Looking For Some Advise.......
By minnie_98214
@minnie_98214 (10557)
United States
April 15, 2008 7:34pm CST
Ok this is about my son who is 8 years old. He is driving us crazy and im not sure what to do. He was just tested at school and they seem to think hes depressed. He has been a bit sad sometimes but sometimes hes very happy but hes moody very very moody. It is so hard to deal with he doesnt listen to anything I say and he laughs when we yell at him. Getting him to do things can sometimes be worse than pulling a tooth and other times hes all to willing. But most times hes a pain in the butt. So what do you all think I should do. I have tried every thing I can think of. The school think he needs to see a phycologist but im not sure thats the fix he needs.
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@AmbiePam (93898)
• United States
16 Apr 08
I'm torn on what to say. When I was your son's age, I needed to see a psychologist, and I did once. But my parents were concerned. And there in lies why I am torn. Psychologists sometimes take things kids say in the wrong way. My parents never did anything wrong, but who is to say a psychologist seems to think the parenting style isn't 'fit' for the child? When I grew into a teen my parents saw the need even stronger, and I began to get help for my depression. I think they did what they thought best. I don't hold them accountable for the years I needed to talk to a professional. I didn't hurt myself or anyone else. These days child care services either take you away for 'unreal' reasons, or they ignore problems until it makes the news. I know there must be a between, but I don't hear about it often. Of course, my opinion is colored by my own upbringing. These days you get looked at funny if you don't hug your child before they go to bed. I don't know if I'm explaining this well. I'm not a parent though.
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@minnie_98214 (10557)
• United States
16 Apr 08
I just have a hard time beleiving he is truly depressed I mean I know the divorce was hard on him but thats been a few years now. I have a feeling it has to do with the baby so im wondering if I just wait and see after the baby comes if its still the same. I hate to pay some doc a fortune to be told to hug him more.
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@AmbiePam (93898)
• United States
16 Apr 08
Yeah, my parents had insurance at the time and it still cost a lot to get me seen. And you know what, he did say one thing to my parents that was right on. He said I had issues with my sister. And I did. I always felt inferior to her. As for those psychs who say to hug or kiss their kid more, those guys are way over paid. When you're paying that much money, you want some real answers, ya know? Both child and parent would appreciate that much. : )
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@terri0824 (4991)
• United States
16 Apr 08
I think if the school is suggesting that he see a psychologist then you should at least check into it. I don't think it will hurt anything and possibly could get to the root of the problem that he is having.
I've worked in the mental health field for nearly 13 years and have had both my daughters receive mental health treatment as well. Had I not worked in the mental health field, unless suggested by the school, which they never did, since my daughters were already in treatment, I probably wouldn't have sought out the treatment that they needed.
Hope that helps.
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@minnie_98214 (10557)
• United States
16 Apr 08
I will keep that in mind thanks.
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@Thoroughrob (11742)
• United States
16 Apr 08
I would take him to the doctor, or at least talk with him. I would want to know if there is something that is really bothering him. I would not let him laugh when being yelled at. He needs to show respect, or he will be walking all over you.
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@minnie_98214 (10557)
• United States
16 Apr 08
I have been talking to him but I need to try and get him alone soon. And no he doesnt get away with laughing thats for sure.
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@toe_ster (770)
• United States
17 Apr 08
My son laughs when he gets yelled at. It is his way of dealing with my anger at him. I know it sounds wierd, but it is true. I tried to spank his butt once (not hard) to see what the response was, and he laughed to. Somettimes I make him stand there and laugh it out. When he calms down I try and talk to him. It gives me a moment to calm a bit too. Sometimes it works, other times it infuriates me.
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@minnie_98214 (10557)
• United States
18 Apr 08
Its hard when they laugh cause it can make you so mad.
@patgalca (18391)
• Orangeville, Ontario
16 Apr 08
I have seen behavioural problems in children who have gone through a divorce. One example is a girl who was bossing my daughter around. My daughter is very shy and doesn't really stick up for herself... well, she didn't back then. I told her to remember that her parents are divorced and that she is always being shuffled back and forth between the two and probably no one listens to her so she bosses her friends around.
