Obama is scary
By estherlou
@estherlou (5015)
United States
June 8, 2008 9:19am CST
We are all a product of our upbringing and our environments. A lot of who we become is formed when we are children, during our "formative" years. Barack went to a Muslim school when he was a young child for many years. Then, for the past 20 years, he has been listening to Black militant liberation policy in church full of anti-white, anti-American rhetoric. A favorite sound bite about his wife has been her saying she was "never proud to be an American until her husband ran for the presidency" or something to that effect. And now we hear he has been involved in the communist party to some extent. All of these things are so far opposite to what America is and stands for, it is scary to me to think he could rule our country. Does this bother anyone else?
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@theproperator (2429)
• United States
9 Jun 08
Oh, lord, next we'll have someone start a discussion on the veracity of the Obama=Osama bumperstickers...
Here, I'm going to let the reliable news sources make my argument for me (not that I expect many to actually read the articles, since so many seem very happy to blindly believe any negative story that comes along). Personally, I never just believe "news" that is posted on someones blog...
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/obama.madrassa/
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_obama.html
Still, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but at least have the decency to be honest like the guy from West Virginia who said on the national news that Obama lost in W.VA "because no one around here is going to vote for a black man."
Politically insightful? maybe not.
Ignorant? perhaps.
Honest assesment of one's own fearful motivations? Absolutely!
Peace..
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@visitorinvasion (7709)
• United States
15 Jun 08
If he was born in Kenya, as Snopes is claiming, then he should not be allowed to run.
@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
8 Jun 08
It should bother everyone, but there are those who would overlook such troubling facts on the false promise of change and hope.
Such things are intangible and don't mean much outside of a few good sounding sound bites.
Obama's background and associations need careful scrutiny, because he is going after one of the most powerful positions in the world, and we as Americans cannot afford to put just anyone in the White House.
He is running as the first black candidate, yet he is a lot more Arab than black.
He is openly supporting Odinga who is wanting to institute sharia law in his country, and who is responsible for many murders including burning people alive as they took shelter in churches.
He doesn't represent American values at all, and has been tagged as a racist through his associations.
He has Muslim ties as well as communist ties, and would be a bad choice for president.
He has already been been labeled as the most liberal in Congress even outdoing Ted Kennedy in that regard.
Given some of his statements and views, we need to look elsewhere for a president, because he would not have our best interests at heart.
He is inexperienced and completely naive when it comes to foreign policy, and he would be dangerous to our national security.
It definitely bothers me.
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@canjo13317 (396)
• United States
8 Jun 08
your first three paragraphs are undeniably true. from there on, it sounds more opinion than fact. i do agree that mr. obama is a scary choice for president. and john mccain will certainly not bring much change to the office. once again, not much of a choice. it really is too bad the other political parties don't have the same benefits as the two major ones. there might be more of a chance for one of them.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
8 Jun 08
"Never proud to be an American until her husband ran for the presidency".
Bear in mind, that prior to this her husband became a Senator, a member of the bar, went to Ivy League schools, and has been a member of the upper middle class for a long time. Michael herself had a job that paid 6 figures. That these 2 think America is a hateful place that is putting Blacks down and holding them down is outrageous. All they have to do is look in the mirror to discover examples of how this is not true.
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@canjo13317 (396)
• United States
8 Jun 08
and that is one of the things that just don't wash with me. i am afraid of what will become of the minority, middle aged white male, if he becomes president.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
9 Jun 08
Yes. White male national leaders of both parties have worked for rights for minorities, while representing ALL of America. Obama and his wife have some kind of imagined grivance against America that indicates they do not want to represent ALL of America. I believe Obama wants to represent mostly the poor and oppressed. Obama believes these people are only poor and oppressed because of typical white people like his grandmother. Remember, he did call his own grandmother who raised him, a 'typical white person'.
For Obama to become President he needs to stop being ashamed that he is 1/2 white and reach out to whites like whites have reached out to minorities.
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@bdugas (3578)
• United States
8 Jun 08
Oh yes and I have preached on here, over and over just what you are saying, but it seems the people are blinded by him, he was in the communist party back in the 70's he helped finance Ayers who bombed the capital and the new york police department, he is an unknown but raised more money than either one of the others who are well known to everyone in the usa, the Hamas group is backing him, isn't those the ones that are killing our troops in Iraq, what do they have in it they don't vote what do they expect in return and why would he want them to back him, I would think he would not want that known, he is a threat to our country, he wants to disarm america, what so it will make it easy for us to have another 9-11, it appears to me that he is looking for some revenge against us for his being half white half black, for what he has endured. America better wake up before it is too late, he talks out of both sides of his mouth at once, and I don't want her in the whitehouse when she is ashamed to be an american.
