Fate or Human Error?

Hi Darkwing, A very interesting discussion, and I'm sure you'll get some differing answers as well. Some people are afraid to take chances in life, so they do very little and often regret it later in life. Examples might be the man or woman who never have a romantic relationship for fear of getting hurt, someone who has a great business idea, but is afraid of failure, or one who listens to others and chose a more 'realistic' career, then what they know is what they want. These are the people who regret NOT doing something, so you see it works both ways. I think there must be a plan for our life here, we may have even played a part in setting up that plan. There are people we are meant to meet, places we are meant to visit, and yes even trains we are meant to take. We think we are free to make our own choices, but maybe those choices have already been made for us! Blessings.

I guess i believe that although we can shape a lot of what our lives bring ultimately there are some things that just are and you cannot avoid! It is like my Grandad said 'what is for you won't go by you Yes you can make decisions that will make your life happier, easier, wealthier, poorer, harder etc but the big things in life as I said just are! I guess that means I like to have my cake and eat it but it is just the way I see life and its wonderful roller coaster experience! xxx'

I think mostly its fate for what happenes to you . now ya have choises be right or wrong . Going down that trail and cllaing on the wrong fork to go to. if ya dont go to far you just might need to back up and go the oether way. LIke When I meat 2nd hubby it just had to be fate and we both thought so for we found out that when heyoung he couldnt get enough of reading about a copper mine and other things in Utah (thats where I went to school) and I had to write a report on a state I picked TEnn,(thats where he was from) He knew albout Utah things and I knew all about Tenn thing we thought that fate brought us together for us doing that many years before. DO you also think it was fate or choices that we made?

I think that fate and lessons learned from experience go hand in hand. I think programmer pretty much covered me on this one. But I believe in fate and that things work out as they should. We can tweak things as we should but the universe is far greater than we are. Things- bad and good happen for a reason and in the ned we find out what that reason is. I pride myself on the fact that I have made many mistakes and full on blame myself for them especially in the relationship area but there are plenty of other areas as well. Through these mistakes, I have learned valuable information that I have used to better myself. This has resulted in better decisions and a better sense of self. I'm an all around better person. The only person I can blame for my mistakes is myself, we all make our own choices. The hope is too learn and become a better person which is harder than playing the blame game which just leads you nowhere.

I think most of the people who comprise them for their failure by saying like " its all fate".But person who don't have the power to enjoy the juice of success said like this.Everything happens only by u that results in good or bad.if bad things happened take it as a lesson to achieve success.if good things happened take it as motivation factor and keep going on.my brother told me that" mistakes are the secret of success.so i don't believe on fate

I believe these crashes occur because of the thrill of the unknown, if that makes any sense. Taking chances, hitting and missing, etc. But half the time, horrible outcomes are the product of this. Probably the reason for the saying curiousity killed the cat. But at the end of the day, people have to take risks in order to be successful (good or bad) just look at the stock market or entrepreneurs. Its really hard to say if I can alter fate because if u think u r altering, who says that what you doing wasn't your fate to begin with? Something to think about?

well some things are left to fate. with this, i remember i was watching a forensic file. the train was running 30 minutes late due to an airconditioning failure. the rail bridge was struck by a barge, just 8 minutes before the train passed by the bridge. it killed people and hundreds injured. you see, if the train was not running late, they would have gone passed the bridge even before the barge hit the railroad, causing it to deform.

It all depends on the people we are. Some are risk takers and they take that fatal step because they hope that leaving for another city, investing in the stock market, will pay off. Others take risks because they lose hope. Things are bad at home so you join the circus, you marry the first man who comes around, you decide to sleep with your boyfriend not because you feel it is right, but because you want to leave home and once he has slept with you, he has made a commitment. We all make these decisions that in foresight we should not have. Those who study the market and know the risks, and those who see that there will be better jobs in another city are the ones that succeed. So you have to feel in your heart it is right, and it is not fate. These decisions were supposed to have bad consequences because you did not think things through. It could be not having enough money, finding the job only paid $8.00 an hour, you have to clean the tiger cages not train the tigers? It is your own bad choices.

I think, and say aloud often, everything is connected. If it's when I find myself saying to someone, "Oh, you know i was just thinking about that earlier today!" or a more physical 'connection', like this instance that I had happen just earlier today. Jokingly, my husband and I were arguing over who would go get gas in the tank. Inevitably I lost, or so I thought. I ended up running into my deceased father's best friend at the station. I've only seen him about 3 or 4 times since my father's passing in early 2004. Somehow I can't help but feel it was 'supposed' to happen that way. My dad has been on my mind a lot (I think this is already my 3rd mention of him in about 20 posts lol) and it just felt so great to see him, someone he was connected to in a different way than my mother or my sisters. I felt the connection of friendship that my dad had for Al, who happens to also ponder these types of things very often. So finding this specific post, on this specific day, to me, is connected somehow. Maybe I'm too simple. There are a lot of other ways that things 'just happen', and I think there is just a reason more than anything - a lesson learned from an unwise decision, a friend you make who makes a difference in your life, even if it's a hug at a gas station. In the end, these things will or do connect to or with something somehow. There's a reason you learn lessons, there's a reason you met that particular person, and I feel that's the reason I lost my bid to not have to pump gas. Had I not run into him, maybe my reason/fate would be to save my husband the trouble, which in turn would increase the likelihood he would save some trouble sometime. So if fate means reasons, then yes, maybe I believe. Simple or complex, it all comes around again sooner or later. I don't really think that such things can be altered. We can't change the way a circle looks; it either is or isn't. It seems to me that everything must be connected, or else nothing is connected at all. And if we consider our connections (physical, spiritual, familial, social, pleasure, religious, and just any wanted or unwanted connections) as making us who or what we are, then no, we cannot change who or what comes our way - only how we deal with it. That being said, obviously everyone's 'fate' is as unique as his or her life, but it does exist (whatever word you give it), and everything connects one to the self, and not even the self can take it away.

things happwen for a reason and i belive in fate