What are your views on Evolution?
By HawaiiGopher
@HawaiiGopher (1009)
Belgium
March 26, 2008 7:33pm CST
I've decided to stick this in the religion section considering the fact that there tends to be a clash with Evolutionists and Creationists.
So, I ask you all (believers and non-believers), what are your views on evolution? Do you support it? Do you find it flawed? Why do you, or do you not, believe in it? Have you ever received education on evolution?
Personally, I'm a firm supporter of the evolution "theory." I've had a whole unit dedicated to evolution in intermediate/middle school and found all the proof sufficiently convincing. I actually found it a bit odd that despite all the proof there actually remained people that did not believe in it.
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@rpegan (596)
• United States
27 Mar 08
I'm a firm believer in evolution. On a smaller scale, evolution can be witnessed in cellular life. Evidence exists for the evolution of other species. I personally performed a study on the evolution of the modern day horse, and there are interesting (and somewhat obvious) transitions from one age to the next.
I'm not trying to change the beliefs of "Creationists" or the thinly veiled "intelligent design" supporters, but this is what makes sense to me. I'm not changing my beliefs, and I won't do the same things to anyone else.
@Galena (9110)
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27 Mar 08
evolution makes sense.
you just have to look at dog breeds, and how they are different for different parts of the world, or different uses, where those that have certain characteristics have been bred together, to make those features more dominant.
so it makes perfect sense that wild animals with features that equip them better to survive will reach breeding age, breed, and pass on those features.
so yes, I have no problem whatsoever in beleiving in evolution.
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@Galena (9110)
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28 Mar 08
over time, it makes perfect sense that that is what could happen.
if you think how long the world has been about, then I can see it perfectly feasable that new species will come from old ones.
look at pictures of, say, a bulldog from 100 years ago. compare it to the bulldog of today. that's one lifetimes worth of change.
it happens at a pace we can see it happening.
over hundreds and thousands of years, it's perfectly likely that a hairy semi-biped can become a less hairy, fixed hipped and fully upright biped
@amymelissa (136)
• Australia
27 Mar 08
This kind of evolution makes sense, there is solid proof and we can see it happening before our eyes. But what the evolution of one species to another? ie. apes to humans?
@bonbon664 (3466)
• Canada
27 Mar 08
Evolution makes good sense to me. I think there is sufficient scientific evidence to support it. There are tons of layers of fossils to prove how the species have changed over eons.
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@TravisE (440)
• United States
28 Mar 08
I believe in evolution. But, I do not feel that conflicts with a belief in God. In fact there are very few phenomenon in the world that support the concept of God more strongly.
Most Evolutionist theory attempts to explain the world solely in mechanistic Physics terms. The problem is that one of the core concepts of Physics is the law of entropy - all systems are not perfect and produce waste and break down overtime. If the universe solely ran on the laws of physics then we would expect to see nothing but a slow degradation.
Life shows that, that is not the case. Over time life tends to organize into more and more complicated formations. It builds up while the "laws" of Physics would indicate the system of life should be breaking down.
Something is pushing life upward, into ever higher formations. I call that thing God.
@HawaiiGopher (1009)
• Belgium
28 Mar 08
Actually, I'd have to disagree with you on that. There comes, of course, complications to your statement.
Entropy, as you nicely put it, is indeed 'breaking down over time.' However, you also have to take into consideration something extremely important about entropy. It only increases in an isolated area. (The idea of an 'isolated area' is, of course, only to be taken into consideration for educational purposes. There is no such thing as a truly isolated area.)
@HawaiiGopher (1009)
• Belgium
28 Mar 08
Well, I was originally talking about your statement that 'life should be breaking down.' But I also don't agree that there needs to be a higher entity involved to keep Evolution going. However, I don't really want to get into that since it'd be a whooole other topic. I want to remain focused on Evolution here.
@candyandhoney (146)
• China
27 Mar 08
I have received education on evolution from high school. I partly agree with the evolutionary theory. Darwin's biological evolution theory is based on his experiments for years. I do believe it is logical. Personally, theory is just a theory waiting for more verified by history or reality. I believe in science which consists of all sorts of theories. Believe it or not is not a big problem for us. On the other hand, I am not a frim supporter of either sides concerning evolution and creation. Perhaps both of them are partly right.It is early for us to drow a certain conclusion.
