I thought Christians were'nt supposed to be judgemental-including gay people.

Wow, what a hot and interesting thread, although the topic is old and worn out! It is nearly midnight here and I am wide awake thanks to this thread. Well, I have already added a bit of fat to some of the most fiery spots in this discussion. Now, let me have my say. Why are Christians so judgmental? Ever read the Bible from front cover to back cover? Isn't it full of intolerance? Right from its first pages, when God kicks Adam out for, after all, eating a fruit! God could have forgiven Adam and given him some antidote to reverse the effects of the fruit, but no, he curses mankind and kicks Adam out, and today, our teeth still ache... all coz Adam ate the apple! Read the Bible... full of violence, genocide, rape, murder, child abuse.. name the crime or the immoral act and there it is... in the Bible. Now don't get me wrong... I love the Bible.. even in the midst of its bloodiest and most cruel pages, I could detect poetry and inspiration.. which makes the Bible a great work of art, nothing more than that. It certainly cannot be taken as a moral guide. And the NT is softer? Wow, read it again. Read Christ's rant against the Sadduccees and the Pharisees. Doesn't it sound similar to the average Christians rant against homosexuals? Luckily, they have left the divorcee alone coz half of them are divorced now!! So, the only victims are the hapless homosexuals!! Read the NT incident where Christ takes a whip and drives everybody out of the temple.. cursing the fig tree.. and so many more.. oh, the Bible is violent.. and as violent as it is, it is beautiful and poetic and inspiring. Reading the Bible is a great experience. It teaches you more about Christians than about Christ. It informs why Christians behave the way they do. Oh well.. how else can they behave after considering such violence as holy? Sorry if you don't like my post... but since you belong to a liberal church that accepts homosexuals with open arms, I hope that you will be tolerant toward my view of the Bible. I am not a Christian, but I do believe in God. Cheers and happy mylotting

God loves the sinner but HATES the sin.

A good christian will not judge you, but he will simply point out that Homosexuality is a sin highly offensive to God-If you are a pagan, you can ignore that advise, but yyou will neve be a christian and still practice homosexuality and claim all is well with your faith! The very bible you quote has condemned homesxuality-Lots Kids were turned into stone of salt by the wrath of God for their indulgence in homosexuality.

If the Christian is practicing "true Christianity", than yes, we should love and accept all people as part of God's creation and love them as He would. "Accept" does not mean to condone anything they do as okay. We all do sinful things, or hurtful things, or even things against the 10 commandments. Homosexuality just happens to be more visible and "in your face" sometimes and that makes it seem like a "bigger" sin.

I've been told that I am not a Christian because I believe in gay rights. I've also been told that because I do not believe that bible is the complete and true word of God, that I am bound for hell. I'm trying to understand why. For every verse in the bible there are several possible interpretations and many, many translations. The "clobber" verses are but 6. Many Christians will skip over the Levitical laws tht they are breaking, but jump on Lev 18 and 20. Then they skip the Gospels althogether and jump to Paul. I don't get it. I wish I did. I might make it easier.

My sister's church (Catholic) supports the local gay pride events, and welcomes anyone from the gay community. I remember how excited I was when I found out about you, I agree completely! Being in service to God means loving all his (or her) creatures! :-)

That is what it is meant to be, only Jesus did not Judge, instead they Judged him-so as mortals here on earth, we have no choice but to accept our falliability-we sin, we are arrogant and we somtimes assume self righteousness even when there is a whole log in our eyes! Dont let the idea of christians judging others affect your christian walk-emulate Jesus and you will never go wrong!

A true Christian is one who believes all of God's Word and not just bits and pieces. God's Word clearly says that homosexual behavior is wrong in the eyes of God. It is a sin. It is one of many, many sins and we are all guilty of sin. It is not wrong to say that homosexuality is a sin when the Bible clearly says that it is. We are to love the sinner but hate the sin. That is how God loves us. He loves us inspite of our sins. That is why He sent His Son, Jesus Christ...to save us from our sins. We all need to repent and come to Jesus. God bless.

Ahh Bon Bon you are a breath of fresh air in a polluted atmosphere of predjudice. I think you are a better christian than people give you credit for.. I agree with you totally, what ever happened to 'live and let live'? some people fall into the 'evil of ignorance'.. making mass sweeping generalizations with little or no thought and twisting opinion and presenting it as fact. It comforts me to know that for every biggot polluting the air, there is someone who proves them wrong through deed's and not words.

Christians are not supposed to be judgmental at all nor gay people. judge not lest thou be judged, I believe that and that is how I treat everyone. I do not want to be judged nor do I want to judge others. I also elive in God and am a Christian but some of my best friends are gay, and so what they are good people just like some christians are good people.I believe in the golden rule and it has never let me down.

