Our very first suspension

Canada
March 14, 2008 7:13pm CST
Yup, my daughter finally crossed the line and got her very first suspension. I received a call from the teacher yesterday, she sounded frantic and said I had to come pick my daughter up. They didn't know what triggered it but she lost control, was yelling, hitting, kicking and bitting anyone that came near her. They tried to remove her from the classroom but the aggression was so bad TWO adults had to pin her down while the teacher called me. When my husband got to the school, they still had her pinned down and she was still yelling bloody murder. I've had a meeting planned for a month with the principal, teacher and resource teacher for today to discuss about the possibility of having the district psychologist visit with my daughter. But because of yesterday's episode, I walked into a room of angry women who informed me that my daughter was being suspended for a day. Oh and they had another meeting to tend to! How important is my daughter to these people? I got to give my daughter's history to the resource teacher, a long boring story so she can relate to the district pshychologist however I doubt she even cared. And I mentioned that my daughter will now see this as a new way of getting out of school... I'm bad, they kick me out, so I'll continue to be bad... Right? that's how it works! OMG I don't what I'm going to do with this.
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@vanities (11395)
• Davao, Philippines
15 Mar 08
that was toughi guess you had to ask your daughter why she did that..how old is she??
• Canada
15 Mar 08
She is 9 years old When she got home she had no idea why everyone was so mad at her. I asked her to explain to me what happened and she just looks at me with a blank stare and shrugs her shoulders... then she goes on and on about having no friends!
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@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
15 Mar 08
I'm a Father of 4 boys and a Grandfather also. No one in the Family throws tantrums or gets their own way no matter what! There has never been any kicking or biting, and no aggression. None of my boys or grandchildren have ever been kicked out of school. It all begins with the Parents. Parents must be firm, but loving. Parents must have rules. Children need rules for guidance in their lives. These rules must be followed, so that the kids can depend on these rules. If a rule is enforced this week but not enforced next week it confuses the kids, and leaves them with no guidelines. Children are small adults, and will act that way. They can be persuaded just the same as you would persuade your neighbor next door, but on a smaller scale. Kids like to be treated like small adults, they have the same likes and dislikes.If a 9 yr old daughter is not acting like a young adult, its because she is not feeling like a young adult. She is troubled and needs help. Its obvious her parents also need help, because this problem started with the parents and they are not responding to it in a helpful manner. Nothing will be gained by blaming the child. She is just responding to her parents problem the best way she knows. Lets Hope her Parents get the Help they Need!
• Canada
16 Mar 08
Wow! Well instead of getting upset at this comment, I'm just going to say you don't know the history so it's ridiculous that you would judge me so unfairly. When children have disabilities or have special needs, being harsh towards the parents is what causes a lot of the problems, not the parenting itself! Now if my other (older) child was as wild or had the same issues, I might consider your suggestion to point the finger at myself. If I was such a horrible parent, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have been accepted to work as respite worker :) I will not believe in a million years that your children have never had a tantrum or never got their own way! Please!
• United States
22 Mar 08
I'm sorry Momma I must say something here . BareHugs, How incredibly uninsightful of you. If you have followed anything on her discussion forum you would see that her daughter has been diagnosed with a disability. DID YOU READ THAT..DISABILITY.. Ahdh/ADD is a disability where I child can have symptons of many things. Here are some things you should read before passing judgement on a parent and placing blame on them for something that is a medical condition.. http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/adhd/symptom.htm What Are the Symptoms? ADHD used to be known as attention deficit disorder, or ADD. In 1994, it was renamed ADHD and broken down into three subtypes, each with its own pattern of behaviors: 1. an inattentive type, with signs that include: inability to pay attention to details or a tendency to make careless errors in schoolwork or other activities difficulty with sustained attention in tasks or play activities apparent listening problems difficulty following instructions problems with organization avoidance or dislike of tasks that require mental effort tendency to lose things like toys, notebooks, or homework distractibility forgetfulness in daily activities 2. a hyperactive-impulsive type, with signs that include: fidgeting or squirming difficulty remaining seated excessive running or climbing difficulty playing quietly always seeming to be "on the go" excessive talking blurting out answers before hearing the full question difficulty waiting for a turn or in line problems with interrupting or intruding 3. a combined type, which involves a combination of the other two types and is the most common Although it can often be challenging to raise kids with ADHD, it's important to remember they aren't "bad," "acting out," or being difficult on purpose. And children who are diagnosed with ADHD have difficulty controlling their behavior without medication or behavioral therapy. What Causes ADHD? ADHD is not caused by poor parenting, too much sugar, or vaccines. ADHD has biological origins that aren't yet clearly understood. No single cause of ADHD has been identified, but researchers have been exploring a number of possible genetic and environmental links. Studies have shown that many children with ADHD have a close relative who also has the disorder. Although experts are unsure whether this is a cause of the disorder, they have found that certain areas of the brain are about 5% to 10% smaller