Wrong AGAIN !
@redyellowblackdog (10629)
United States
January 8, 2008 9:45am CST
Some months ago in a political discussion here at myLot I predicted Hillary would quickly dispatch Obama in the quest for the democratic nomination to be president. Wrong, AGAIN!
http://www.nysun.com/article/69128
Who'd a thunk it? Obama is being talked about as possibly defeating Hillary in New York, her current home state.
What say you about all this?
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13 responses
@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
8 Jan 08
I think it is funny and well deserved.
Hillary was all set for her coronation, and thought it was going to be a done deal...that the elections were nothing more than a mere formality that had to be gone through just for the sake of appearances.
She is now finding out differently.
It is a good thing I hadn't already ordered my "Impeach Hillary" bumper stickers...:)
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
8 Jan 08
Hillary is a particularily odious candidate, but we can't count her out,yet. Darn it!
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@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
9 Jan 08
True... In a pinch we can always dust off the old "Impeach Clinton" signs, and if we are feeling especially playful, we can take a magic marker or even a crayon and scrawl the word "AGAIN" at the bottom.
I see where she has won NH.
There is no accounting for taste, or intelligence.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
8 Jan 08
Hello Red,
Trying to predict voter commitment is nearly as improbable as trying to predict a court decision.
There is a long way to go in this election cycle. And, none can argue that Iowa and New Hampshire are not representative of the rest of the country. Never mind that fact that in both, candidate's supporters have been bussed in from all over the country to present the image of momentum. The candidates are relying on the American voter being swayed to vote for the candidate that will ultimately win. All this means that the variables are still in wild fluctuation.
What I have found most telling about this election cycle is that as of last night, there were still N.H. Dem's & Republicans who were, as yet undecided. Or they hadn't decided until the debates over the weekend. If anything, this indicates that every aspect of this election is still quite fluid.
Red, the short answer is that it's way too early to say that you were wrong. Super-Tuesday is still a month away. And alot can happen in a month!
So, I'm gonna' continue to give you the benefit of the doubt, at least until the morning after 2/5.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
8 Jan 08
Thanks for the benefit of the doubt. I can use it.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
10 Jan 08
Ah... but now I have fallen into a logical trap and have to be wrong. If I'm not wrong about Hillary dispatching Obama early, I'm now wrong about being wrong.
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@Lindalinda (4111)
• Canada
9 Jan 08
I follow this closely and find it absolutely fascinating. Who would have guessed this. I hear so much about racial discrimination in the US but could it be that the next president of the USA is indeed Barak Obama?
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
9 Jan 08
I would never have guessed it. I will further predict that if Obama gets the nomination and the republicans are stupid enough to nominate a RINO or pseudo-liberal people will just go ahead and vote for Obama to get the real thing.
Republican
In
Name
Only
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
9 Jan 08
America has afforded equal opportunity and even better for quite some time.
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@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
8 Jan 08
It tells me that people are finally waking up to the fact that if Hillary becomes President; Bill will be back in the White House too.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
8 Jan 08
I sure hope you are right. Also, I think Bill is covertly and subliminally working against Hillary. A lot of his praise for Hillary can be taken to have a negative subtext, IMHO. My guess is there is no way Bill wants to play second fiddle to Hillary in the White House. She could assign him a very very subordinate role, an insignificant role, and government officials would do as Hillary ordered, not Bill. I think he does not want to suffer the first lady jokes either.
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@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
8 Jan 08
Many First Lady's have taken very subordinate roles and turned them into very powerful forces.
Also, if Hillary is elected; the President is protected from crimes committed in office; but, the President's spouse does NOT have the same legal protection. They could easily spend a lot more time and money fighting legal charges than they did the first 8 years.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
9 Jan 08
Hey, that's OK, you and thousands of others, including many that earn their living making these kinds of predictions. I had a feeling they were being premature; I'm not bragging at all, I just got lucky with this one, call it a "gut" feeling. It seems a bit hard to believe Hillary could lose in her own state, but I guess stranger things have happened, right? I'm loving it myself, I was hoping for a close race and a good healthy debate. I hope they stick to the issues though, instead of the personal attacks which don't do anyone any good, especially our nation.
