stereotyping vs acknowledging cultural/gender/religious or other differences
By miamilady
@miamilady (4910)
United States
February 2, 2008 10:56pm CST
I've had these questions on my mind for quite some time.
They probably came to me even before I discovered myLot.
It's one of those things that you wonder about then it goes away, only to return again.
I don't like racism, I don't like bigotry and I certainly don't like gender discrimination.
But the truth is, there are differences between the genders. There are cultural differences and there are differences between many groups of people.
So my question is this...
Are we sometimes overly concerned about being politicaly correct?
I am hispanic from my mothers side. There are foods that are common to my culture. There are foods common to other cultures as well. Is it wrong to think of black beans and rice as a common hispanic food?
I've heard the term soul food said in a positive manner.
People from different regions and races do have different physical traits. Are we supposed to pretend that isn't so?
Even men and women of all cultures, in general, have different tendencies, depending on their gender.
A friend posted a discussion where he made light of some female stereotypes. Some folks saw the humor in it. Some did not. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it just brought these questions back for me.
Of course we can't always generalize about everything, but some things are just more common to women and some are more common to men.
I remember that my mom used to infuriate me when she would say that men are better at directions (when driving) than women are. I used to think to myself "What? do men cary internal compasses on there what-its?!" That was when I was young and naively thought that men and women are the same.
Duh, all one needs to do is look down and clearly, WE ARE DIFFERENT!
Why is it that black comedians can make jokes about white people but whites can't do the same?
Okay, I know the answer to that (sort of) but I still think it's a question that should be asked and explored.
I probably jumped around on this discussion, but the stuff is sort of related, isn't it?
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13 responses
@faith210 (11224)
• Philippines
3 Feb 08
Hi miamilady! Yes, they are sort of related to one another. I do get what you meant and I do wonder why we just can't respect each other's individuality and accept the fact that we are different from each other in so many ways. We may even have the same color but we may have different views. We may be brothers and sisters but we may differ in character and personality. So it all boils down in accepting and respecting people of who and what they are so we will be accorded with the same respect and acceptance. Sometimes it is hard to do so but I usually tell myself to "treat others the way you want to be treated". Sorry don't want to sound preachy and all that! hehe..Just my thoughts. Take care and have nice day!
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
3 Feb 08
hmmmmmmmm I always thought rice was more in the way of food for the ajpanese and chineses than hispanincs /
But I still eat it lo l there are alot of foods from diffferent places I do like to eat!.
and as for men better on directions huh?
I think not they get lost faster than we do .
but then I was one that was born with an inner compass.
and knew from a real young age when my mom was going the wrong direction think she told me I was 2 years old.
and if going her way no tell where in Salt Lake City we would have ended up for she had got turned around when coming out of a movie house lol,
And I for one dont know about this being political correct a bunch of bunk to me for it seems to me like the citizens of America are always applogizing to others about something and I dont think that is right . Why should we appologize and not them when they something back to us that might hurt our feelings!
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@visitorinvasion (7709)
• United States
3 Feb 08
I am in total agreement.
It reminds me of an episode of Oprah from years ago.
Apparently Oprah had said something about white people either not putting paprika on deviled eggs or being the ones that do put it on (can't remember now, it's been too long). Apparently she got a lot of feedback about it because she retracted it in another episode shortly after.
There wasn't anything wrong with what Oprah said, it just wasn't true, lol. Sure we have cultural and visible differences. Sure men and women are different (Hello! Mars & Venus, lol). It's one thing to comment about liking Mexican or Chinese food, it's a whole different thing to presume to stereotype people.
Many people have a tendency to over generalize. Sometimes that's good, but often it is not.
I know, I'm jumping around a bit too, but it's a touchy topic. Let's not leave out the differently abled people, they too take a lot of discrimination, but let's face it. There are just some things that some differently abled people are not capable of. Should people be made to feel badly because of that...or because sometimes they mention that it wouldn't be a good idea to take so-and-so along on a hunting trip (or whatever) due to the fact that he/she is differently abled? Maybe he/she is a good shot, but how many would be willing to chance it? Maybe that's a poor example, but I can't think of a better one atm.
I really think political correctness is an infringement upon our rights to freedom of speech, but that is another issue. Even so, the PC kick has gone too far toward making us pretend that we are all the same when clearly we are not. Hell, stand me next to my own redheaded sister--we are clearly NOT the same.
Great food for thought, btw.
