Teen Tried to Flush Newborn Down Toilet!
By anniepa
@anniepa (27955)
United States
April 5, 2008 3:25pm CST
A Baytown, Texas middle school student gave birth to a baby boy then tried to flush him down the toilet in school. Every time I hear or read of a story like this it stuns me; nobody knew she was pregnant, she didn't ask anyone for help for herself or her newborn infant.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/03/national/main3993149.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_3993149
It hasn't been announced what penalty the 14 year old will face. Killing an infant is a capital crime in Texas but 14 year olds are too young to face the death penalty. Any thoughts on this? I always have to wonder where the heck the parents were in these cases! How coul they not have know their daughter was nine months pregnant?
Annie
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13 responses
@raydene (9871)
• United States
6 Apr 08
Here's my question..
Why is it a crime to kill a baby
after it is born but not before?
Isn't it the same child?
I am not using your discussion to
get in an anti-abortion jab..
I just find it ironic.
This teenage girl could have gone
to have this baby killed by a professional
the day before but now that it is
born the girl just a child herself is accused of murder.
Sorry Folks I just don't get it!
xoxoxoxoxoxoxo
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@nishdan01 (3051)
• Singapore
6 Apr 08
Abortion is usually done by a professional for good reasons. No doctor will do it unless there is a valid reason behind it. Abortion is safe for first three months of pregnancy beyond which it could be life threatening to mother. Fetus generally feels pain sensation around 15-16 weeks of pregnnacy and not earlier. In the later stages, if doctor tries to do an abortion it is risky for the mother.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
6 Apr 08
I don't think she could at full term, could she? For the record, while I'm pro-choice I'm not for late term abortions except to protect the life or health of the mother or in very rare cases when the baby has severe deformities or physical defects to the point where the baby would have not chance of any quality of life to speak of.
Annie
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@raydene (9871)
• United States
6 Apr 08
Yes
And abortion is always risky
for the baby!
I just think there are
so many birth control methods
and why are we no longer responsible
for our actions?
Don't misunderstand me I don't judge
women that have them or whatever..
I just think that this is another
example of the decline of our society.
We keep looking for ways to "get away with it"
so to speak.
xoxoxoxoxoxox
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@theprogamer (10534)
• United States
5 Apr 08
"..."
Not the first time I've heard of a case like this. There are plenty of them out there (even a basis for the safe haven laws).
My thoughts are all over on this one. While this is definitely a sick and unexcusable event, this is a young teen we are talking about. No I'm forgiving no one, and do not ever entertain the thought. I'm simply considering the known issues. We have an innocent life, and we have a teen that didn't want the child, but had no idea what to do (hmm...perhaps...).
If the parents had actually been involved, this most likely would have been avoided. One thing to note is some parents' stance on their children getting pregnant (or in the case of males, getting a girl pregnant). Some state they won't take care of the children in such an event, or they'll be disowned. Others don't claim this, or they'll only say it as a threat and then adjust when reality hits home. There is also the mindset of the teen to take in consideration as well. The teen probably thought (rightly so) that the parents wouldn't take the news well. Some teens worry about this situation and end up with a feeling of entrapment, be it real or part of their own fears and doubts. Its possible the teen here, faced a situation similar to disownment or some other problem at the house (be it real, or simply imagined.) Of course these are more optimistic possibilities, as other possibilities with the parents include apathy most notably (and this too could have led to the teen feeling trapped in the situation). She could have also informed other family members or someone other trustworthy individual, though this in itself could also prove difficult depending on the circumstance.
No matter what, I say everyone involved could have handled this much better...
I can never fully understand what happens in these matters. I have ideas, past cases and other experience, but in the end, people play these out with what they've got.