Now my own daughter was terrible when she was around 11 years old. I just couldn't take her fits of rage. She was also having panic attacks. We took her to a doctor who referred her to a psychiatrist. He put her on a very low dose of Prozac. Eventually my daughter kept forgetting to take it and just stopped taking it all together. By then she had her act together. She had a little bit of counselling. She is 15 now and can be moody around that time of the month, she and I are pretty good friends. She actually thinks I'm cool. She still has the occasional panic attack. For that I purchased from a health food store "Rescue Remedy". I've used it myself. It really does help calm you down. In fact, I'll be taking some tomorrow before I go to the dentist. I have to have another filling (my second) and the last time I had a terrible anxiety attack.
I think all kids go through these phases, some of it could be genetic too. The mother of a girl who has the same biological father as my daughter called me a few months back asking if I knew where he was. Then she went on to tell me the problems she was having with her daughter. They were identical to what my daughter went through at that age. I told her exactly how to handle it. She was ready to get rid of the kid (as was I). I told her she would regret that. Her daughter needs her and as her mother it is up to her to get her the help she needs. I haven't heard from her since but she was grateful to talk to me (for about an hour) and said she was going to take my advice. She's a little loopy herself so I don't know whether she did what I suggested.
Your son has gone through a divorce and a new baby is going to be taking your time away from him. These things affect adults, of course they're going to affect kids. If you want to take him to a counsellor you might want to go through Family Services to get a good therapist or a recommendation to a good child psychiatrist.
Good luck!
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@minnie_98214 (10557)
• United States
16 Apr 08
As money is tight and these docs are expensive im gonna hold off and see if things get better after the baby comes when he realizes he will still get my attention. I am planning to make time for just him once and awhile.
@SilPhil (267)
• Australia
16 Apr 08
Is there perhaps a family friend, or a teacher or someone your friend could confide in? Sometimes it can be hard to turn to our parents and tell them whats wrong, and what we're feeling. But rather than taking the phsycologist approach, perhaps there is an informal setting in which he can talk to someone, vent his frustrations and share what he is feeling. It doesn't have to be they sit down and talk, they can go for a bike ride, play football, just a situation where your son feels relaxed and at ease.
Life today can be very different to when we were at the same age. There's different challenges being faced at school, at home, at times it can be a bit overwelming, even for adults!
I've suffered from depression, and its just about feeling sad, but also feeling lost, and out of control. things happen in our lives that we do have no control over, and sometimes we just reach a stage where that is unbearable. I had days where I was happy and fine, as though nothing was wrong. But there were also days where I would freak out and overreact about silly things, like someone not putting rubbish in the bin. But even after being diagnosed, having someone to talk to was the key, even without the meds.
@GardenGerty (160952)
• United States
16 Apr 08
It has been shown that having a non judgmental friend is as beneficial in many cases as a paid therapist.Perhaps her son needs to talk.
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@minnie_98214 (10557)
• United States
16 Apr 08
I think that is part of the problem too. His old school he loved the social worker there and talked about many things there and she just listened. This new lady I dont like and I dont think he likes her much either. She is always calling me telling me every little detail so Tyler doesnt feel comfortable talking to her because she seems to be judgemental. She is always making me feel like im doing something wrong.
@sid556 (30959)
• United States
16 Apr 08
Talk to your family doctor or his pediatrician about what is going on. Some of this could be normal and I will tell you the schools do tend to grab onto this sort of thing. Once he is slotted in the school system, it is very hard to get out of. If your son has a problem, I would strongly recomend handling it independent of the school. I've had 4 kids go thru the school system and I will tell you that you do not want to go that route. One of my daughters was suspected...by the school...of having ADD. I did not think so but not sure so I had her analyzed independent from the school which I had to pay for....she was not ADD. she was bored. She tested above average on everything. It is impossible to say here that your son has a problem. Don't go with the schools advice. go to your own doctor with your concerns.
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@minnie_98214 (10557)
• United States
16 Apr 08
We just met with the school about their evals and my son was the same way he scored high on alot of stuff and did not qualify for any help. It was all free as I went thru the school for the tesing.
@surfette (673)
• United States
17 Apr 08
Minnie, this is just a suggestion based on my nephew's experience. Have you had his I.Q. tested? If the legos are very easy for him, he may have some other undiscovered talents as well.
My nephew is a genius. When he was tested, his parents enrolled him in Montessori school. If he had been in a regular classroom, he would have probably been diagnosed as a problem child with all sorts of syndromes. Instead, because of their unique teaching method, he blossomed. He couldn't sit still and got bored very easily. As long as they kept him stimulated with access to the learning center and library, he was fine. Other children completed their tests in 30 minutes and he was done in 5, ready to go again.
