When do you say enough is enough?
By TriciaW
@TriciaW (2441)
United States
April 3, 2008 6:15am CST
There is only a little over a month left in school and I am so frustrated with our school it is driving me nuts. This morning my daughter was telling me how her teacher yelled at her and said if she didn't understand her work she will get a detention. OK that I didn't like but then she tells me a couple days ago he called the whole class idiots. I understand that teachers get frustrated but I do not think it is helpful for a teacher to put children down for not understanding things. If I hadn't already got mad in the past couple of weeks about a child not being punished when attacking another student I wouldn't hesitate to call but it seems things go in one ear and out the other in the administration. What would you do? She I just hope school gets over soon or do I call and rip them again? Will it do any good?
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18 responses
@tessah (6617)
• United States
3 Apr 08
id skip calling the school altogether, youve tried that and got no where. go over their heads and call the superintendent, voice your other complaints as well as this new one, and let him know that youve made attempts with the admin peoples at the school and were ignored.
@TriciaW (2441)
• United States
3 Apr 08
It actually has been the superintendent I have been talking to his office is in the school. It is really sad because I only had one other time when I called him 2 years ago and jumped him about my older daughter and to this day if I go into the school he runs and hides.
@sunshine4 (8703)
• United States
3 Apr 08
I would make a phone call to the principal and ask for a meeting with him, the teacher and the superintendent. Also bring along a friend to be there as an impratial person.
Then I would address the situation. Something should be done if this teacher is calling the students idiots!! Is this an older teacher that maybe needs to retire?
I don't care that you complained before, you may be the parent from H*ll for the school, but you are just sticking up for your child!
Stand your ground. If you know other parents from your daughters class, see if they will complain with you. There is strengh in numbers.
@sunshine4 (8703)
• United States
4 Apr 08
Thanks~ I have alot of experience complaining to teachers and principals and even administrators from thing that have happened with my kids in school.
I have learned to stick up for my kids rights.
I am one of those parents that the principal hates to get a phone callfrom.
@KissThis (3003)
• United States
3 Apr 08
I'm not sure that it would do much good for you to go to the school alone to complain about how a teacher is behaving. Maybe you could call a few other parents up to see if you can get a group of parents together to handle the situation. I have found that when trying to deal with a teachers behavior that it is always best to have several parents complaining all at once. That way the teacher or even the principal can't try to say that your child is just making it up. No matter what I wouldn't be able to keep my mouth shut. Children need encouragement not to be down graded by an adult.
@TriciaW (2441)
• United States
3 Apr 08
Parents don't like to talk to this teacher cause he makes them feel stupid. At conferences he intimidated a lot of the parents because this teacher loves to talk over people's heads.. he picked the wrong parent to do that too because I have a great deal of business back ground and knew what he was talking about so let him know I did and told him if that was the way he talked to the kids none of them would understand him because that was what you learn in college. He didn't know how to respond to me*L*
@MH4444 (2161)
• United States
3 Apr 08
I am a teacher by degree, even though I no longer teach in a "job". I can tell you that the behavior the teacher is displaying is not allowed in the class. What you need to do is visit the class with-out warning to see the behavior yourself. When the teacher asks why discuss things with your child's teacher. Then, if there is an issue there, go to the principle.
@TriciaW (2441)
• United States
3 Apr 08
I like that idea. This teacher won't ever meet with me. My daughters both have IEPs and he never comes to them he has excuses. The other teachers do though and I have brought up other concerns in the IEP that are about him but he can't run from me if I go and sit in on his class. Thanks for the idea.
@CatsandDogs (13963)
• United States
3 Apr 08
Tricia, get on that phone or get in your car and march your butt in that office and chew that moron out and give him a new A hole because how dare he call the kids idiots!! And telling your daughter she'll get detention if she doesn't understand?! What the hell?! Oh I'd be one hot mama and that jerk would know it too. THIS is the very reason why I quit school when I was in the 9th grade. Because I was told that because I didn't ask questions during class I had to take my seat and figure it out. I explained the reason I didn't ask during class was because I wanted/needed one on one time with the teacher so I'd feel more comfortable but I got told to go back to my seat and figure it out. So much of that and other things is why I quit because if they weren't going to help me then who was? Nobody because my mother didn't know squat about the things we were being taught in school so I was on my own.