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@NotaBene (111)
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27 Mar 08
My beliefs are sort of mixed. I do believe that god created life, but only in the form of single celled organisms. He gave them the ability to evolve into new and greater things. I am a firm believer in the evolution theory, but it is yet unable to scientifically explain where the very first sign of life came from.
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@revdauphinee (5703)
• United States
27 Mar 08
no problem here since to the Lord a day is as a thousand years what difference does it make if creation took seven days or seven thousand years he is still behind it !
-One day is like 1,000 years,
(2Pet.3:8. But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. )
@revdauphinee (5703)
• United States
27 Mar 08
convenient or not its truth so it dosent bother me one way or the other !
@HawaiiGopher (1009)
• Belgium
28 Mar 08
Actually, I'm sorry revdauphinee, but I've gone off and done some research.
Now, the first thing to take into consideration is the context this is put in. In this part of the Bible it is stating that one should not lose hope in God for his lack of rapidity. That God is patient and not bound to the same time as we are.
Also, there is an important word to denote here, the word like. This here shows that this is meant to be a simile. It's meant to contrast the shortness of a day and a thousand years. In other words, God can create what nature accomplishes in thousands of years in a mere day.
I'm also hearing that this comes into play with a previous part of the Bible in which the Apostle Peter says, (Psalm 90:4) "For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just by, or like a watch in the night."
It's clear that these parts can also mean to show the clear inferiority of mankind in comparison to God. We are mere mortals compared the greatness of God.
At least, according to the Bible. ;)
@deepti15 (1190)
• India
28 Mar 08
If there is a God and he were to do ANYTHING concerning the Earth or Universe, it would have to have some type of mathematical equation to it. Everything that happens from your movements to the way plants grow, to the heat of the sun itself have some type of equation and mathematical principle behind them. Even if scientists are unaware of them at the present time. Gravity itself is a good example. Gravity has a set equation to govern it. Yet if an apple is falling and you stick your hand out to catch it, then you have interfered with it hitting the ground. You have not changed the law of gravity though. All you have done is introduced a new variable into it.
Anything God could have or did do, would also logically have a mathmatical equation behind it. The truth is no one knows the ultimate driving force behind the creation of the world. God could have instigated the "Big Bang", but there is no way of knowing, since life was not around before it.
So if you want to believe God created life, then do so. If you don't want to believe, you can do that as well.
Science is too young to know the answers to everything. Science can also never prove nor disprove the existance of God since any physical act that happens in our Universe would have some type of principle behind it
@vijigopi (991)
• United States
27 Mar 08
I am like in the middle!! I don't believe that God created everything in 6 days or something to that effect, but I don't think that all this started from nothing too. There had to be some cause, something that was an exception to the normal way things were going on then, and that caused everything including evolution!! I believe that cause came from that thing we call God!!
@amymelissa (136)
• Australia
27 Mar 08
"it's not proven by Charles Darwin!"
It's not proven by anyone actually. =D
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@HawaiiGopher (1009)
• Belgium
27 Mar 08
Not proven? I'm sorry but that's probably the most outrageous thing I've ever heard considering the piling amount of evidence that has been coming through for the past century.
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@arjun999 (1004)
• India
2 Apr 08
Evolution is a scientific fact. It has been proven and its being proved every time we get a new fossil. But certain religious people turn a blind eye to it no matter what. We cannot argue as they wont listen to reason. So they best way is to let them believe what they want. People who dont want the truth wont get the truth. Truth is not always sweet.
@megumiart (3771)
• United States
27 Mar 08
I'm extremely nuetral about evolution. I don't think god or some all powerful being just made us up, but at the same time it's very very hard for me to believe that the earth is billions of years old. I'm not really sure what I believe when it come to evolution and the prehistoric history of the world :/
@rup011 (725)
• Germany
2 Apr 08
I do not believe in evolution. A human skeleton has been discovered side by side with a skeleton of dinosaur at the same crust level. How do you explain that? many other proofs have been found which clearly indicates intelligent humans were there even before the apes. Moreover still the missing link has not been found, which Darwin said would be found one day. If you really want to know the flaws of Darwin's theory of evolution, see 'Msterious Origins of man - forbidden archeology". It can be found on youtube. These facts have been presented by scientists, not me. So have a look at it.
