Why do we keep electing incumbents when Congress has a 9% approval rating?

@ladyluna (7004)
United States
July 11, 2008 7:05am CST
Hello All, How many times have you read, heard, or stated yourself that the current Presidential candidates represent a 'lesser of two evils' choice? Well, here's a bitter taste of reality: Neither Presidential candidate is going to be able to affect the kind of 'real change' that 'The People' have been clammoring for! The kind of 'change' that we long for stems from the control over our budgetary process, the matter of ETHICS, and the preservation of our sovereignty, vis a vis the guiding principles of the U.S. Constitution. In the U.S.A. those functions fall to the Congress -- The House AND the Senate. So, if you are among the 91% of Americans who believe that Congress is doing a lousy job, here is a really radical idea: VOTE THEM OUT! Why not make the commitment to vote out all incumbents? This will give us a 'clean slate' to begin formulating and enacting our future goals and plans with new representatives, who are free of the 'baggage' and petty rivalries that exist among the current batch of 'professional politicians' on the Hill. Some will say: "But, my Senator or U.S. Representative brings the bacon home to my state". While in the same breath, those same people will express idnignant outrage at out-of-control gasoline prices, and 'Bridges to Nowhere'. We should all remember that a President, ANY President, is at the mercy of the Congress. For some, our current Congress has gotten their blood boiling by continuing to fund the War in Iraq. For others, the irresponsible 'tax & spend' policies rattle their cages. Yet, when we look beyond the partisan issues, we are at near full agreement that the current Congress deserves to hear the words: "YOU'RE FIRED!" ____________________________________________________________ [b]My questions to you are: 1. Are you among the 91% who believe that Congress is doing a lousy job? 2. Are you planning on voting to keep your incumbents in office? Why or why not? 3. Will you finally make your voice be heard, by casting your ballot for OTHER THAN the same, old, partisan, bickering, self-serving politico's? [/b] Thanks for taking the time to respond. I look forward to reading all of your responses!
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
11 Jul 08
It's pretty simple ladyluna. Most voters are uneducated. Most vote based purely on name recognition. The guy with the most campaign signs wins. The guy with the most commercials wins. It's sad and pathetic but true. The worst part is that Congress is one of the places where third party candidates really can get elected. Of course most people will never read past the two names associated with the main political parties. They just keep checking off the same name every year.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
11 Jul 08
Hello Taskr, Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this issue. While you're probably right; that come November, Americans will be too habitual, too distracted, too lazy, too apathetic ... to take the time to check their representative's voting record(s). Though, never before has a U.S. Congress experienced such a low approval rating. Making this the first time in our history that the voter is consciously aware of how much a failure our Congress really is. There are 15.5 weeks, or four months between now and the election. I believe that that's enough time for We The People to create a viable peaceful revolution to take back our congress. This is not a partisan issue -- it's an issue that speaks to everyone! Any elected rep. who's currently in the House or the Senate, who has been an active part of this despicable Congress -- needs to get a 'pink slip'. Vote other than the incumbent, and let's clean the slate for a functioning Congress tomorrow! If nothing else, we'll scare the bejeebers out of both the parties that We The People are going to start hammering Congress for term limits, the way we did on illegal immigration. A little fear is a very good thing!
@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
11 Jul 08
My Congressmen Vic Synder is as usefull to me as a fried banana. The problem is my congressional district is heavily Democrat, with a large minority poulation. Since 1996 Republican have tried to beat him but does not look good that we are going to get rid of him this year. My State also has a Senator up for re-election Mark Pryor Dem, the problem is the State Republican party has not even fielded an opponent yet. Mark all ready has a war chest of 6 million dollars, so has basicly scared off anybody that would run against him. This guy always takes two sides to each issue so he does not offend anyone. When voring for a time table for withdraw for Iraq he was the one that came up with the idea of a secret time table that only Congress and the President would know. Of course I will be voting against them even if I have to write someones name in.
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
11 Jul 08
Wow great job LadyLuna if I could give a best response on comments you would have gotten one with that response.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
11 Jul 08
Gee, thanks Gewcew!
