Dear Pro Life advocate...

I am pro life definitely and to answer your questions...I would take these children in in a heartbeat. There are thousands of people that would take these unborn babies in without even batting an eye, and there are thousands who would take in the other children that are already here and have been neglected as well. The thing about speaking out against mother's killing their children is that it is the Christ like thing to do. You have to speak truth into the world or your not doing your job. There is a song by Ray Boltz called, " What was I supposed to be". It's a song about all the unborn children. it's an awesome song and should be listened to by everyone even considering having an abortion. I would personally love for it to be heard while you were in the process of killing your babies. it would definitely make any decent human being think about what they were fixing to do. I know i know, what if the girl was raped or what if the choice of either the baby or the mother living without having an abortion? First, if i was raped and didn't feel like i could handle looking at that sweet baby due to flashbacks, i would give the baby up for adoption. that baby didnt do anything wrong nor did it ask to be concieved. Everything happens for a reason. if it were to come down to me or the child living, then i would just have to have faith that God would either save the both of us or that the one that was supposed to go on living would have a great testimony to share with the world. it shouldn't be our decision that decides the fate of a child or an adult, but God's decision. He knows His plans for you and sometimes you just have to believe in that and go on. I have heard many stories where doctors said either the mother will die or the baby will die and after much prayer and faith, both lived. You can't always base everything on word of mouth. thanks and God bless

By the same token have the pro-choice people ever had an abortion? Have you ever seen the devastation that some women feel during and afterward? I knew one woman that 15 years after the abortion she was still mourning the child. She had two dates a year to mourn the abortion and the expected due date or "birth day". Or have you ever talked to a child who was neglected or abused? Do we ask them if they would rather not have been born? I think all the cards should be on the table for this discussion from every perspective. Then we can truly know the impact of abortion not just our own beliefs or what we think is right or not. I would love to hear from more women who have had an abortion and what they think about it. I think even Dave Pelzer is glad to be alive and anyone who has read his story knows abuse doesnt get much worse. We need to quit fighting each other and talk about what is real, the feelings of those who have done it and the feelings of those who by the above description should have been aborted? Then maybe we get a full picture of the truth of abortion.

*chin hits the floor* BRAVO MIAMILADY!!! BRAVO!!! that is a FABULOUS post!! And to those Pro Lifers who say they WOULD do something..my question is this..What exactly are you doing NOW to help all the children miamilady just mentioned... Its all fine and well to SAY you'd do something, but its completely different to actually DO IT...What are you waiting for??

this sounds like a very good plan for there is alot of people out there that cant have children might then turn their minds to adopting.

You are absolutely correct. I have always been appalled at the 'prolifers' (what an oxymoron!) only being interested in the wellbeing of the unborn. As soon as they are born, the pros could care less. Personally, I would rather have been aborted by my parents, than be born into a world hostile or indifferent to me. And feeling that way, think that people that don't want children should in fact be encouraged and helped if necessary NOT to have any (for the childrens' sake!). Not that I am FOR abortion, but I think that its effect often is more beneficial than destructive for the above reasons.

The book of Proverbs chapter 6 and verse 16 through 19 says, "These six things the Lord hates, yes, seven are an abomination to him: A proud look, A lying tongue, HANDS THAT SHED INNOCENT BLOOD, A heart that devises wicked plans, Feet that are swift in running to evil. A false witness who speaks lies, And one who sows discord among brethren."

Wow! That actually makes sense...though I wouldn't have thought of it that way. It's anyone's choice what they do with their pregnancy...the only time I do not condone abortion is when it is repeatedly done as the couple do not want a baby. Having said that, I would have taken more babies into my home if I could afford to. In fact, as of now, we are trying to make our financial situation better so that we can adopt. We feel there are too many kids out there who have no one to take care of them and we might as well take them in instead of adding to the number of children by having more of our own. But I know people like us are few in number. Very well said...and I loved your discussion!