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@worldwise1 (14885)
• United States
8 Jun 08
First off, estherlou, I have to take exception to many of the statements you have made. I don't believe that Barack Obama is anti-American at all. He is imperfect(as are all people), but he had no control over his upbringing since he was only a child. To give credit where it's due, he has broken from the church that he and his family had attended for so long. Lastly, you cannot take as absolute truth everything you hear and read in the press. The name of the game is "spin." Political pundits can portray things in whatever light they wish them to be cast. For an example, I listen to Conservative talk radio on a daily basis but that neither makes me a Conservative or means that I subscribe to the dogma put forth by these elements. You just cannot say that someone is guilty by association. The President would lead our country rather than rule it.
@estherlou (5015)
• United States
15 Jun 08
I didn't say Obama was anti-American. I said he sat in a church for 20 years listening to radical, anti-white, anti-American preaching. If I sat in a church that for the past 20 years, every week, bashed one race and talked about their evils or their shortcomings, or how it was the government's fault for this, that and the other, I think quite a lot of it would become part of my belief system and sink in. You couldn't help but be influenced by this. If I disagreed with it...it would be time to leave.
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@worldwise1 (14885)
• United States
16 Jun 08
As I understand it, estherlou, there is nothing to prove that this type of rhetoric was a weekly, constant thing in the church Obama attended, and I still conclude that we don't always believe or subscribe to everything we hear -no matter how often we hear it. We often remain in a situation not because we approve of it but rather because we are creatures of habit who don't necessarily like change.
@jerzgirl (9291)
• United States
8 Jun 08
Very little of his history bothers me. I remember little of the education I had prior to age 10, other than the teachers used to pray and then they didn't. I never could grasp how my second grade teacher, who was a mean and vindictive person who would call kids babies and would set the desks in a square formation and punish us by putting our desks in the "play pen" like the babies we were, could start the day saying a prayer. I knew she didn't mean it - it just seemed fake. So, it didn't bother me when that stopped. But, beyond those images and others similar, I don't carry much with me to adult hood beyond the academics.
As for his having touched base with communism - I can't say yea or nay on that. Haven't seen anything about that. But, in no way do I doubt his sincerity of wanting this nation to come together and to be what we once were - a respected power in the world - not a despised aggressor.
I hope Obama is our next President. We desperately need a change of status quo.
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@canjo13317 (396)
• United States
8 Jun 08
i agree with 99% of what you say, but can't help but wonder why you choose to ignore his "spiritual convictions". someone mentioned that, to give him credit he has denounced his church. that certainly does not mean that he does not believe in everything he worshipped for the last several years. do you really believe that he wasn't giving a big "AMEN" every time rev white called for one? i also agree that we are in desperate need for a change, and that obama will give us one. i'm just not sure that it will be one we want.
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@jerzgirl (9291)
• United States
8 Jun 08
I have seen too many "church going" people who aren't one bit like they are inside a church to worry about this yet. A lot of people can't even tell you what the sermon was about an hour after church is over. They may believe, but they really don't pay attention. They just go through the motions. I don't see his church as some cult that has an emotional or social hold on him wherein leaving them would cost him too much personal equity as the one I left did. So, I withhold any judgment with regard to his church attendance or choice of church attended up until this candidacy. How he lives his life and interacts with others is far more an indicator to me of where he stands than what church doors he enters...again, except for cult memberships.
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
8 Jun 08
Have you read the reports I posted here about him I wouldnt touch this feller for prez with a 10 foot pole and I dont know where the ones that voted in the primarys are coming from they hear this and it goes in one ear and out the other ?
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@estherlou (5015)
• United States
8 Jun 08
This is my first day off, so I'm catching up. I'll have to check out your posts. Thanks!
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@AmbiePam (92375)
• United States
8 Jun 08
It does. I'm not going to say that all the candidates have a pristine background, but a lot of the things in Barack Obama's past do bother me. I don't know how many residual beliefs he retains from those years in those kind of environments. I always like to think the best of people, but just by what his wife said, I think there is a problem there. I'm proud to be an American 24/7. Every country has its problems, it doesn't mean they have to hang their head in shame, or vocalize it as she did. They seem like very nice people, but then again almost all politicians seem nice. It's what they are good at.