@twils2 (1812)
• United States
3 Feb 08
Hello Miamilady,
As far as the law(at least in my area)we are not allowed to notice the differences in the workplace. I'm learning this real fast as a supervisor. Personally, I think we have already carried things way to far, girls generally like different things then boys, and for that matter they are allowed to wear better cloths. Most races are different from one another mainly because they are from different cultures or raised from someone that comes from a different culture. Gays, Bi's, straight's, transgendered and what ever else might be out there are all into different things and they all have different likes and dislikes that(for the most part) are common to their group. I hope this makes sense to you.
Take care, Terry
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@sumofalltears (3988)
• United States
3 Feb 08
Being politically is all well and good, but most of us fail to recognize the fact that our differences are what gives us strength. Don't make fun of the differences incorporate them and make it an advantage. Everyone has weaknesses and the sign of true greatness is knowing what they are and making it work for you.
Stereotyping is just a way to gloss over things you don't want to deal with and pretending they don't matter. People need to step right up and face their differences and weaknesses or just be quiet.
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@girlgonefishing (2174)
• United States
5 Feb 08
Considering that we have 4 people living in our house of 4 different races and my two grown and gone children are of yet a 5th race, I don't think of myself or my family as being concerned about race or differences of any sort. We just eat better than most trying to cover all of the different cultures in our family. LOL
@desertdarlene (8910)
• United States
4 Feb 08
I agree with you. I mean some people get so upset if you just describe someone as being a certain color or race. I mean, what's wrong with that? I'm white and I don't mind being called "white" if someone were to describe me. But, I've come across people who go ballistic if you describe any racial characteristics at all.
It's totally different when you use derogatory language in the descriptions, that's when it turns into racism and bigotry. But, to accurately describe someone's physical features is not.
@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
3 Feb 08
Hello Miamilady,
You present great questions to ponder in this thread.
Though it's long, I hope my answer will be helpful. At its worst, it will send a few pennies your way.
The human mind relies on the use of a variety of filters to organize input. These filters vary from person to person, and are created from both experience and education, as well as a conscious acceptance or refusal of certain data that may, or may not easily integrate with other accepted data. In as much as bigotry is a developed filter, so is the willingness to reserve judgement until data has been disected, and organized by and through multiple other filters.
Man's only inherent filter is the 'fight or flight' instinct; based on the fear of the unknown. This is a raw emotive reaction of the subconscious mind, which without the application of additional conscious filtering abilities, defaults to a physiological reaction, as opposed to a filtered, conscious decision. This instinct has been critical to the survival of mankind, and serves as only the most basic filter, which may be added to with other 'developed' filters, and may always override all other developed filters. All other filters are created AND perhaps developed, by way of conscious challenges.
Stereotypes are generalizations. In and of themselves they are harmless. They are simply another filter, derived from anectdotal evidence. A potential problem arises when an individual fails to recognize that ALWAYS there will be exceptions to generalizations. However, having those generalizations can be both useful and critical.
I'll demonstrate below with an example. Though bear in mind the subject, i.e. wild mushrooms, is (for the most part) irrelevant. What is relevant is the conversion from generalization to filter.
For example: A generalization is that eating wild mushrooms is dangerous. Anectdotal evidence suggests that consuming some wild mushrooms is fatal. Though, not all. The scientific model demonstrates that, in fact some wild mushrooms are poisonous. So the generalization warns us that unless we have the knowledge to differentiate between poisonous and non-poisonous mushrooms, that it is safer to avoid eating any wild mushrooms. One has the ability to choose to educate themselves about which are toxic, and which are not, either through trial & error, which is unwise, or by other means. And, if that choice is made, and the education acquired, then this education will serve as a future filter when harvesting wild mushrooms.
The above example demonstrates that generalizations are neither benevolent, nor malevolent. It's what we choose to do with those generalizations that becomes the issue.
Specifically with regard to bigotry: One cannot transition a generalization into judgemental belief(s) unless a choice is made to either: accept the generalization as fact, without regarding the absolute truth that always there will be exceptions, and to make no effort to consciously challenge the anectdotal evidence supporting the generalization. ** OR (and this is important), if there is no available experience or education with which to challenge the generalization.
For example: Social Scientists have identified that the time in USA history, most noteworthy with regard to diminshing racial bigotry was during, and immediately following WWII. This can be attributed to an increased level of personal experience and education about the effort that racial minorities contributed to the war effort. For some white people, this represented their first 'up close and personal' experience with people of other color. Conversely, during this time, many developed a filter that deemed whites of German and Japanese ancestry as hostile, aggressive, and dangerous. It's taken how many decades to undo the behavioral effects of this filter?