I am pro-life and I have two adopted sons, who are all grown up. The reason that we cannot take in all the children is that the social services has RULES. They know what parents are best for what child and although you want the children who are of mixed race, blacks, Native Americans, have mental or physical disabilities. Would you want children who have a chronic medical conditions to be adopted by parents who have no medical knowledge and who cannot afford a nurse to come in to check the child up, and the child die? There are parents who sponsor a child overseas, who help out at hospitals and hospices, but what about YOU? Are you helping out these poor children, giving your time and money to these causes? Do you put money in the collection plates for the poor at home and abroad? If there is a speaker on the people of Sudan who are getting murdered? Do you send a check? Or do you say, let the pro=lifers do it because those children did not deserve to be born. The only way you are wanting us to do more is so there will be no one to protest at the abortion clinics, no one to write letters protesting the killing of the unborn, no one who will stop you, because if you get your way, those who are against pro abortionists will not have any time.

Well said Miamilady. I respect the feelings of prolifers, they're entitled to their beliefs & to act on them in any legal manner. But it would seem to me that a far better & more meaningful investment of the time & energy of a PLer would be in creating programs to help women who feel like terminating is their best option for lack of support. I am absolutely pro choice, but I feel for women who choose termination solely because they don't have the support they need to raise a child. IMO the only reason a woman should terminate is that she doesn't wish to be a parent at this time, not she would want to be if she had xyz need met- does that make sense?

I cannot help but agree with this miamilady! For every protestor there are thousands of children being abused , neglected, abandoned or simply being sent from pillar to post in a care system that is often unequipped and understaffed with not enough money to look after the needs of the children they are responsible for! xxx

Hello dear miamilady. Life will be much easier for those kids whose parents cannot take care of them within their ability. And it will be easier for those parents to support themselves by going to some training schools to learn more to help support them to find a good job later on. By the way, speaking of adopting a kid in China, I don't think that it is an easy thing because the couple would have to be proved that they have no child of their own before they could adopt one...

I do agree with you. Much time is wasted in arguing instead of working on things. Its actually the same here in our country. Many people go to rallies, the church seems to join in politics and a lot of politicians fighting against each other. Our senate alone is doing a lot of investigations similar to a court hearing and are spending thousands each day on expenses. My thinking, is if instead of using there time on this silly things and putting the money for good use, our country could have improve. Some street children could have been given shelter and food.

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! That is exactly how I feel! I am pro-choice. Not pro-abortion, not anti-abortion. Pro-lifers seem to think that those of us who believe in choice are "Pro-abortion". It isn't about that! It is about what is best for each individual person. Why can't they see that? Why can't they understand that all we are saying is that we don't believe in forcing our opinion on abortion on everyone else. It should be up to me whether I decide to have an abortion or not. No one else! It is my freaking body. So, in addition to putting all of their rally crying energy into screaming at the pro-choicers into helping those that are already in the world instead, they should also put some energy into opening their closed minds. It would do them, and the world they are stomping around in, a lot of good!

Interesting post miamilady, But honestly, everyone is missing the point by arguing the wrong arguement. Before I posted I did a bit of research into this. I got this info from a number of places, including the CDC. For those who argue that there are enough children waiting for adoption that all lifers should adopt first, here are the facts. There are currently 523,000 kids in the foster care system. Of those, 129,000 are eligible for adoption. Adoption figures average about 120,000 adoptions every year. The facts are that most eligible children are in fact being adopted. I believe that more people would adopt if the process was easier and the costs were lower. I private adoption can cost up to $30,000! For those of you that argue about carrying a rapists child to term, of all abortions in the US, approximately 1% are due to rape and incest. Here are the numbers: Rape/Incest = 1% Health of baby/mother = 7% So only 8% of abortions are due to uncontrolable circumstances. Here are the rest of the numbers: Unready/immature = 32% Doesn't want more kids = 19& Can't afford baby = 23% Relationship problems = 8% Interfers with career/education = 4% Other = 6% So 86% of all abortions are due to irresponsible use of birth control, or lack thereof. And in this I am speaking to men as well. We are both responsbile for this. One last bit if information. Approximately 60% of all abortions in the U.S. are women from households making more than $30,000 annually I thought that this might be of interest to you guys.

This is a good discussion. I'd also like to add something. I often wonder about those pro-lifers who bomb places like Planned Parenthood. What on earth goes through their minds? They go on and on about how abortion is murder, yet it's ok to kill a bunch of innocent peoples' lives? Innocent people who most likely at that Planned Parenthood NOT for abortion, but for other reasons like birth control or to get their check-ups and what not. I don't get it!