Annie
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
9 Jan 08
I believe Hillary is still ahead in NY. It is just that Obama gained some and that surprised people. I believe we will yet see some good debating of the issues.
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@academic2 (7000)
• Uganda
12 Jan 08
I have this feeling that Hillary is making a relauch of herself image and she is beginning to have an effect-recently am told she shed a few tears and got droves of women pouring in the sympathy votes for her-my niew is dont rule her out and never under estimate that woman!
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@estherlou (5015)
• United States
8 Jan 08
There has been so much about the candidates in the news for so long, it has already gotten to be too much. But, the primaries are going to be interesting! Hillary has been touted as the front runner for so long, it is going to be fun to watch what happens. And it won't be totally decided until the party conventions, so we still have awhile to wait. If she lost in New York, I think I'd quit.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
8 Jan 08
If Hillary should lose in NY one would think it would be over for her. The gracious and smart think by my way of thinking would be to concede and throw all my influence behind the democratic front runner. But, that's me, not Hillary. So, who knows what she might do?
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@msbyte (219)
• United States
9 Jan 08
I say I would have been right there with you! I think she has sunk herself. She is changing emotions like she is in a masquarade. I think she is listening to advisors to much and swaying around like a corn plant in a storm.
But who knew Oprah would jump on the Obama wagon. Also, I don't think people were counting on the youth vote for Obama either, they don't realize that we all look old to the 18-25 group - and age looks like experience.
Hillary's yesterdays hero to many. Obama is a hero for today to many.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
9 Jan 08
I think your last sentence sums up the situation very well.
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@squaretile (3778)
• Singapore
9 Jan 08
yes i think that must have been one of the greatest upsets in democrat history. but i think i kinda saw it coming. People probably saw obama as the underdog and thus voted for him. I think hiliary has been too overconfident and her brash nature is really rubbing people the wrong way.
i think it would be great for america to get a fresh faced president who can bring some new direction to the White House and to the nation at large.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
12 Jan 08
It's a fact that America needs new leadership. Strange, that Hillary does not seem to realize she is a part of the old, not the new.
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@morgandrake (2136)
• United States
8 Jan 08
We all make wrong predictions occasionally. I am surprised about it myself. Not that I would support Hillary (that is more the wife's deal than mine), for some reason I am not sure that I trust her. Besides I remember how her opposition drag out a scandal to keep health care from happening during her husband's presidency; what is to stop them from doing the same thing again? She makes a lots of promises and might have some good ideas, but I think that she is actually going to be able to accomplish nothing.
I am not sure if Obama will be able to accomplish more, but I would sooner vote for him than Hillary. But we are still a far ways away from knowing who is going to be the Democractic candidate, she may still seize the position.
@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
8 Jan 08
I agree Hillary has not lost, yet. She could still pull it off.
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@AD11RGUY (1265)
• United States
9 Jan 08
From the beginning, Obama looked like a strong candidate to me. The question in my mind was "Is America ready for this?". My personal hope was that his "race" wouldn't be a factor in the decision making. Of course, when I woke up I realized where this election was actually taking place. But surprisingly, he has gained serious momentum over the course of his campaigning, and I am quite pleased. He has shown the knowledge and leadership skills from the beginning as well as a good insight in how to manage problems. And I like the fact that he is not from the same old tired cloth. Ironically, the same I like about Ron Paul. I think it will be a very close final count between the victor and the loser. Both have a great following, both are just as worthy as any the opposition has to offer. But I do hope the freshness of Obama's approach will win out. It's time for a positive change in our country's politics.
@makemoneywithadsense (431)
• Cambodia
9 Jan 08
Hillary belongs to the CFR so backeup by the Miltary-IndustrIAL cOMPLEX