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@inked4life (4224)
• United States
6 Apr 08
What this girl did is reprehensible, but how sad is it that a teenage girl feels that she has no-one she can turn to in times of need? Like everyone has said before, you really have to wonder what is going on with her parents that they don't realize she ispregnannt or at least that something is troubling their child. I don't think she should be punished too severely as this is something she is going to have to live with for the rest of her life
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
6 Apr 08
The thing we seem to forget sometimes, too, when these things happen is this is a child. To me a fourteen year old is still a little girl in many ways. When I think back to when I was that age - and granted, it was a LONG time ago - I can guarantee you if I'd become pregnant my parents would have known; if I'd had the opportunity to become pregnant, they would have known! They certainly paid attention to how I dressed, they'd certainly have noticed if I started wearing big and baggy clothes and they'd have noticed if I'd either gained or lost any substantial amount of weight.
Annie
@soccermom (3198)
• United States
5 Apr 08
When the heck are we gonna stop hearing these kinds of stories?! And how long was this girl in the bathroom before anyone realized she was not in class? And what kind of blind parent does it take to not notice your kid is pregnant? Especially in middle school!! There are no excuses for situations like this, none.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
6 Apr 08
I'd like to know that too, when are we going to stop hearing these awful stories. They have the "safe havens" in many if not all states where an infant can be dropped off with no questions asked at a church, hospital or fire hall but these things keep on happening. As for her not being in class, on one news report I heard she'd gone to the school nurse complaining of menstrual cramps and asked to lie down with a heating pad for awhile then, I'm not sure how much time had passed but she said she felt better and was going to use the bathroom then go back to class. Apparently another student was in the bathroom and heard her and went and told someone she needed help. However, at the risk of repeating myself, I can't for the life of me figure out how her parents didn't know!
Annie
@megumiart (3771)
• United States
5 Apr 08
This is absolutely shocking. I could understand how distressed the girl would feel to have a baby at 14, but trying to kill the baby is just ridiculous and sickening. Dx
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@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
7 Apr 08
Annie I can not blame the 14 year old for this one I really can't like you say where are the Parents, why was the Girl not able to trust her Parents and why did the Girl have to go through this alone
If she had Parents that really cared they would have noticed something was going on, specially the Mother, if she had the Help and support from her Parents she would not have been so scared and tried to kill the Infant. So I am sorry the Parents should be made responsible for this
If People say well she is rebellious and that again if the Parents would take the time to be there, bond a proper relationship it would not be happening
I have 2 Children that I brought up and I was working while bringing them up, but I always had my time with my Children and I always told them no matter what Problem there is or what they have done to talk to me and we will sort it out together (their Dad was never there he was to busy with social Life and also lost his temper to quick) and to this Day My Children 21 and 24 still come to me no matter what it is
So sorry I blame the Parents, I do not care what anyone says we raise the Children and how we raise them is how they will turn out
@wisedragon (2325)
• Philippines
6 Apr 08
I agree it boggles the mind how her parents or guardians didn't find out she's pregnant. Anyway, she should definitely go to jail. It's murder, plain and simple. We need to teach these teens the value of human life. Otherwise what kind of society will we end up with?
@enchantedleppard (1541)
• United States
7 Apr 08
Annie, the thing that saddens me the most while reading this is the fact that the teenager thought she had no one else to turn to. That just breaks my heart. I agree with you!! Where in the heck were her parents and why weren't they actively in their childs life? Had they been, I doubt that it would have came to this. My heart hurts so much reading this. I couldnt imagine having a kid and not being in my kids life. They would have had to see a change in her.
@lilyoungfella (1196)
• Philippines
6 Apr 08
Crazy,,, 9mos? How horrible.. Don't know why these people exist..
@skinnychick (6905)
• United States
6 Apr 08
Parents must have been too concerned with their own lives to care about their pregnant teenager- that is messed up!
Where do you find these my friend?
This world is just one messed up place sometimes!
@danclement (138)
•
7 Apr 08
That's awful in two respects - that she didn't turn to anyone for help or support when there is always so many sources of it so readily available, and that nobody around her even noticed there was anything wrong. I don't see how anybody could not notice a person being pregnant.
I hope both the girl and the baby get the support they need.