I guess the day that women stop using abortion as a birth control method will be the day that I give up the fight. But, since that ain't happening anytime soon.... Have you ever thought, you meaning any pro-choice advocate, about what would happen to the world if you stopped using abortion as a birth control method? Have you ever thought about fighting harder for birth control and for sterilization for woman that do not want children? Adoption isn't for everyone and just because I fight the good cause for pro-life doesn't mean I could and should adopt all the orphaned and abused children out there. I do however, think that all these darn celeb's should be adopting from here instead of elsewhere....

Excellent discussion and so well put. I believe that everyone is entitled to their own opinion don't get me wrong and I know this is a very touchy subject and I applaud you for bringing it up, because sometimes I feel it does need to be discussed. I guess I'll jump from the frying pan and into the fire here so here it goes. I agree with everything that you have said here. I have first hand had to deal with this situation and it's not an easy one for a person to deal with. But look at the news now. Each and every day we see stories of kids that are being horribly abused or killed by parents who can't deal with the fact that they have these children and it breaks my heart because I love kids so much. These little ones didn't choose to be brought into this world or choose the horrible upbrining and treatment that they are getting and I strongly believe that our society needs to concentrate more on caring for these children than if it was the right or wrong decision that their parents made.~D

Awesome, excellent, magnificent post and so beautifully said! I agree with you totally and that's why I always dispute the use of the "pro life" label. As you said, if you're pro-life start helping the children that are here now, very much alive and born. Life doesn't end once the fetus becomes a living, breathing infant, that's just the beginning and we're letting these kids down terribly. Thank you for starting this discussion. Annie

I wish to say, without making anyone mad, that there are things that I do agree with about this post. I do agree that we need to do more to help the children of the world. Education is lacking in major funding, children who belong to deteriorating, abusive homes don't belong there and more needs to be changed within the system in order to get them out of there. I knew a girl who was given a "second chance" when it was more like her 4th to make things right in order to keep her children in her care...And when Child Services walked up and granted her another chance, they pulled up to find her 1 and 1/2 year old son standing out in the street by himself in a diaper while she was inside asleep, completely unaware that he had wandered outside because she had been up all night playing on the computer...Sickening...That's beside the point, what I'm trying to get at is yes, the children of NOW need to be helped NOW. But on the other side of the argument, while I am not one to agree with abortion as far as myself is concerned, it is not an act that I would ever follow through with, I am not one in place to judge another for committing such an act themselves. For one, we have not walked a mile in their shoes and experienced what they have felt. I am not going to use arguments such as rape, teen pregnancy, and lives at risk as there are many that already have and it is a constant argument that goes back and forth. One side says that, another side says another thing...So I won't even bother to touch on it as others have. I will have ended up making no point what-so-ever. The arguments that I will pose is, while I am all for adoption instead of abortion, I do not believe that abortion should be made illegal and unavailable to women who choose to go that route. For one, we are breaking a part of the Constitution by doing this...we are taking away that which this Country fights so desperately for and that is the freedom to make our own choices. It is a woman's choice....Granted, that is an age old argument as well...Another argument that I have, for anyone that says that they are a Christian, they should understand this comment. I was raised in a Christian household and there were many people that we spoke with and that we were friends with that had gone through with abortions and such. Why did we befriend them? Because they were not bad people. Why were they not bad people? Because everyone knows that it is not our right to judge another. We were not granted that right. So to judge another for committing an action that you are against is honestly going against beliefs of a Christian. The other thing I would like to add to this, in the original starting post I realized that one argument that was stated was mentioning that if those who were Pro-Live Advocates were to take their time helping the children of now instead of expelling that energy towards being Pro-Choicers that perhaps things would be better for the children of now. Not trying to be rude or mean in any way shape or form but the same goes for Pro-Lifers as well, if you would take the amount of energy that you use arguing your views with others and put it towards helping children that have been born, perhaps things would be different. Things like that work both ways you know. It's almost pointless to fight over who is right. The circumstances will always be the same. Those who agree and those who disagree. And even if it were made illegal, the more you try and prohibit an action, the more people press to find ways of committing that action anyway. I hope you all have a good day and realize that we are all on this Earth together whether we agree or disagree so for those of us that are here, why don't we all just make it the best that we can in the time that we each have left of our lives. Sleep Sweet MyLotters...I'm off for the night.

This is so true! Pro life people spend some much time worried about the life of an unborn baby that they forget how many children are waiting to be adopted and some who never get adopted. If they spent a little more time trying to figure out ways to help these children that are already with us things might just be a little better.