To all you Hillary fans -- what do you have to say about this?

Hello Progamer, "How in the world does a person trust someone like that!?" You've got me on that one, Progamer. I have no idea how anyone who supported Hillary before this could continue to do so. This just screams of sneaky, snakey behavior. Especially from someone who espouses to bring real, substantive change to D.C. I give this young college student alot of credit for revealing the truth behind this scam. Oh, and are you sure it was the snake oil that was making you temporarily fly? (chuckle, chuckle) Thanks for sharing Progamer!

Hello Progamer, I hope you had a wonderful, refreshing rest. You were right to point out your other perspective. One of the limitations of us 'silly Humans' is that we tend to think our little micro-world is an accurate reflection of the whole world. As such, many people have no concept of the point of your response in that other thread. If you return to that thread, you will find a response from me to your very valid point. I serioulsy doubt that many people know about the legitimate arguments occuring in Family Courts these days. Which, when examined end up supporting your point. I appreciate your having offered a contrary perspecitve. And, I support your submission!

It was the snake oil! Grifter's honor!! XD I'll have to remember to make up an item and link it here. It's neat. Until next time Luna. Don't worry I said in that other thread I'd go to sleep. I swear I'm actually going to sleep this time. Plus I need a fresher head to deal with some of the (very likely) "OMG ur sexist! Help, halp!" claims that'll be thrown at me for trying to point something different out respectfully. Have a good night Luna!

Hello Dbmax41, Let me first welcome you to MyLot. I hope you enjoy your time here. Your point is very valid. The number of scandals that have been linked to both of the Clintons is truly alarming. Hillary's Scandals: - White-Water, - FBI Files, - Travel-Gate, - Cattle-futures, - Clinton National Library - refusal to comply with Freedom of Information Act demand for Hillary's First Lady Documents. - Choreographed character assassination of Bill's other women. Gee, did I forget any? Thanks for sharing Dbmax41!

Thank you. So far I like mylot.

Bill Clinton backs Tyson Foods. Read up on all the Illegal practices and lawsuits on them. Hillary is married to him.

Hello Mkirby624, Now, don't be shy. You can let us know how you really think, (chuckle, chuckle). I do imagine that there's a whole lot of criticism being whispered in her own camp. Hillary will surely be recognizing the last Dem debate as a very serious gaff. Thanks for sharing your perspective, Mkirby624.

Hello ParaTed, Good point ParaTed! For those who might be compelled to come to Sen. Clinton's defense, she would have had to know who to choose, among the vast numbers of her supporters in the crowd. Which means that if her response is that she didn't know, then you can be certain that she's not telling the truth. I'm reminded of the Steve Martin/Deborah Winger film "Leap of Faith". Which, incidentally is a fabulous film that provides a back stage view of how this very old scam is perpetrated.

Leap of Faith was hilarious!!

Hey ParaTed, Yeah, it was a real hoot! And, it's the first thing that came to mind when I read about Hillary's plants. That's the exact scam that Steve Martin's character was trying to pull off under the big tent. I wonder if that's where they got the idea from? (chuckle, chuckle)

Hello Destiny, You present some very good points! Yet, if elected, I'm not at all sure that Hillary would be nearly as concerned with polls as Bill was. She is much more of a micro-manager, of all things in her life. I'm suggesting that she is much more attached to 'always being right' than Bill. Bill was attached to the advantage that the power gave him, not necessarily the power itself. Hillary seems to really believe that her way is the ONLY way. And, the means justify the ends -- that's very frightening to me!

Hello Ctrymuziklvr, Then you'll likely be heartened by the vast press coverage this story is getting. Whether a Hillary fan, or not, it would be very difficult to ignore this snake-oil scheme. I share your wish that this makes us all weigh her character before ever entering a voting booth next November. Thanks for sharing your perspective, Ctrymuziklvr!

Too funny Sigma! I hadn't drawn the link between any possible nausea a citizen might have in reaction to this latest trick, and 'free' healthcare. Very astute, my friend!