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11 Jul 08
well said
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• United States
11 Jul 08
I have considered running against my own congressman for his seat. After looking into it, I gave it up. Why? It is that 'bringing home the bacon' business. My congressman is excellant at that. Being honest, I would admit during any campaign that not only could I not do anywhere near as well, but that other congressmen would retalitate against me to see that our district received NO federal largress. There are sub-sections of this congressional district that would flat out reject my candidacy on this basis alone. I could expect at most to receive 10% of the vote. So, while congress deserves to hear, "YOU'RE FIRED!" it will not happen soon. Too many people only think short term. These short term thinkers will not fire our congress. That said, I am willing to vote for other parties in different elections this year except the presidency. Obama is too dangerous to throw away a vote against him when McCain might win.
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
11 Jul 08
You have Marion Berry do you not? I have the more liberal Vic Sydner as a Congressmen. How did we get cursed with these losers.
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• United States
11 Jul 08
Yes, my congressman is Marion Berry. He is one of the most partisan, liberal democratic congressman there is anywhere. Locally, our problem is that where I live is way out here away from most of Berry's district. My friends and I are much against Berry, but all the votes of all my neighbors are not enough to defeat Berry. Our few conservative votes were added to a largely liberal district. Gerrymandering strikes again.
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
11 Jul 08
Arkansas is a very gerrymandered state. How they have it almost all of the Republican counties are located in the NW. I am sorry but Vic is much more liberal than your Marion.
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@Guardian208 (1095)
• United States
14 Jul 08
Great post! I've always had a problem with our congress. (Notice I said our congress. As long as we think of our elected officials as a distant entity, we will not take ownership of their actions and not take action on our ownership.)My problem stems from their work ethic, or lack of it. When I leave my office at the end of the day, or the end of the week with loops left open, things left undone, I feel as though I have not lived up to my obligations to my clients. People expect me to do certain things for them. Rarely are my actions that time sensitive that it really matters, but it is a question of integrity. If I tell someone I am going to do something, then I will work as hard as I can to do it. After all, at the end of the day all I have to offer is my reputation and my honor. Congress could seemly care less about serving the nation or the citizens, us. Their actions are VERY time sensitive and live may often hang in the balance. But they rarely if even work a 5 day work week. They leave their sessions with MUCH left undone. And it is not as though they will be back on Monday to finish, they can beout of session for quite some time while we wait for our masters to see fit to get some work done for us. It's offensive. So... 1. YES! 2. & 3. Honestly, I am not sure which ones are up for reelection. I will have to do more research on each of them to determine whether or not they have earned the right to return.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
14 Jul 08
Excellent response, Guardian! You've certainly honed in on one of my pet peeves with Congress -- the three day work week! When we have to ask why our national representatives are unwilling to put in an honorable weeks work -- there's definitely something wrong! I also agree that it's completely irresponsible to address the plethora of 'fluff' that makes its way to the Congressional Agenda, yet walk away from the really important issues. Though, I'd have to say that if legislative 'bundling' was prohibited, that the priority issues would actually be dealt with as just that -- priorities. Things are so out-of-whack in D.C. that I sincerely believe that the best way to hammer the message home is to fire every incumbent! They've made it perfectly clear that they're unwilling to rein themselves in, so the reining falls to us -- the voter!
• United States
14 Jul 08
Here is something else that "chaps my hide". Back at the turn of the century, the average work week as about 15 hours. It was increasing gradually at that time as some modernization was helping to take the burden off of the day long household tasks. After the "New Deal", the work week shot up to around 60 hours per week. Some time after that with unionization, the work week settled back down around 30 hours per week. At some point after WWII (I apologize that I don't remember the dates or the motivation) congress decided that the appropriate work wee was 40 hours per week and set that as the standard work week. Funny how our congress is still working on the pre-New Deal work week.
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• United States
18 Jul 08
Thanks for the BR!