in size and activity in children with ADHD. Chemical changes in the brain have been found as well. Recent research also links smoking during pregnancy to later ADHD in a child. Other risk factors may include premature delivery, very low birth weight, and injuries to the brain at birth. Some studies have even suggested a link between excessive early television watching and future attention problems. Parents should follow the American Academy of Pediatrics' (AAP) guidelines, which say that children under 2 years old should not have any "screen time" (TV, DVDs or videotapes, computers, or video games) and that kids 2 years and older should be limited to 1 to 2 hours per day, or less, of quality television programming. What Are Some Related Problems? One of the difficulties in diagnosing ADHD is that it's often found in conjunction with other problems. These are called coexisting conditions, and about two thirds of all children with ADHD have one. The most common coexisting conditions are: Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD) and Conduct Disorder (CD) At least 35% of all children with ADHD also have oppositional defiant disorder, which is characterized by stubbornness, outbursts of temper, and acts of defiance and rule breaking. Conduct disorder is similar but features more severe hostility and aggression. Children who have conduct disorder are more likely get in trouble with authority figures and, later, possibly with the law. Oppositional defiant disorder and conduct disorder are seen most commonly with the hyperactive and combined subtypes of ADHD. Mood Disorders (such as depression) About 18% of children with ADHD, particularly the inattentive subtype, also experience depression. They may feel inadequate, isolated, frustrated by school failures and social problems, and have low self-esteem. Anxiety Disorders Anxiety disorders affect about 25% of children with ADHD. Symptoms include excessive worry, fear, or panic, which can also lead to physical symptoms such as a racing heart, sweating, stomach pains, and diarrhea. Other forms of anxiety that can accompany ADHD are obsessive-compulsive disorder and Tourette syndrome, as well as motor or vocal tics (movements or sounds that are repeated over and over). A child who has symptoms of these other conditions should be evaluated by a specialist. Learning Disabilities About half of all children with ADHD also have a specific learning disability. The most common learning problems are with reading (dyslexia) and handwriting. Although ADHD isn't categorized as a learning disability, its interference with concentration and attention can make it even more difficult for a child to perform well in school. If your child has ADHD and a coexisting condition, the doctor will carefully consider that when developing a treatment plan. Some treatments are better than others at addressing specific combinations of symptoms. Ok after you read all of this and if you still blame her than you need to go back into parenting classes and need a little reeducation. MOMMA, Sorry But I Hate When Ignorant People Make Judgements.
• Canada
22 Mar 08
Not a problem hun :) In my response, I did not go into details about her needs but she had been diagnosed with ADHD, ODD and I'm still convinced we're dealing with bipolar as well. She's been on anti-psychotic meds since the incident and things are REALLY calm right now... watch me do the happy dance! Barehugs, I hope you do follow these replies and understand! If you still wish to pass judgement, that's your business but very unfair! In the end, parents must do what they have to do to survive the stress, even if that means to pour out their frustrations on public forums and risk judgement. I do want to add that yes I do believe add/adhd is often misdiagnosed. With my experience, if the child truly is plagued with such a disability, symptoms would be apparent since birth or very early on in life. ADD/ADHD isn't something that happens overnight. My daughter has been a handful since conception... now a lot of people chuckle when I say that but I have the medical file to prove it. I went through 4 labours during my pregnancy, thankful that doctors were able to keep everything under control until it was safe for her to arrive. As a baby she cried more than most, NEEDING to be in MY arms, no one elses. If she wasn't in my arms, she was in the same room. Do you know how heartbreaking it is to leave a 4 month old baby with a babysitter and they call you not even an hour later telling you to pick up the demon child? Don't tell me that my parenting was so bad that I created a demon child within 4 months! Unfortunately, I heard those very same words many many times from different other people. Public school has been quite a challenge. Unfortunately, because people like you pass judgement (and work in the school system) we are slowly losing this battle. My child's education is suffering because people fail to see her needs and expect her to behaviour like every other little 9yr old. They neglect the doctor's notes in her file explaining she is emotionally, socially and intellectually behind about 2 yrs. They neglect the fact that my daughter's schedule needs to be altered to fit her needs. They neglect her cues when she tells them she needs a time out. All because of judgement. It's a true sin.
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
22 Mar 08
I do not know what to do in this case. Your daughter needs help and from what I read of your comments about her having attention deficit disorder, she needs a structure and a ten minute talk with a psychologist will not do it. Have you considered a tutor? She cannot work in a regular classroom, she needs one in one attention and a strict schedule to get down and study because she is not going to survive being unable to complete her schooling. Now this part about the strict schedule I learned at one of the Nanny shows, it was either Nanny 911 or Supernanny and it did make sense. Homeschooling her might be a good idea, if you do not cater to her whims and as for the adults, the teachers have your daughter's best interest and want her to pass her grades and go on to the next one. Would you rather have them not care two cents about her? As for the other ladies, I would just ignore them unless they were teachers and then they should have not blamed you for a situation that your daughter was born with.