Hello there Perspectives, Thanks for dropping by and sharing a perspective from 'up North'. An outside perspective is always refreshing. Boy, oh boy, have you hit the head of the nail here: "...a cap to how much the lobbyists can 'buy'..." Indeed, this is a huge part of our problem down here. If I might ask, how do yáll put a cap on the lobbyists? Let not your heart be heavy, my friend. The voice of "We the People" has affected more significant change in the last six months than in the previous two decades. The internet is directly responsible for this change, and I'm very heartened by the prospects for this continuing trend. The internet makes it darned near impossible for politicians to get away with the shenanigans they were previously able to. Remember that when a pendulum swings, it must swing to the extremes several times before it settles into the middle. I'll reiterate, that if you're willing, I'd love to hear how your country caps lobbyist bribery. If you're not up to it, I understand. Thanks for sharing your perspective, Perspectives!

Hello JaLuvYa, Let me first welcome you to MyLot. I do hope you enjoy your time here. I have to concur with your point that professional politicians are a bane to our nation, specifically 'We The People'. Our Founding Father's must surely be rolling in their graves over how far we have veered from their original intentions of governance. Having said that, I'm more than happy to point out four current candidates who have been steadfast in their views for as many years as they've been in the political world. They are: Dem: Dennis Kucinich Libertarian running as GOP: Ron Paul GOP: Duncan Hunter, Tom Tancredo In addressing your point about electability: Obviously Kucinich, Paul & Tancredo have no real chance at being elected. However, it is really very surprising that Duncan Hunter has not been elevated by 'the people' to top-tier status. Do I think Hunter would make a good president? Actually, yes I do. - He has been a US Representative since 1981. - He is one of the few candidates who has served in the US Military. - He is one of the only current politicians on 'The Hill' to have a nuclear family member currently serving in a war zone. - He is among the minority of candidates who has provided complete financial discovery. link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/congress/fin_dis/2006/h000981.pdf - He is one of the few candidates who has demonstrated a track record in legislating AGAINST the Security & Prosperity Partnership, i.e. the North American Union. - He is a vocal opponent of the NAFTA Superhighway Proposal. - He has demonstrated a clear track record on ecological preservation programs, including water storage & safety. - He is a staunch supporter of Human Rights. - He has been a vocal advocate of private property rights -- No eminent domain abuses! - He has legislatively urged Americans to BUY AMERICAN. - He has been one of the driving forces behind the demand to free our Border Patrol Agents who have been prosecuted for political reasons: Ramos, Campeon, and others. - He is a strict Originalist. Meaning, he is a staunch supporter of the Rights of Citizenship as outlined in the Bill of Rights. - And, he IS the legislator behind the effort to secure our borders! - The one issue that I do not know, off the top of my head, where he stands on is the Law of the Sea Treaty. Although, given his legislative track-record, I cannot imagine that he supports the USA signing on to that debaucle. Here is the link to his legislative sponsorship & co-sponsorship record for 2007. http://www.house.gov/hunter/previous_legislation.shtml#main And, here is the link to his official website: http://www.house.gov/hunter/ Duncan Hunter hasn't wavered, he hasn't flip-flopped, and he hasn't undergone a political make-over. As for Hillary's voting record: Among a plethora of 'fluff', here's a limited, repetitive example of what should be very frightening to American voters about Hillary: Look for her pattern of: "I'll let you know my intentions, and the purpose of submitting the bill at a later date". "91. S.AMDT.231 to S.470 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text. Sponsor: Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham [NY] (introduced 2/5/2007) Cosponsors (None) Latest Major Action: 2/5/2007 Senate amendment submitted -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 92. S.AMDT.278 to S.4 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text. Sponsor: Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham [NY] (introduced 2/28/2007) Cosponsors (1) Latest Major Action: 2/28/2007 Senate amendment submitted -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 93. S.AMDT.409 to S.4 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text. Sponsor: Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham [NY] (introduced 3/8/2007) Cosponsors (None) Latest Major Action: 3/8/2007 Senate amendment submitted -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 94. S.AMDT.410 to S.4 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text. Sponsor: Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham [NY] (introduced 3/8/2007) Cosponsors (None) Latest Major Action: 3/8/2007 Senate amendment submitted" etc... http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery

You're welcome JaLuvYa. Happy MyLotting!

Thank you for an honest and well researched answer. I will definately take a closer look at Duncan :) I like Hillary, but if I see someone better for the job and representing my interest and the working class American... then that's who get's my vote. I just think people bashing Hillary for being a great politician and not bashing the other politicians for being not as great politicians is funny. They are all playing the same game- she's just better at it. But I will honestly look into Duncan. Thanks again ;)