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@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
11 Jul 08
Ladyluna, This is the largest pet peeve I have with our congress and the American people! Why, if we see that they are NOT doing a good job, do we continue to vote them back in election after election? Like Gewcew and Redyellowblackdog I am an Arkansan. I live in the 4th district and have Mike Ross as my congressman and form his website can only gather that he is not up for re-election this year since there are no re-election banners on his website! My answers to your questions are: 1) YESSS!! I am amoung the 91% and was more than likely there when it was just 1 or 2%! 2) NO! I will not vote to keep the incumbents in office! It will probably mean I will once again have to leave that box blank because, as Gewcew said, the republican or independant parties don't have a strong turnout in Arkansas! Case in point; every time I go to my polling place there is a rather large block on my ballot that has "running uncontested" and a huge list of 20 to 30 names and the offices they are running for. All of these people are running on the democratic ticket with no republican or independant to even give them a run for their money! 3)I don't know who if anyone is up for re-election in my state but you can bet my vote will not be for an incumbent! Finally, your discussion really says multitudes for the passage of term limits! Congress, just like the presidency, was NEVER meant to be a career! There are two things in our national electorate that needs to change(well really three but we will leave the electoral college for another discussion) The term of congressmen/women and the term of president of the US! They should ALL get one 6 or 8 year term and come and go together! That way there would be no mid-term election for congressmen or senators and no re-election campaign for a president! They would, in my opinion, be forced to work with each other because they would know this was the only shot they would get! Their political legacy would be determined on how well they governed in thos 6 or 8 years and there would be no do-overs!
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
12 Jul 08
Sorry to hear that you have Mike Ross. If a President can only serve two term so to should Senators. Congressmen should be limited two four which would be eight year same as the President.
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@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
11 Jul 08
One other thing I meant to add to this discussion was somehing I found while checking out Mike Ross's voting record. I will give you the HR numbers so you can check this out for yourself. HR960, HR933 and HR 947 are the three I saw and these were all on the same page, there were probably more, but, do you have any idea what these bills were about and what the fine elected officials of our government were voting on here? One bill was whether or not to congratulate the NY Giants on their superbowl win and their "unprecidented" post season run! Another was about the same wording but it was to congratulate the LSU Tigers for their national championship and the other was to congratulate the prime minister of North Korea on his election win and encourage him in his transition! Now I ask you; although these are comendable actions, is this something we are paying these elected officials to do? Shouldn't these all come under a blanket "congrats" for the whole year? Exactly why does the congress feel the need to VOTE on these things? Just thought someone might like to know!
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
12 Jul 08
One last thing congratulating the Gaints, the Tigers, and North Korean has to be better than investigating baseball steriods.
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• United States
11 Jul 08
1. NO, I am not happy with the job they are doing. 2. Absolutely NOT am I going to vote in the same person again. (I want to look for a third party person who may HAVE innovative thoughts! I am tired of Rep. or Dem!) 3.Have been trying to be heard for years and will continue to. The Republican and Democratic parties are TOO SMUG! We need to start looking a to third party people to elect and SHAKE THINGS UP! A country as large as the USA needs more than just two lame candidates to choose from!!! We need to see ALL choices. But until the TV channels will allow third party candidates to also be heard..we are screwed!(Tired of their views being censored out.)
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
11 Jul 08
Hello Gargoyle, Well, this may just be your year to be heard! There are so many disatisfied voters that a growing number of voters, on both sides of the aisle, are finding themselves sharing your third-party view. Though, from a pragmatic stand-point, we're probably a long way away from either: viable third parties, -or- the insistance that candidates run without party affiliation. In the interim, making the concerted effort to NOT re-elect incumbents will not only send a powerful message to those incumbents, and their respective parties, but it will also 'clean the slate' of the existing voting blocks, and petty rivalries between the deceivers who consistently call their congressional associates "my esteemed colleague", while at the same time, stabbing each other in the back at every turn!
• United States
11 Jul 08
Gargoyle I actually liked Ron Pauls, platform and hoped very much he would make it as an independent. I liked everything he had to say, I still do and support him in earnest. I knew however it was a losing game.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
12 Jul 08
Lady Luna, That was very well put! I think a lot of people don't realize that Congress makes the decisions. In answer to your questions, 1. yes they are doing a very crappy job. 2. I plan to vote against incumbents this year. 4. My vote always counts!
@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
13 Jul 08
Hello Laglen, Thank you for the kind words, and for your willingess to take an educated stand! And, thanks for sharing that you KNOW that your vote counts! That's a very empowering bit of knowledge!