Now to your points: Yes, we are different. Though this is true to the most basic denominator: individuality. And yes, it's true that generalizations can be made about groups of individuals, based on known behavioral patterns. And yes, it can be helpful to consider those known behavioral patterns when interacting with others, though always we benefit from remembering the absolute truth that exceptions are a reality.
Specifically, why has it become acceptable for American Black comedians to joke about White people, but where the reverse is unacceptable? The answer has been defined by social scientists as "American White Guilt". Which is the (generally) irrational guilt that American Whites carry for their ancestor's participation in the slave trade, and their economic decision to enslave and supress other human beings, while knowing it was morally wrong.
As for the humor: if we have created and developed more complex filters, whereby we can see the absurdity of behaviors resulting from less complex or absent filters, then clearly there is an opportunity for us to mock ourselves and those who've come before us. This mockery constitutes a continuation of the filtering development process, as it serves to anchor the progress that we have made. However, if the attempt at humor serves to perpetuate a non-complex filter, or the absensce of reasoned filters, then it isn't funny. Hence, the reason why some jokes succeed and others fail to rouse laughter.
I would purport that those who react defensively when presented with such mockeries, are themselves in a state of conflict or challenge to the simpler to more complex filters relating to the subject matter. Those who do not react defensively have already challenged the generalizations, and have moved through their personal conflict over the subject matter.
Those who accept the presenter's attempt at humor regarding the mockeries are either: at peace with their own conscious filtering efforts, or are have not, as yet undergone or completed the filtering development process pertaining to the specific subject matter.
Taken down to its simplest: Some live the generalizations, because they have not yet created and developed more complex filters, or they are still developing those filters. While others embrace the humor, as an opportunity to anchor their own progress in creating and developing more complex filters.
For the Human species, this is a never-ending process. And, always individuals will be at different stages of the filter development process. Incidentally, this goes to explain why when those around us find something humorous, we're inclined to laugh, even if we don't really understand why the others are laughing. We perceive that 'we didn't get it', and rather than behave confoundedly, whereby we admit that we don't understand, many will simply pretend that they do 'get it'. Which isn't a bad thing, if it motivates the individual to seek to understand why they didn't 'get it'. After such query & investigation, the individual will choose to either accept or reject that which they didn't previously understand.
Make sense?
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
3 Feb 08
All your questions are related. It is all about acknowledging the differences in people but still respecting everyone.Politically correctness came about to try to do that but now it is used just to keep a person from being sued or hurt.When I think of black beans and rice , I think of Mexico not all Hispanics.Cuisine differs from place to place.Black comedians can make fun of whites instead of the other way around because of history.The difference between the sexes should be respected. But you can't and shouldn't say all men are this and all women are that.
@jillmalitz (5131)
• United States
4 Feb 08
I know that we all think differently. I also know that we are too pc these days. We make too much of issues that if we just left them alone would quietly go away. There are differences in men and women as well race. How many white people say the word last and you hear the t. Some black people dont seem to be able to say the word with the t. There are cultural differences too between many people. I dont believe that just because of a person's race or cultural background that we should be for or against them. We can and should only lump all of us together in one group. Not by race culture or religion but by the fact that we are all human beings and we should respect ourselves and others for that reason.
@Layden (17)
• Philippines
4 Feb 08
hi miamilady. I'm from the Philippines and luckily there is an equal opportunities for all people here regardless of their gender. But I heard about racial discrimination and it pains me to know that such things still happen nowadays. Culture is relative. What is accepted or moral in another country may be a taboo to our country. Even religion and naturally we regard our own religion and culture as the best. One more thing is that stereotyping is normal. It is here to stay with us. What matters most is that we respect each other's differences because our differences make us unique. Come to think of it if we are all Caucasians and we do the same thing and eat the same food, then the world would be boring. And if we all look like Brad Pinn and Angelina Jollie. LOL
@mummymo (23706)
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3 Feb 08
Yep I guess it is all related! First off I think these sort of things quite often too and I don't have the answers! I try not to stereotype people but rather hold off and wait to see what I think of them as an individual rather than jump to conclusions. Of course there are differences between the sexes, culture, religions etc but I believe these should be embraced and respected but above all we are all individuals and that is what matters most! Sorry if I can't answer your questions properly sweety but I di the best I could! xxx
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@musicman6 (2407)
• United States
3 Feb 08
You are right miami, we are not created equal, there are differences between us, and to try and ignore them is not right!
And we do have characteristics that are similar, by race, by culture, by gender, whatever, and to try and ignore this is not right, either!
The proof is right there in front of us, it's hard to ignore!
And all those sayings that our parents and grandparents used to say are true, they've been there, they have the experience, they know that's how it is!