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@cassidy22 (2974)
• United States
8 Jun 08
What bothers me is ignorant people who can't research their stances. Like you.
Have you read any of his memoirs? Have you really researched his background, or have you only been listening to Republican mud slinging.
Barack doens't scare me. And his wife's quote has been taken out of context. YOU are ignorant, you probably listen to what other people tell you instead of researching and forming your own opinion.
I don't think he's scary. I think he is well educated, and willing to stand up for what he believes in. ANd I think he's willing to search for answers outside of any clique or status quo.
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@estherlou (5015)
• United States
15 Jun 08
Ouch! The news blurb I heard on his wife was on regular news which is usually left-leaning, not "Republican mud slinging". I tend to get my information from conservative or Christian sources, but read most of my online news from CNN. I just am shocked you would call me ignorant. Wow. Seems I hit a nerve.
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@slickcut (8141)
• United States
9 Jun 08
I would not vote for Obama if he was the last person on earth..I am hoping and praying that he does not win the Presidenty and i really do not think that he will...If he does all i can say is we are in great trouble..He is a wolf in sheeps clothing...He hates americans ans also white people....
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@cynddvs (2948)
• United States
8 Jun 08
For anyone who spouts off claims of Obamas Muslim ties have you done your research to find out if what you are hearing is true or not?
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/obama.asp
He is not tied to Muslims as much as these scare tactics would like you to believe. And it's all fine and good if you don't agree with his ideas. But for those of you that complain about what he will do to change this country have you taken the time to read his blueprint for change. It's available on his website for free to download. I suggest reading it before saying he's going to turn the US into a communist nation.
Also for those of you that are so anti Obama because of his families background did you realize Bush's grandfather was a Nazi supporter? You didn't see all that information flying around when he was up for election did you?
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@cynddvs (2948)
• United States
9 Jun 08
I would just say to do your own research and make the judgement you think is best based on facts and the candidates views on the issues. And anytime you see anyone making statements about any of the candidates backgrounds don't take it as factual information until you do your research. There are just way too many people making false accusations right now.
I wish you the best in making your decision. It's definitely a tough one this year.
Oh and I'd also like to add that I really don't think anyone would let Obama turn the US into a Muslim nation even if that is his intentions (which I don't think it is). I mean do you all really think this man is capable of opening us up to terrorist attacks without being impeached or killed first?
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@bitoffun (203)
• United States
9 Jun 08
I really don`t know what to beleive. I don`t like to believe rumors. Ive heard all of them. read all of them. I don`t like whats going on in the USA but I don`t know what will make it better either. Or for that matter who would be the better president. I don`t look at color. but i would be lying if I said him having a muslim background didn`t scare me cause it does. I have read that he didn`t pratice muslim too. I just don`t know what to do or who to vote for.
@faith210 (11224)
• Philippines
9 Jun 08
Hi estherlou! I am not from your country but if that is the truth about Obama, then your countrymen should really think hard and long enough before electing him to office. I am from a democratic country and it pains to see me also that our elected officials are not what they seem when they were candidates and then showed their true propaganda when elected into office.
Take care and God bless! Celebrate Life!
@LovesTravel (303)
• United States
8 Jun 08
What I find scary is the fact that far too many people are so ready to believe any rumor that substantiates their own small-mindedness. That's what is going on with too many of the rediculous comments in this thread.
If you don't like a candidate because you disagree with his issues, fine, disagree. But digging up these old (and in many cases, disproven) allegations as fact is just wrong. It sounds like thinly sublimated racism to me.
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@estherlou (5015)
• United States
8 Jun 08
If you can disprove anything in this thread you think is ridiculous, I'd love to hear it. I love getting information from whatever side it comes from.
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@theproperator (2429)
• United States
8 Jun 08
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/obama.madrassa/
Here is the artical where CNN investigated the allegations about the "radical school" he apparently attended...
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@LovesTravel (303)
• United States
8 Jun 08
According to investigative reporting conducted in Indonesia by CNN, Obama attended the Basuki school in Jakarta from 1969 to 1971 (not exactly "several years"). This is and was a public school in a Muslim country. The school does not (and did not) focus on religion, but rather respects all religious traditions. (Sounds a bit like the goals of public schools in the United States to me.) The students--girls and boys--wear Western styled school uniforms and include/included Christians, Buddhists, Confucianists, and Moslems.
