the emergency room yesterday am. It is not a well paying job, but there are a lot of fringes for me with it. Some preventative health screenings for free, free flu shot, etc. I did just have to figure that it was not my problem to solve, I do not get paid program manager wages.
@saivenkaat802003 (4823)
• India
13 Nov 07
Eeerie.. when your employer is trying to squeeze and bully you, beyond the limits, then there is nothing wrong in saying a no, to your boss.
I always do it, without any speck of hesitation, when my boss tries to exploit me, saying that, hey... come one, only you can do it, you work below your capabalities.."
Dont hesitate to say No when you cant do it.
Have you read the Book " DONT SAY YES, WHEN YOU WANT TO SAY NO"
By Norman Vincent pele.
Take care GardenGerty.:)
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@drannhh (15219)
• United States
4 Nov 07
I don't feel a bit guilty, but in truth I have had some jobs where it really wasn't allowed to say no, and just as you say the bosses took advantage of their ability to bully workers into pushing beyond reasonable limits. At one place we were already doing 9 hour shifts and they had what pretty much amounted to mandatory overtime on Saturday and Sunday. Then they pushed it up to 10 hours/day but gave us Fridays off. Then they wanted us to do overtime on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. The pay was phenomenal, but one cannot keep that pace up forever. They paid us double time and a half for working some of the holidays (like Christmas Eve), but as most of the legal holidays in the US are now celebrated on Fridays anyway, they only paid part of the O/T for those because they were technically on our day off anyway. At least I didn't have to answer the phone there! I had an office job once where we worked so much overtime that I started answering my home phone with the office greeting. No bigge, it was usually my boss calling anyway....can you come in early?
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@GardenGerty (160642)
• United States
4 Nov 07
There are jobs in manufacturing around here with those kinds of hours. This is just a simple filler, I spoiled them by saying "yes" too much this summer, when I was not working at the school
@xiaojun424 (25)
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4 Nov 07
I don no quite understand,but i think you mean you have to do two jobs at the same time.
@GardenGerty (160642)
• United States
4 Nov 07
Most days from Mon.-Fri. I leave my house at 7:00 am to be at work at a school until 3;30 PM. Most evenings I drive straight to a job to work with adults with mentally handicapped people until 8 or so in the evening. On weekends it is longer shifts. 10 hours on Saturday, 7 on Sunday. We are short of help at that job, so I have worked, a lot, even when I was supposed to have a day off.
@Stiletto (4579)
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6 Nov 07
I don't feel guilty about saying no nowadays but I used to have a real problem with it. I was one of these people that would agree to do something and then moan about doing it to anyone who would listen because I didn't really want to lol. Some people (particularly employers) are good at making people feel guilty for saying no but I don't succumb to that sort of emotional blackmail any more. Of course it's still the case that sometimes I may find it more difficult than others to say no but as long as I'm sure of my own reasons for refusing I will do it.
You also make a good point when you say you are enabling the powers that be not to solve the problem. As long as people cover they won't try to find a long-term solution to the problem of understaffing.
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@reinydawn (11643)
• United States
4 Nov 07
I remember when I worked a job that I was being called in alot on my days off. I usually did not go in, but if I needed the money bad enough I'd do it. It's hard to work ALL the time. Right now, I'm a full-time CPA so I know my hours are way longer during Feb-April but it's only a few months so I deal with it. Plus, I really enjoy the work so it's not bad at all. I also have a part-time business out of the house, where I make my own hours. Yesterday was a prime example of not working if I didn't want to. I did have some people I wanted to follow-up with, but I spent the time with my son instead. It's great having that flexibility!!
Remember - you have to take time for yourself, otherwise what are you doing all this for???
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@sweetlady10 (3611)
• United States
10 Nov 07
I can understand your dilema here. It is hard to refuse, specially when you are helping some disable people. But we also have our limitations, so sometime we have to say no. Don't fell guilty about it. I really apriciate your hard work, your are working a lot. You need some time for yourself too, and need some rest.
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@dilmeet (55)
• India
5 Nov 07
I don't feel guilt of saying "no". As i have learning that first i should take care of my health then only i can help others. So if something not support my health or hamper my health then there nothing wrong to say "no". Although if i feel well with the work i also like to support my team and my organisation.
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