@luckycharm00812 (621)
• United States
3 Apr 08
I had a similiar issue when I was in high school, and here's how my mother took care of it.
Instead of calling, she went into the school first thing in the morning and talked to the principle. My teacher and I had a disagreement about what the purpose of a study guide was. She would give us a study guide, and it was useless on a test. After our discussion, she told me, now she know what kind of person I was, and what kind of family I came from. Needless to say, this should not be said to any student by a teacher.
My mom talked to the principle, and instead of compromising, she told them she wanted me removed from the class. Dispite them telling her she needed to sit through a meeting and whatnot. By the afternoon, she had heard nothing back from the principle about a final decision. She called back and told them if she didn't recieve a phone call back within one hour, she was going to the State Board of Education, and have them take care of the problem.
The next day, I had a new teacher, and the teacher was not allowed to speak to me.
I passed the class with an A, and had no more issues.
So if you want to say something, don't play the games. Decide what you want, and stick to it. Let them know you're incharge and they can't just walk all over you and let it pass.
Hope this helps!
@carmella (496)
• United States
4 Apr 08
My experience with the public schools was very much the same as yours. I talked until I was blue in the face, and spent way more time in the schools office than I cared to. I had a son with cancer, that was allowed out in the snow against my wishes and ended up in the hospital with double pnuemonia, and the teacher and principal felt they did nothing wrong!
That was one of very many issues, then I said enough is enough, and I pulled everyone out of school, and started homeschooling. That was almost 20 years ago, now my youngest two 11 and 10 have never seen the inside of a school other than the colleges their older brother and sister have attended.
I will never again allow my children to be subjected to the neglagence of the public school systems.
Good luck, I hope things get better for you both! If you'd like any info on homeschooling, feel free to ask.
@dfinster (3528)
• United States
3 Apr 08
Even if you did call a few weeks ago about another incident I would definately get on the phone again and be letting them know what's going on. A teacher doesn't have any business calling students idiots. Or putting someone in detention if it's because they simply don't understand the material. It's the teacher's job to help the students understand material being taught if the student asks for help. Kids shouldn't have to be afraid or intimidated by their teachers.
@munhozmib (3836)
• Sao Paulo, Brazil
4 Apr 08
Hello!
I cannot be giving my opinion too much because, first of all, I don't know how old is your "kid". However, let me tell you one thing: the children are not the innocents one. Not if she is over 12. The students call the teacher all they want, yell at the teachers, sometimes even put fear into teachers. They can hit the teacher, but when the teacher call them idiots he is wrong? No, he is not. He also probably said: "And this is only for those who are not behaving well."
Now, you should reconsider going there. Why don't you ask to watch a class and see how does it goes? The teachers are the innocents, I tell you. They have to go through all this and can't say anything. If they say the word "stupid" they're out. Of course, they shouldn't be treating child like garbage, but he is not the bad guy.
I hope you don't get offended, this is just my opinion.
Respectfully,
Munhozmib.
@olivebranch56 (910)
• United States
5 Apr 08
I would not rip them again I would go over their heads to the local superintendent. This is mental abuse for those children. Look I know because of the no child left behind act teachers are under a lot more pressure. They can not however take it out on the children. My children range in age from 6 to 36, we have 10, no one has ever or will ever use my children as a whipping post, mind you some have tried, but they may as well be fighting a tiger, cause Momma don't play those games. Report this teacher before he lose more than his tongue, sounds like he is about ready to start actually lashing out. Do him and the kids a favor, he needs a break.