• Canada
22 Mar 08
I don't believe the adults in the school system care about my daughter. She is the problem child of the school and I'm sure they would all be too happy to get rid of her HOWEVER I sense a fear of failure among them as well. I've told them time and time again I want this school year to work out. Every year so far, I've had to pull her out in March because no one, including my daughter can handle it anymore. My 9 yr old is in grade two (repeated grade one) and is miserably failing. Should she repeat grade two? I don't think so. I was very adamant with the school system for her to repeat grade one (because they don't believe in keeping a child back here) but I'm not going to encourage the possibility of repeating another grade. In my opinion, she is failing only because the system is failing to meet her needs. If they would listen to me, to my daughter, to the letters in the file, and support my daughter, then she could possibly enjoy school for once. Depending on their response next Friday will determine whether we pull her out or not. I was so strongly commited to keep her in school til June this year. I was going to try ANYTHING... even sitting in class with her on days she finds it difficult (wednesday and friday) but in the end, if the school doesn't do their part, it will never work out!
@jillmalitz (5131)
• United States
22 Mar 08
It is a shame that we tend to lump people into groups that may or may not be a group someone should be in. I hope that somehow someone will realize who is in need of real help and not just a chronic misbehaving person. Hang in there. I am on your side,for whatever that is worth.
@bellaofchaos (11538)
• United States
22 Mar 08
MommaofAllTrades, I'm sorry that this has happened. You daughter should be given a TSS that can handle this situation not kick her out of school. My son use to do this and they would have to remove him from the class room until he settled down and then they put him back in the class once he settled down and before he went into the classroom the let him know that the outburst he had cost him his recess time. I think that the school could have and should have handle it differently. I'm sorry that you are going through this. Have you talked to her doctor after this incident? Talk to all that are treating her and tell them that she needs a TSS and that you appeal the decision if they say no.
• United States
22 Mar 08
I can feel your pain I wish the school would be more for your daughter than for themselves. I'm so sorry that this is happening. I feel that the school and the pychiatrist are failing you. I hope that you and your husband can find someone that is for your daughter and that if you do go back to homeschooling things improve with her. Good luck and if you need to talk you have my email.
• Canada
22 Mar 08
The purpose of the meeting was to bring in a psychologist to see my daughter because apparently that is the proper protocol... At the meeting, I found out that the district will not allow any special care for this school because it's a small school (in the country) If I want my daughter to have a TSS or a behaviour mentor, I have to move to the city. We are suppose to meet next Friday to discuss and develop a 'behaviour' management chart for my daughter. This is where I'm going to lay it all on the table and say THIS IS HER SCHEDULE THAT *YOU* MUST ALL FOLLOW. and if I get any flack, I'm pulling her out. I've made up my mind, my daughter is going to be first and if they can't handle that, then she doesn't belong there! I did phone her psych to notify her of the outburst and suspension. I got the voice mail, so I left a VERY detailed message with a request they call back and guess what? NOTHING!! So I'm done, I give up with the medical profession as well. I've been really busy all week studying and researching going all natural. I mentioned that she is now on meds and things are calm but once her prescription is done, I don't think I'm going to bother trying to renew it. I've been requesting additional help since our original chat and I'm getting no where with it. Hubby and I have discussed this over and over again and we truly feel that the best thing for her is to be around people who actually give a damn and if the school can show some sort of leaniance towards her needs, we're homeschooling. If the docs can't be bothered to be concerned, we don't need that stress. I am sooooo fed up!
• Canada
22 Mar 08
I do! Thanks a million!
@violeta_va (4831)
• Australia
15 Mar 08
you ask how important your daughter is to them I belive not at all. They want nice little angels in their classrooms they dont want to work harder to help a child out I once heard a mother and principle at my school talk the mother said I am seriusly thinking of sending my child to a different school and the principal say : you will be doing all of us a big favour. Good luck
@djmarion (4898)
• Philippines
15 Mar 08
kids today are very hard to deal with, i also don't know why and where the hell did they learn those cruel words and actions. my niece during her elementary years got the same problem too, she always get into trouble with her bully classmates and in result she became a frequent visitor in the guidance office, being her guardian i often get a call from her school asking for my presence regarding that matter. i am so ashamed of her and so mad that i wanted to spank her that time.
@carmelanirel (20942)
• United States
15 Mar 08
I am sorry, Momma, I know another mylotter is also having problems with their daughter and is seeking help. Do you have insurance so you can get your own counselor? Or maybe someone through the county or something? She does need help, I hope you find it soon..