@HawaiiGopher (1009)
• Belgium
4 Apr 08
Give me the sources of your proof against the Evolution and I'll be glad to clarify certain things for you. Unfortunately, I cannot watch your video as my connection is not capable of handling long videos. Could you possibly write a small recap of what the video speaks of?
@amymelissa (136)
• Australia
27 Mar 08
Hi there. I am a Christian and I have been quite facsinated by the subject of Evolution vs Creation. My beliefs tell me that the world was Created...and I am more than happy to accept that. But I have read various books on the topic and amd leaning further and further away from Evolution as the beginning of the universe.
The first thing I need to do is state is that there are two types of Evolution:
Micro-Evolution (the evolving or mutating of creature within a species)
Macro-evolution (the evolving or mutating of creatures from one species to another)
I have no issues with micro-evolution...it is survival of the fittest, something that I view as part of God's plan. I cannot deny that this is happening, scientists can prove this.
One thing I'm not sure you're aware of is that scientists cannot prove (as in they do not have the solid evidence) to state Evolution as the beginning of the universe as any more than a theory. In my research I have read various books by once-athesists & respected scientists who find that they cannot fully accept Evolution as the beginning of the universe.
There is a lot more I could say, but I'll leave it here for now. One thing I have found a bit odd is that despspite all the flaws and doubts surrounding Evolution that people will teach it to our children as truth when in fact it is no more than a theory.
www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v22/i1/creation.asp - an online article regarding Creation. It is a Christian-based site but still an interesting read.
@headhunter525 (3548)
• India
27 Mar 08
amymelissa,
I am a Christian too. I grew up reading answeringenesis but I have moved away from their position. Reason being that their theology is based on bad interpretative principle, and their way of doing science is rejected overwhelmingly by the scientific community, even the Christians who are doing science. To know what other Christians who are expert in science say about it you can check http://www.st-edmunds.cam.ac.uk/faraday/Multimedia.php. They are band of committed Christians who are well versed in the subject trying to integrate Christian faith with science. You can check out the writings Alister mcGrath (Ph.D in theology and Ph.D Science), Ernest Lucas (Ph.D in both) John Polkinghorne (physicist-theologian), Francis Collins (National Director, Human Genome Project) and others who are Christians and who believe in macro- evolution too. I would really request you to read other writings by Christians and not just the writings of Ken Ham or JOnathan Sarfati or Carl Wieland et al. I believe these latter writers have misunderstood the Bible. Their biblical interpretation is overwhelmingly rejected by the theologians.
@headhunter525 (3548)
• India
28 Mar 08
I have read Lee's books The Case for Faith, and The Case for Christ, but not read yet The Case for Creator. One reason was why I have not read the latter book was that he interviewed people's whose works I am familiar with. So I thought that it may not worth my money! Those guys who Lee interviewed mostly believed in ID, Intelligent Design, which I find rather wanting as a scientific explanation for the formation of present life. To me they used god-of-the-gap argument, meaning we cannot explain this mechanism therefore god must be imported here to explain the mechanism. The problem with such explanation is that when science advances many of such 'mysteries' are unravelled. In fact, many of what ID proponents called irreducible complexity is now found to be not really irreducibly complex. That's the way I see it.
Francis Collins has written a book called The Language of God. Collins being the Director of Human Genome Project is apt to write on such a subject. And he gave arguments in support of evolution. But one thing is that I find most Christians in the US opposing evolution tooth and nail, whereas Christians from other countries do not find evolution challenging the Christian faith. Evolution, in fact, is not atheistic nor theistic... it's just doing science, but I am little curious why US christians are so opposed to it. May be there is some sociological reason. I don't see theological reason to oppose to evolution.
@amymelissa (136)
• Australia
27 Mar 08
Hey, thanks for your responses.
To headhunter...thanks for that link. I've never looked too deeply into what answers in genesis says but I needed something quick to help back up my point. Probably not the best choice, but some things can't be helped. I've got most of my information in regards to this topic from books called "The Case for a Creator", "The Case for Faith" by Lee Strobel and "What's With the Mutant in the Microscope" by Kevin Johnson & James White. The latter book is aimed at mid-teens (which was when I first read the book) and helped me understand what micro & macro evolution was etc. The Lee Strobel books are slightly different. Lee is a once-atheist journalist. He interviews specialists and well-known & respected scientists & theologians, both Christian and non-Christian to get a really in depth and critical look into what's really happening.