Thanks to the Montessori method, this young man of 28 now has a Bachelor's degree in business, his Real Estate License, Graduate of Culinary School and directed and produced two musicals at the ages of 16 and 17. He never has less than three jobs going at one time and his dream is to open and run his own dinner theater. Now this was not for the purpose of bragging, although I'm rather in awe of his accomplishments. You may not have a problem child on your hands at all. He may be a genius in hiding!
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@minnie_98214 (10557)
• United States
17 Apr 08
They did test his IQ and it was average but they did note on some of the tests he did score extremly high. One being math hes in 3rd grade but passed the tests up to an 8th grade level. His teacher was there and you could see the spark in her eyes as she thought he couldnt do the work but now shes thinking he may have just been bored with it. So im hoping they push him and mabey we will see some improvements.
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@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
16 Apr 08
It might or it might not be Sweet do take him to a Doctor and get advise there as he does sound a bit muddled
Has he always been like this or only since you became pregnant that he is possibly a bit scared of what is to come or he is jealous
The other thing I would do when he is in a 'good' way sit him down and try to talk to him or get someone that he really trusts to talk to him and I don't mean he does not trust you but sometimes it is easier for them to talk to others
That is all I can advise you and I do hope that you will get to the buttom of this I really do
@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
16 Apr 08
Every Child is sad at times it does not mean he is depressed it just means he has a sad moment and if that is all it was why did they make such a big Deal out of it
I understood that is was worse then that so I would say all you have to do now is show him that you love him and just talk to him and tell him when he feels mad or sad to come to Mummy and talk to her
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@minnie_98214 (10557)
• United States
16 Apr 08
I just think its a stage hes kinda acting like a little snot not so much depressed so I dont know what it is the school sees they said my son said he was sad one day. What I want to know is if a kid is sad on day what does that mean they need a doctor I dont think so. I have sad days to and I dont need help.
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@minnie_98214 (10557)
• United States
16 Apr 08
Yeah I give him lots of love and will continue to even when he makes me so mad. Im hoping it will get better with spring here and he can get out and do more.
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
17 Apr 08
Seems that school think gets need a head Doctor all the time heck hes 8.
Just needs a good talking to and listen to what he has to say also. If he gets an allowance he dont get it if the work isnt done. MAybe he needs more activities some sport or something in school to let steam off with but to many Doctor put kids on meds that make them worse . Just try setting down with him to see what teh peoblem is
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@minnie_98214 (10557)
• United States
17 Apr 08
Yeah we talked yesterday so im hoping it helps. He plays baseball every year and it starts soon hope he can release some steam there.
@toe_ster (770)
• United States
16 Apr 08
Are we raising the same son? My son is going to be 8 at the end of this year. But it sounds like what I am going through. I find he is just testing me, and testing his limits, to see what he gets away with and what he doesn't. He may be bored and it could lead to depression. I am not a know it all or have the perfect advice or anything, I just have some suggestions and things we have tried and soemtimes they work. We found he acts out more when he needs a bit more attention. He is all to willing to help to get that extra praise or just the overall good feeling of helping out. Which is why I don't push him at all when he refuses to help or pick up after himself. I calmly let him know I understand how he feels and will take care of it myself. He has choices and if he chooses not to help its ok too. Most times I think he feels guilty or whatever and he helps out. Other times he doesn't. I find when he has something on his mind he does not understand or something has happened that has confused or upset him, he looks or acts depressed. I try to feel out what could be going out but try to reassure i am here to listen or help if ever he wants to open up. Sometimes it lifts his spirits like maybe he is not alone in the confusion. Moodiness is becoming a regular thing now. I just think it is a changeing of sorts. He is now able to understand more and it confuses him. He is not really a tweenager or a child. He is smart and old enough to now know but not old enough to fully understand the whys. Does that make sense? Sorry if this is all much. Overall, I guess I am saying hang in there, you are not alone. Sympathetic and empathetic ears are always here.
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@minnie_98214 (10557)
• United States
16 Apr 08
Im afraid to let him get away with not doing something as he seems to be very ungrateful lately. I have changed his chores to a must do list then an optional list and it does seem to help a little bit. Helps me not to pull out my hair at least. I get what you are saying he does seem to be very confused by his feelings. And its always good to know youre not alone thanks.