@bellaofchaos (11538)
• United States
4 Apr 08
I'm sorry for your situation first off. But If I were in your shoes I would march down to that school and have the principal and superintendant getting their butt chewed for employing such a piece of work. I would literally make this guys life heck and I would also find other parents and have a petition sent to the school board and other various placing stating that you as the parents want him gone or severely disciplined becuase he has no right to teach any child that way or make them feel that way.. This is the reasons why kids fail. I was told early on in 2nd grade that the only question that was a stupid question was one that wasn't asked. I have never been afraid to ask questions .. I did at one time myself had an Algebra 2 math teacher who was horrid If I was absent I had to get the assignment I missed in the morning from him and have it done by class time. What is that and if I didn't understand he would tell me to figure it out myself. He even said to my face that he was flunking me because he didn't like me and it didn't matter how much I understood or not. I use to love math until then Guess what I avoided when possible math courses. It has and effect when teachers are evil or mean. I would seriously go after his job and get him fired..and trust me I would probably also go to the local paper to get an article on how he treats his students ant let them quote my kid. LOL!! That way he's showing his behavior to the whole community and will have to improve. A community if a close and good one won't stand fo a teacher to act like this.
@ebonygrace7 (5)
• Singapore
5 Apr 08
I believe that parents need to start protesting. Now
I don't mean to cause a stir, but the parent is not in control anymore. My youngest daughter has been suspended 3 times this year because of going to the restroom or not being able to sit down because there were no seats. We also had problems with trying to get my 16 year-old's driver's liscense. The school systems have near complete authority over our children. It's time parents take legal action.
@viewpoint (137)
• Philippines
3 Apr 08
I think you should go out and talk to that teacher. He probably does this because he thinks the students are too afraid to tell their parents about how he is treating them. Teachers don't have the right to intimidate and humiliate the children, just because they are teachers.
@evolutionsucks (4)
• United States
3 Apr 08
what I would do if I were in your shoes is first go over there and talk to the principal and then have a conference with the principal and the teacher.. This way you can see this come to a conclusion. If the principal says this is not possible say ok I understand you don't feel the need to protect your students. May I have the number for the school board and May I use your phone to call them. See how fast things get solved then. They hate it when you take power away from them and by going over their heads you have done so and it makes them look like they are not capable of doing their job.. I would personally do both call the the school board and the principal.
@Thoroughrob (11742)
• United States
3 Apr 08
You get on that phone or go in person. I would voice my opinion again! There is no way that a teacher should be talking to kids this way. A month is long enough to knock down their confidence, and their self esteem. I may even call a couple other mothers in the room and ask them about some of the comments. That way there is more than you that says something.
@itsmepinky (1300)
• India
3 Apr 08
i think u should discuss it with your husband first And then some other parents. You should report this matter to the principle of the school , as he will be able to figure about what to do about it , but if gets too nasty its time u put your foot down & take some immediate actions
~pinks~
@SassyKittyKat (2135)
• Australia
3 Apr 08
I, personally, would call the principal and report that teacher. As a teacher, you are there to educate and encourage the kids and let them know that they are capable of learning and processing the things you teach them. Calling them idiots can be life damaging because they could start to believe it and that they can't learn. It's disgraceful and I think you have every right to call and report him and I think you would be doing these kids a great service by doing so.
I would also mention the fact that they don't take proper action in the school. I mean, they need to do something with kids who are acting out because it can effect the kids negatively. I really think you should say something...
@dandj929 (423)
• United States
3 Apr 08
Is your daughter's school a public or private school? From the way it sounds it is a publice school and they are probably so overwhelmed with the amount of students, overcrowded classrooms, and the everyday battle of keeping the peace among the students. I'm hoping they don't intentionally let the information you are relaying to them regarding your daughter slip in one ear and out the other but maybe they are just dealing with too much and can't handle it all.
Can you contact the head of the board of education in your hometown? Maybe going over the heads of those in the school itself may get you somewhere.
It is the end of the year and you might be tempted to let it go but just be aware that this may continue into next year and maybe some other students are experiencing the same thing. Have you spoken to any of the other parents of students in her class? That could also help.
All the best!