What Should The U.S. Do About the Illegal Alien Problem.
By ParaTed2k
@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
November 25, 2007 3:10am CST
This has become one of the biggest political footballs of our time. Politicians court the future block vote, should illegal aliens be given "amnesty" and fast tracked to citizenship. Industry says they are needed to help keep the price tags affordable. Legal Immigrants resent the special treatment illegals are getting. U.S. Citizens are just wishing something would be done to reduce the impact Illegal Aliens have on our communities.
So, here's my 2 cents worth.
When an illegal alien is arrested, there should be a hearing to determine whether they are illegal or not.
If they aren't illegal, then try them for the offense they were arrested for in the first place and let the system run its course.
If they are determints to be illegal, sentence them accordingly.
While they are in prison, they will be assigned community service jobs. In other words, they will "do the jobs Americans won't do anyway".
When their sentence is completed.. deport them and bill their nation of origin for travel expenses.
This would remove the major incentives to coming here illegally in the first place. If they are doing community service jobs for room and board in prison, there is no money to send back home. Companies would be less likely to hire illegal aliens, since at any time any of them could be arrested and they would lose an "employee".
After the initial wave of deported illegal aliens get back home, they'll be able to warn others that the only thing waiting for illegal aliens in the US is a chain gang and a trip back to where they started, fewer will want to take that chance.
It's constitutional, it removes the incentives, it is doable, and it's about time!
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@twoey68 (13627)
• United States
25 Nov 07
This sounds like a good idea...my only question is would the community service part be strictly supervised? If not, they'd be running the second they got out of sight. I like the part about billing their country but not just for their travel expenses but also for whatever it costs to jail them for the length of their sentence. Overall it sounds great!!
On a side note, something needs to be figured out for the anchor baby problem also. An anchor baby is a baby that is born in the U.S. to illegals. Since it was born in the U.S. it automatically is a citizen whether it was conceived here, whether or not the parents are citizens or anything else. The problem is once the baby is born here the parents automatically get to stay as well. This brings to light the problem of more illegals finding a loophole to stay here not to mention they get Welfare assistance to raise the child.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
26 Nov 07
That's what I mean. If it were any other crime, the parents would be arrested and the kids would be put into the foster care system. Why shouldn't that happen to kids of illegal aliens?
Also though, the Constitution is being misread there, the whole "anchor baby" thing isn't as constitutional as people are led to think.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
26 Nov 07
The community service would be done much like any other system where inmates are brought to do work outside the walls of the prison.
As far as Anchor babies go, when parents are caught committing any other crime, do we excuse them from prosecution because of they have kids?
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@twoey68 (13627)
• United States
26 Nov 07
I would definately worry about them running if given the chance...same as any criminal.
As for the anchor babies, I wasn't saying excuse them from punishment but rather that they are purposely having babies in this country in an effort to be able to stay... not long ago there was a lot of media coverage surrounding an illegal woman and her son that was born in the U.S., she was demanding to be able to stay with her son and had taken refuge in a church while her son was going around to various congressmen and such pleading her case. It was crazy. It was all based on the fact that he (the boy) had been born in the U.S. and had the legal right to stay and she was his sole provider so she should be able to stay in order to care for him.
MERRY CHRISTMAS!!
**AT PEACE WITHIN**
~~STAND STRONG IN YOUR BELIEFS~~
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
25 Nov 07
Makes alot of since to do that.
might help get rid of them. and I just read the first responce and I just cant beleive Memphis flying that flag in their store! . The KKK ought to go in there and tear them all down!.
DOnt know where they come off doint that. just a few years back there were no MExicans in the state then I go back home and I have seen several even restrants took over by them . I like the food but if they are illeagle they need to go home. I read Where Hersey was sending their factory to Mexico. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr that puts a whole town out of business . I say throw the illeagles out and bring out factories back home!
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
26 Nov 07
See, that's the other side of the problem. Legal Immigrants are made to jump through insane hoops that have no real purpose other than to perpetuate somebody's government job.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
26 Nov 07
Well, I wouln't back the KKK on any action... even if I happened to agree with the reason they are doing it. But anyway...
Deporting illegal aliens does nothing but bring more money to the Coyotes. The deportees will be back before their deportation papers are even filed.
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@visitorinvasion (7709)
• United States
25 Nov 07
At long last, a sensible solution.