HawaiiGopher... I'm going to give you an excerpt from the book "A Case for Faith" in regards to evolution: "Miller and Urey re-created what they considered to be the atmosphere of the primitive earth (methane, ammonia, hydrogen, and water) in a laboratory and shot electircity through it to simulate the effects of lightning. Before long, they found that some amino acids - the building blocks of life - had been created. ... More recent scientific thoughts suggests that natural theories of life arising on its own no longer appear valid. For instance, since 1980, NASA scientists have shown that primitive earth did not have methane, ammonia, or hydrogen in any significant amounts."
And even if any of this were to happen British physicist P.C.W. Davies has concluded that the odds against the initial conditions being suitable for the formation of stars - which are necessary for planets and thus life - is a 1 followed by at least a thousand billion billion zeroes.
@kulaskulasito (430)
• United States
31 Mar 08
I thought that this whole brouhaha has been settled many many years ago.
As far as I know, there is no conflict.
Evolution is a science which can be substantiated by facts, theories, laws and research. It is something that is verifiable using scienfitic methods and procedures. What evolution tries to answer is the HOW of creation. It tries to go through a rigorous reconstruction of the past events which were instrumental in making us who we are right now. It tries to discover the elements which brought us into the state where we are right now.
As such, it does not say anything about WHY are we created.
Religion testimonies of Genesis for instance does not tell of a science. It is a myth which tries to unravel the mystery of being created. It is concerned about the truth of our existence. We cannot take Genesis as a scientific account of the beginning of creation, as if a certain person was watching how the world was created. Religious testimony of creation does not explore HOW the world was created, BUT WHY it was in the very first place.
The two are in different planes. They won't even intersect. Say that because God loves us that he created this world for us does not exactly nullify that, in order to show that love and create the world, there was first a BIG BANG which started the whole point of evolution. Seven days of creation in the Bible does not impinge into the scientific fact that it took nearly 4 billion years for the first man to be jumpstarted, since our world started to orbit our middle-aged sun.
Religious testimonies should not be confused with the findings of science. That be tragic, if not way too medieval.
@rogue13xmen13 (14403)
• United States
27 Mar 08
I'm a Darwinist and Agnostic. I believe in survival of the fittest and that one force or higher power created a life and said, "Okay, life, my work is done, take it from here". Evolution makes a lot more sense than religion does. We had to come from something, we had to develop somehow and we all had to go through a process, and we have all had to fight for survival. Anyone who says that they do not have to fight to survive is kidding themselves. Think about those sperm that had to fight to get to that egg. Think about your development in your mother's womb, that was a process. Then think about your journey throught the birth canal, you had to fight to get out. The birthing process is Darwinism at work. Everything has Darwinism written all over it. Now, we did not directly come from apes (people always make mistakes on this theory), we branched out from apes. There were millions of other apes and ape species prior to ourselves and they all came from other apes. Again, we branched out. The only reason we are still here is because we are humans and we kill. We had to eliminate other apes similar to ourselves in order to be the dominate ape species left. We are the most dangerous of them all folks, and I am sorry to those who do not embrass or admit that they are human because you are only hurting yourselves by not coming to terms with it. Denial can be just as bad as the truth. People are animals, we are. We have to kill to survive, even though we would rather not think about that, we have to fight everyday to stay alive, even though we do not like to think about that either, and we have to co-exist with other animals in order to feed ourselves, again, another thing that we hate thinking about. Religion likes to deny what we are, but we are who we are, animals. Do animals excrete liquids and feces? They do and so do people. Do animals eat? Yes, so do people. Do animals have to live with other animals? Yes, they have to in order to live, people have to as well if they really want to live. Many of the things that animals do, people do those things as well.
@headhunter525 (3548)
• India
27 Mar 08
I am a Christian, and I am not a Creationist. I believe in evolution, however, I am a creationist. I am a creationist as in the sense that God is the source of life, but I am not Creationist because I don't believe that God brings the universe into existence in 6X24 hour duration. The evolution as a scientific 'theory' or rather paradigm has been around for 150 years and there is no other paradigm that can dislodge that. Of course I should mention that there has been some kind of 'refinement' made wrt to evolution as a 'theory'.