You're both right and wrong. Matthew 7:1 does say, "Do not judge, or you too will be judged." The next verse says, "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the same measure you use, it will be measureed to you." Christians are supposed to love everyone - their neighbors and even their enemies. But that does not mean they need to condone behaviors that - in the Bible - are considered sins. Those include both gay relationships and male/female relationships outside of marriage. My pastor covered these verses just the other day and told us that most people totally misunderstand them. Judging in itself is not bad, as long as we realize that in judging we open ourselves up for judgement as well. The Bible also tells us that if our brother sins, we're supposed to go to him and talk with him. If that doesn't work, we're supposed to take two more with us. And if that doesn't work, we're supposed to present the matter before the whole church. Few churches do that anymore, if they ever did. :-) Jesus loves us all. We're all imperfect. While I don't think he wants us to harbor hate in our hearts, I also don't think he wants us to ignore sins that we or our brothers commit - no matter what they are. It's a bit complicated, huh? Sure, the best bet is to love everyone. But we should not ignore what's in the Bible while we're doing that.

Yes. It's true you are not judgemental and I as a Christian am not either. However, I can not abide by the law of God and try to please the world at the same time. The Bible is VERY clear on homosexuality. Leviticus 20:13 says "If a man lies (lays)with another man as with a woman,both of them have committed an abomination....." But obviously old testament texts need to be outweighed with the New Testament so Romans 1:26,27 say: "For this reason God gave them up to vile passions,even their women "exchanged" the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise, also the men leaving the natural use of the women, burned in their lust for one another, MEN with MEN committing what is SHAMEFUL and receiving in themselves the penalty of their errors." So my friend what do you think that penalty is? Eternal damnation.

To judge a person and to judge a sin are too completely different things. Christians should never judge people. God is the only one qualified to judge. No person truly knows the heart of anyone else. Sin shouldn't be ignored, though. Anyone who ignores sin is asking for trouble.

There is no one more judgmental than those who use religion as a threat and a means to make everyone else's choice for them. Whatever religion they are they think that is the one true religion, and everyone else's is false. Unfortunately Christianity is so prevalent in the USA it is seeping into our schools and government buildings telling us what we do and how we should act and what we should think, because they think they are right. Don't judge me based upon my beliefs and I won't pick out the flaws in yours. PAGAN AND PROUD!!!

I consider myself a believer in God, and my congregation welcomes gay people with open arms. In fact, there are gay ordained ministers, since 1988 infact. So, because I'm tolerant, and loving, doesn't make me less of a Christian Bravo to you AND to your congregation first off!! Thats so nice to read....And YES there are gay and lesbian ordained ministers so a big BRAVO for that as well..and finally you are SO RIGHT..being tolerant and loving DOES NOT make you any less Christian IN FACT I would have to say that it makes you MORE Christian and that you have a far better understanding of what God wishes for his ppl...Kudos to you! As for those Christians (so called IMO) that hide behind the bible..well IMO they are just mindless sheep who straight up dont get it and are incapable of thinking for themselves so they play follow the leader....problem is, the leaders they follow are clueless, hateful narrowminded ppl who really dont understand what god really wants from them..Instead they continue to play silly little mindgames that started centuries ago over fear and hatred.....

I agree with you. I have plenty of gay and lesbian friends. In fact, most of my gay friends bring joy to our lives. Like you, I don't like it when people are judgemental, specially just because someone is gay. Being gay is definitely not a sin. In the eyes of God, we are all equal --whether man, woman, gay or lesbian.

Unfortunately there are Christian sects that tend to denounce anything that isn't according to their belief system...and not necessarily according to the Bible but their interpretation of it which is vastly different...such people like this have the firm belief that only their faith is the true one and only they will go to heaven for such beliefs..the rest of us are condemned to hell...well gee, an awful lot of us will be going to hell then. I find a real contradiction for instance with the Catholic beliefs...here in NYC area, gays are not allowed to parade during the St. Patrick's Day parade which passes by St. Patrick's Cathedral...GIVE ME A BREAK ...most priests ARE gay themselves...so isn't that being hypocritical? My mother used to volunteer her time at St. Patrick's and she told me 95 percent of all the priests were gay... It's really sad....but there are just too many Christian sects that profess to love they neighbor and give lip service to being tolerant, when in fact they are the most closed minded and intolerant people going

I don't really think it's just christians who are judgmental on this issue, i can name some other religions that are in the same league and I don't believe that it has anything to do with being a christian at all, it's more on the person's principle, understanding and belief. I haven't heard our pope condemn homosexuality, as far as I know and remember.

Hello, Bonbon664! I agree with you. There is no reason for them to be judging and deciding what is or what isn't right in someone else's life. Their religion teach respect, but this is not what most of them shows. Many are disrespectful and intolerant towards not only homossexuality, but also atheists. I think that everybody should stop for a second and put their hands on their brains... Thinking a little bit before judging somebody is the best action to take. Respectfully, Munhozmib.

want to get fired up? read some of the comments I recieved on a similar topic. I have a young friend that is gay that handles the verbal abuse and discrimination with a grace that some people will never know. I know some very fine christians and I don't believe this is really their way.....it is some individuals that give their religion a bad name.