Now just try to get the neocons to go for that.
They don't like easy. They like spending funds the country doesn't have to feed and clothe and give medical care & social security to the non-citizens while so many in this country can't even manage to get an address so that they can apply for a job.
What I'd like to know is that IF all our factories are going to Mexico, why they hell are they still coming here for work...unless that story is a farce and the jobs are going somewhere else (China maybe) and being shipped back into the U.S. via Mexico...
Maybe 5 years ago these people were doing jobs that Americans "won't" do (imo, not for $3 a day they won't), but now that their country supposedly has most of our factories, I'm sure there are plenty of Americans willing to pick vegetables and clean houses. As a matter of fact, we have all kinds of new cleaning services popping up all over the place around here.
I've also heard my construction working uncles & cousins talk about non-citizens threatening non-union workers because they want the non-union jobs open for their non-citizen buddies. My son almost threw a guy off a roof the other day because the jackasses were talking smack about him in Spanish. Guess what, some Americans are fluent in Spanish. My son understood what they were saying and went off. Their American-Cuban (yes, legal) boss told them about it too. Either they want jobs or they don't and if they do they'd better damn well show respect to his other roofers.
It's getting to the point where people are going to start getting nasty about it. There's a Wal-Mart in Memphis that has Mexican flag after Mexican flag hanging from the ceilings in their aisles--in TN of all places.
I gotta get off this subject. My blood is starting to boil. This is the land of the stars & stripes dammit.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
26 Nov 07
Thanks! I thought it was pretty good myself. There are probably things I missed, but it seems like a decent start.
I wonder how the "flag burning" crowd would react to a little Mexican flag burning in Memphis. ;~D
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
30 Nov 07
There are no laws banning the display of any national flag on private property... nor should there ever be any.
@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
25 Nov 07
Your idea will never pass. A inmate working for room and board but no pay is slavery. And it sounds too much like what the Nazis did to 6 million Jews and 5 million others.The U.S. is still the land of the free.If someone tried this plan it would be more of an uproar than what we have already.There are ex cons that have done their time and still can't jobs and you want present inmate to get jobs and do them for free. There will more companies withholding jobs from citizens and legal immigrants so they can use the free labor from the jails.So more people will be out of work and there still will be more people coming. Because sadly, a U.S. jail is better than their life in their homeland.
And charging their homeland a fee to transport them bak home? if they had that type of money and was able to dole it out, many of their citizens would have stayed at home in the first place.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
26 Nov 07
There are already a lot of programs where inmates work for room and board. When I was a forest fire fighter there were a few teams from the prison. They did a great job!
The idea that making Americans work to earn their keep is not slavery, it's being real. Allowing them room and board without any effort from themselves destroys the person and is inhumane.
The Excon who can't find a job because of prison time is a different problem. You are right, for most crimes, once you've done your time, it shouldn't be held against you.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
26 Nov 07
So in your little world incarcerated Americans can be made to work but incarcerated illegal aliens can't? Tell me again how that makes sense?
It is not slavery to make inmates work.. period!
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
26 Nov 07
They get paid, in room and board. It is inhuman to separate a person from the means of their survival. There is nothing good about handouts that a person didn't earn.
Do you really beleive it is better to let them sit around with no responsibilities at all? That is just cruel.
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@AD11RGUY (1265)
• United States
25 Nov 07
What an excellent and easily implementable idea! Good thinking on this one! And of course it should remain policy permanently. This is the easiest solution I have yet to see to this ridiculous, money hogging, people dividing issue! So. How do we get this to congress? Interested in getting an internet petition going? One thought though. How many illegals, proportionately, get arrested? I would love to think a lot (if not most) of them do, but I wonder what the real numbers are. I'd be happy with only 50% to start.
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@visitorinvasion (7709)
• United States
25 Nov 07
Wanna get it to Congress?
All Rep & Senate addies can be found here:
http://contentcity.blogspot.com
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@visitorinvasion (7709)
• United States
25 Nov 07
Imagine that. Me in a controversial discussion.
Who would have guessed? 2 more gulps of joe and I'm outta here. Nitey nite & please do keep me posted.
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@AD11RGUY (1265)
• United States
25 Nov 07
Oh. Funny finding you here. Got the link. Gonna start on it later today. This just makes too much sense! I'd like to get some serious momentum behind this!