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@spanktastic2120 (172)
• United States
16 Apr 08
if you dont hit him, you need to start.
if you are hitting him, you need to hit him harder.
he obviously has lessons to learn, and talking to him does not seem to be an effective form of communication. spank him into compliance.
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@minnie_98214 (10557)
• United States
16 Apr 08
Well I dont think more spankings is gonna be the fix to this one as we have tried that and well still do. Spankings are a temporary fix only. I think some kids it helps but some kids not so much like when they have a sensory disorder and cant feel it lol.
@patgalca (18391)
• Orangeville, Ontario
16 Apr 08
Good Lord! Spanking doesn't help, it just makes things worse. You want your child to know you love him, not be afraid of you and resent you. That will stay with him for the rest of his life. Gentle nurturing and attention is what the boy needs.
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@minnie_98214 (10557)
• United States
16 Apr 08
Well I think spankings can help if moderate so many people take it o far you never want to spank out of anger. If a kid knows if they do this there will be a spanking it helps in most cases but like I said sometime it is no help at all you gotta treat each kid differently.
@lilylove9 (42)
• China
16 Apr 08
I'm very sorry to hear that,but I think you should not yell to your son,conversly you should talk with him,very seriously,and you should ask him what he want or why he do like this,and at the same time you should find reasons on yourselves,maybe you gave him too little time and you didn't try to understand him,I think your son has his own mind too,sometimes he just want you to play with him,so he try to attracted your attention like this.And I don't think you should take him to see a doctor,as it may hurt your son's heart.
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@minnie_98214 (10557)
• United States
16 Apr 08
I have to yell at him to get his attention sometimes I dont like to but its all the seems to get him to listen. Once I have his attention I stop yelling and we talk. I try to play with him but he doesnt want to play for long he gets bored easily me and him just dont have alot in commom. Im hoping that spring will help as he loves to garden with me.
@lilylove9 (42)
• China
20 Apr 08
I think you should care more about your son and use your heart more to develop his interest with you,do not play with him the old games,you can watch him when he is palying and then you can find out what he really likes,but if all of this doesn't work I think you can ask the doctor or the teachers for some help.
@rev1wendy (611)
• United States
16 Apr 08
Does he have a hobby? Something he really enjoys? My parents paid the big bucks for me to see a shrink and he just told them that all my behavior was their fault. I raised 2 son's and got them into models at about that age. As long as they had a model they liked that they could work on (each had their own!!) my life was pretty calm. It might be worth a try.
@minnie_98214 (10557)
• United States
16 Apr 08
His hobby is driving me crazy lol. Thats the main problem is he has no real hobbies we have tried to find something but he gets bored very easily. He loves to do lego kits but they are expensive and he will go thru them to fast. I have tried to get him to just build something with the huge box of legos they have but he doesnt like to do that he likes the kits only.
@rev1wendy (611)
• United States
16 Apr 08
Models can get expensive, but he is just starting. They won't be to bad yet, and they could take him a little time. There are directions so it isn't like having to make up your own idea from the legos. He is 8, so I would not suggest a snap together model. It would turn him right off of the idea. But a beginners set with the new non-toxic glue might be a good therapy for him. And, if he likes it, maybe incentive for better behavior. Like a reward system. Just an idea. But let me know how it goes.
@rombi001 (941)
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16 Apr 08
since he is 8 years old you have to talk to him like he is 8 years old... Yelling at him will not make him do things, or behave... it only makes him angry and annoyed... I would have to say you have to spend some quality time with him so that he feels like he shouldn't hurt you anymore... You should make him realise that he is hurting you by misbehaving... By quality time I don't mean buy him stuff so he is happy and wants more, but you should play with him, be his friend.. Also you have to make him realise that what he is doing is not normal and acceptable... and you could scare him a little bit by telling him that you will have to take him to the doctors for an operation so that he becomes a good boy... :) (But you don't want him to have nightmares... )
@minnie_98214 (10557)
• United States
16 Apr 08
I am planning on telling him aout the doctor bit and hope it scares him. We do lots of stuff together I think its my hubby hes missing as he has been working alot lately its not his biological dad but he does have a better bond with him so mabey that could be it.
@rombi001 (941)
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16 Apr 08
Try making him feel like the others his age.. take him to the park or something... You don't want him to stay like this forever... But yeh, I guess if he is bonded with your husband then he could have a better influence on him... I wish you all the best and hope he will stop causing trouble..