The other two years he lived in Indonesia, Obama attended a Catholic school. By the way, just as he is not a radical militant Moslem likely to deliver the country to Osama bin Laden, he is not a radical, militant Catholic likely to deliver the nation to the Pope.
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@vanities (11395)
• Davao, Philippines
9 Jun 08
if that is really true then i could say that he is and must not win the presidential race!! im asian and not even living in america but i dont like militant/communism itself...maybe its time that people in america especially the youth to open their minds about him...just remember the 9/11...
@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
8 Jun 08
I agree with you 100%. I have spoken with a Muslim lady who told me that all her family believe that Obama will win as it is Allah's will that he become president!!!!
@jerzgirl (9291)
• United States
8 Jun 08
And? That means what? Absolutely nothing!! George W. Bush believed he was doing God's will when he attacked Iraq without cause - again, meaningless. There are Jews who support Obama - does that mean he's not a Christian? There are Hindus who support him - does that make him Hindu? There are atheists who support him - has he become Atheist? That analogy is absolutely meaningless!
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@canjo13317 (396)
• United States
8 Jun 08
OUCH!! a little bit offensive, are we? i took her writing to mean that it is the beliefs of her muslim friends that allah wants obama to win. not that that associated him to allah in any way, shape, or form. and going to war in the name of any God is, i'm quite certain, wrong. that said, the idea scares the hell out of me. i'm concerned more with the last 20 years of hate mongering he has been worshipping. just my opinion.
@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
8 Jun 08
canjo13317 You are correct I was just repeating to what I was told. I did not react to the comment from jerzgirl as it was typical of the blindness of a Obamamaniac.... Jumping in defense without reading and understanding the response.
@youdontsay (3497)
• United States
8 Jun 08
Mostly the things people "fear" about Obama are things that we don't understand. This is true of most of our prejudices. Once we have more information and understand whatever it is, once we see it from different perspectives the fear diminishes.
I'm not an Obama fan, but not because of the things you mentioned. I just don't think he has the experience yet that would make him a great leader for our country. In a way that could be considered "agism". But at least for me it is just a matter of a difference in his political and foreign policy experience.
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@blueandgreen (29)
• Philippines
8 Jun 08
So what if he came from a Muslim school? Does that make him a militant? Hell no!
Secondly, it certainly does not mean that if you are a follower of a certain religion, you have the same views as your pastor or whatsoever. I think Obama is smarter than that. He does not have blind-faith.
Lastly, why hate on Obama when in fact, he is a peace-loving person. At least he's trying to bridge the gap between America and the countries that America has conflicts with.
No, it does not bother me at all. He is an optimistic person and not a traditional politician, unlike the republican, John McCain.
@canjo13317 (396)
• United States
8 Jun 08
definitely agree with you that being a muslim doesn't make him a militant, any more than being catholic makes you a pedophile.
i agree with you on the religion aspect, EXCEPT you can choose a different message being preached every sunday, UNLESS you happen to agree with the message. HENCE, the problem.
lastly, i don't "hate" obama for being peace loving anymore than i "hate" mccain for being a traditional politician. i hope his optimism could last the political downfalls that certainly would befall him. (hell, i'm optimistic, but that doesn't qualify me to run the greatest nation in the world, or even my own company. it takes experience and knowledge)
does all of this mean i think mccain is the best man for the job? hell, no. but what other choices do we have?
eenie, meenie, miney, moe..........
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@blueandgreen (29)
• Philippines
9 Jun 08
Obama has the brains to run the greatest nation on earth. Americans have been trying experienced and educated people (GWB)and look at where it got America. How many dollars did he spend for the unnecessary war on Iraq? That money could have been spent to help the Americans instead. I mean, I agree on Afghanistan but Iraq?
Obama will do just fine. Experience? There are some people who do not need experience to run certain things. Heck, look at Bill Gates. He was young when he created and lead Microsoft and look at where he is right now.
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@asurveys313 (7)
• United States
8 Jun 08
I think it is IMPOSSIBLE for something like this not to bother a sane person. How can a man who atteneded such a church for 20 years of his life not be affected by the messages it delivered? How can a man who claimed that the pastor was a mentor and close to his family honestly say that he does not share in the man's views? It's all lies.