@deepsweech (3)
• Singapore
25 Nov 07
For me this is plain simple. Deport illegal aliens back or jail them or something. That's why it's called ILLEGAL in the first place.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
26 Nov 07
Simple deportation is useless, they are back in the US in just a few days.
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@deepsweech (3)
• Singapore
26 Nov 07
Then perhaps jail them. I'm not an american nor living in america but I do respect the law and laws are written to be followed. Wether it's in US or in any other country overstaying means you break the law. If you overstayed because of some valid reasons like medical or something perhaps there's a proper and legal way of extending. But if you overstayed for the mere reason of working illegally then that's illegal. US spends millions of dollars on wars they are even not concerned with but why not spend it on cleaning their own backyard?
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@estherlou (5015)
• United States
25 Nov 07
Sounds really good. But didn't I read somewhere that Mexico refuses to take back the illegals who are law breakers? Do we not have an extradition aggreement with Mexico?
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
26 Nov 07
That could pose a problem too. It's ironic, Mexico has some of the most stringent laws against illegal immigrants around, but they expect us to accept illegal aliens from their country.
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@xXxMikesWifeyxXx (3072)
• United States
25 Nov 07
You know what i say.... when we stop goijg to their country then they can stop coming to ours, but we go to their countrys, why is it eight for us to beable to go their and them not here?.
we go to and CANCOON all the time . why cant they come here?
Oh and by the way... mexicans are not the only immagrants...
indians from india, jordainians from jordan,and in ny there having problems with the russians,
i just hate when u say immagrants everyone thinks mexican.puerto rico.people come here all the time...but we go to all these places as well..
i think mabey they should lift the tax free for 7 years thing.
and when they comr they must make a effort to pass the citizens test,and get a visa,, if u come and do nothing.. well then of course. you dont get nothing if you dont work for it...
but most come here to give their familys a better life,better education. wouldnt you want that for your family no matter what country you lived in?
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
26 Nov 07
You are lumping Illegal Aliens, Legal Immigrants and Tourists all together. There are huge differences between the three.
Want to find out one difference... overstay your tourist status in Cancoon and see how the Mexican government treats you as an illegal alien.
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@Reclusivehermitguy (21)
• United States
26 Nov 07
Figured I'd throw my own idea into the ring: the U.S. could increase it's ability to process citizenship applications in a faster manner. Many illegal immigrants are just those who didn't want to bother waiting two years to get into the U.S. Now if we could get those applications processed in a couple months, we could spread the word into Mexico that the risk of illegal immigration is no longer worth it. Again, it's just an idea.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
26 Nov 07
Agreed, the Legal Immigrant process is rediculous. Most of the laws and policies serve no purpose. It takes way too long and costs far too much.
@betsyraeduke (2670)
• United States
17 Dec 07
Alright, I have been debating rather or not to respond to this for a while as I do not have any solutions of my own to offer, nor much of any intelligent insight on this issue, but just an opinion and that is all. I believe that most immigrants, both legal and illegal are primarily just trying to make a better life for themselves and their families. It is my opinion, that jail and or prison should be reserved for scumbags, such as murders, rapist, armed robbers, outright thieves, etc. etc. etc. I would not classify a person who is trying to make a better life for themselves and their families as a scumbag. For that reason, it is my opinion that this is not the solution, although I do not know what the solution is. Again, that is just my opinion.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
17 Dec 07
Thanks for your opinion, but this plan is for the illegal aliens who turn out to be scumbags.
I'm not saying round up all illegal aliends and get them working for the prison system. I'm saying that illegal aliens who get caught and convicted at criminal activity should be subjected to this as part of their incarceration.
I do have one thing to say though, many people who are commiting non violent criminal acts are merely trying to make a better life for themselves.... but we don't excuse their acts, so why should we excuse the acts of the illegal alien?
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
18 Dec 07
Agreed, while I don't think the reason for committing the crime should matter in the trial, it should definitely count in the sentencing.
@betsyraeduke (2670)
• United States
17 Dec 07
Ah, ok. Then I misunderstood your post.
I wasn't suggesting that we excuse anyone for a crime, just that the reasons for the crime should be taken into consideration when determining the consequences. Not just for illegal immigrants, but for everyone.