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@34momma (13882)
• United States
17 Apr 08
i went through this with my son. he was not depressed but he was acting out for sure. what he needs is attention. I don't mean take him out to the movies attention. i mean you being present when you are with him. I mean looking him in the eyes when you are talking to him. hearing what he is saying when he is talking to you.
when they act out like that, you begin to think of them in a certain way, he is a pain, or why me, or what did i do wrong. you have to stop thinking those thoughts, because when you do, then you deal with him in a different way. believe me please on this one. from the time my son was 5 until 10 i dealth with this same thing. when i found out all he wanted was attention. for me to not just be there in body for him, but in spirit too. it changed our lives
@minnie_98214 (10557)
• United States
17 Apr 08
I always try to make one on one time for him even though its hard at time. Me and him had a good talk yesterday im hoping it helps. Thanks for sharing.
@jennybianca (12912)
• Australia
17 Apr 08
You son needs to see someone. A family Doctor may be best to start with. I say this just in case he does have depression, because this shouldn't be left untreated.
Perhaps you could also try a child councellor, or a child behaviour expert.
If the school can't come up with any ideas & neither can you, it would be best to begin somewhere with help for him.
@minnie_98214 (10557)
• United States
17 Apr 08
I may bring him to the family doctor if he doesnt improve but im seeing a happy boy im not sure the school is right. Im thinking it is just a phase as we had a long talk and i dont see any issues but im gonna be watching closely.
@coffeeshot (3783)
• Australia
18 Apr 08
It's hard to say. Have you seen the doctor? It could be something as simple as needing glasses at school. Is he being bullied? Is he usually well behaved at home or have you allowed him to be naughty and disrespectful? It could also be his diet. It's well documented that certain additives and preservatives and colourings added to a lot of the food kids eat cause behavioural problems. This could be a cause of depression also.
I think you should not give up and do some research to try to get to the bottom of things. Good luck and keep us posted.
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@minnie_98214 (10557)
• United States
18 Apr 08
It seems to be a case of Spring Fever. Im glad as I did think depression was a bit much.
@brabs2007 (19)
• United States
18 Apr 08
Have you taken your son to your family doctor and told him all that is going on with your son? Maybe your son could also talk to the doctor and tell him how he is feeling.Your family doctor could better tell you if your son needs help. If he does need help waiting until the baby is born is not going to help him. I would start with the family doctor before thinking of taking him to a phycologist.
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@minnie_98214 (10557)
• United States
18 Apr 08
Yeah he has opened up saying hes unhappy cause he had been cold and bored.....diagnosis Spring fever lol. Im glad it was nothing major but im still gonna keep an eye on him.
@magrylouyu (1627)
• United States
18 Apr 08
My stepson will be 5 in June and he's seeing a phycologist. He has many problems due to his Bio mom. But I'd rather him see one then take a million meds like my husband did at his age. He has a speech impairment as well and seeing a speech tharapist and a phycologist. He also needs to see and eye doctor as well. I would say get at least one set up for your son. Do that for a few weeks see if theres any change. If not, then try one type of meds while seeing the phycologist. Just dont put him on so many meds. I persoanlly dont believe in a bunch of meds for a child.
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@minnie_98214 (10557)
• United States
18 Apr 08
Well im actually glad I didnt take him as it seems he may just be experiencing Spring Fever. We had a long winter here in minnesota and well the wether has been warm then cold and just wacky and it seems that is effecting him too much. He just wants to play and have fun dont we all.
@andotmaximum (21)
• Philippines
17 Apr 08
im sorry but why yell?! i think its not good on dealing with this kind of child..i hope you have not done this before, why not talk to him, treat him somewhere, well.. show your enthusiasm even in a day or two...stimulate his mind to be open to you..ask questions about things(not like your nagging him)..i think you have to communicate with him...you have to start this before its too late..act as a friend to him is better than you're acting as if you're a mom to him..bring warmth in your family..i think thats all he needs..
well, gud luck then mommy..i hope you become a good mom and a friend...
@minnie_98214 (10557)
• United States
17 Apr 08
I think you have to be in the middle. If you are just a friend kids will walk all over you. I try not to yell alot it is just used to get his attention. After I have his attention then I will just talk to him. I think every kids is different and if you dont have to yell great but with my son you have to yell or he wont pay any attention to you.