@MntlWard (878)
• United States
12 Jul 08
Well, a lot (not me this year, but a lot) of people are happy with their own Senators and Representatives, but are dissatisfied with those other guys, with their "bridges to nowhere" and such.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
13 Jul 08
Hello MntlWard, Yes, I suspect that you're right. Though, I wonder ... how many of those 'satisfied with their own' voters will bother to check to see if their elected representative voted 'for' or 'against' that 'bridge to nowhere'? Or, how often they vote? Or, whether they vote on the tough issues, or the fluff? Or, whether they pen & sponsor their own bills? Or, whether they're sycophants, who just vote with their party block? Or, if they are doing the job they were hired to do, by using their own 'noggin' to earnestly represent their own constituents? Any American can check up on their elected rep's by accessing the following link: http://www.ontheissues.org
@Smith2028 (797)
• United States
12 Jul 08
I am one of the 91%, however, I am planning on leaving my incumbents in place. And I am sure I am one of the many reasons why most people will leave their incumbents in place. I live in a conservative state and am luckily represented by Conservative people. Despite my profile, I actually live in Indiana. Senator Lugar and Congressman Mike Pence are two of the best people I know. They truly have the best interest of Indiana when they vote. Now, if I lived elsewhere, it would be a different story. If I lived in the following states, I would get rid of incumbents: California Oregon Washington Arizona Texas Iowa Kansas Arkansas Missouri Mississippi Alabama Kentucky Tennessee Illinois Michigan Ohio New York Connecticut Vermont New Hampshire Maine Minnesota Wisconsin Pennsylvania
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
13 Jul 08
Hello Smith, Nice to visit with you again! Thanks for stopping by. I realize that you are very involved with the political process. Though, if you'll indulge me for just a moment: This year I voted against a long-standing member of my party in the primary. This particular representative has a history of keeping the best interests of my state very much in mind. Yet, that Rep has been unable (or unwilling) to maintain the balance of keeping our state's interests in mind, while also keeping the nation's interests in mind. That Rep. has been great at bringing home the bacon, yet has developed a pattern of trading votes for that bacon by voting for other legislators pork. While this may seem to serve my best interests, as a citizen of my state, it is a short-sighted interest. Meaning that this vote trading practice is definitely NOT in the best interests of any of us! That Rep. (though certainly not alone) is unwilling to push for straight up and down votes on 'unpackaged', stand-alone bills. Any Representative who has become complacent with this absurd practice of traded 'back scratching', despite the long-term negative impact -- is definitely part of the problem and not the solution! As Rodney so poignantly pointed out: There is a plethora of drivel or fluff that is considered our 'national interest'. When Rep's are willing to tolerate nonsense, while being unwilling to tackle the horns of what many believe to be the biggest problems on the Hill (irresponsible legislative practice and self-serving hackery), then it's time to either twist the arms of the current representation, or to bring in a new team. Some would argue that we've been 'twisting arms' for some time, to no avail. If your Rep's are truly willing to give up the nonsense, and re-embrace the Constitutional vision of legislating, then terrific. If they're not, or are only willing to give it a half-hearted effort, then it's time to bring in new blood. At least in my honest opinion!
@jaredlp (418)
• United States
11 Jul 08
the 9% that are doing well are the ones representing me.. yours are the problem ones. you should put young non seniored congressman in. mine are doing a great job.
@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
11 Jul 08
Hello Jaredlp, Lucky you! Aho are your terrific representatives?
@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
11 Jul 08
Sorry, Jaredlp, That should read "who are your representatives?".
@jaredlp (418)
• United States
11 Jul 08
i wasnt being literal .. more of my take on what must be going through peoples heads.
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@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
26 Aug 08
I think a good quote is in order for this discussion: Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. -Mark Twain 1. Congress is not living up to its collective promises by any means=lousy job. 2. It depends on whether I think my incumbents are responsible for the mess or are trying to be part of the solution whether I'd put them back in office. There have to be at least a few good souls in Congress. My guess is they're badly outnumbered by the dark side. 3. If I can cast my vote for better candidates, of course I will want to do so.
@theprogamer (10532)
• United States
16 Aug 08
"Why do we keep electing incumbents when Congress has a 9% approval rating?" Two main reasons. One, the people actually agree or they have some benefit from electing certain tools back to office. Two, the people don't know what (oh, I meant "who"...sorry _) they are electing. You've seen/read me long enough, so the answer to question 1 should be obvious. -_- I haven't decided much for 2 since mine are new now... I'm not all that impressed though. I don't know about 3 since rarely is an independent run for the seats. I do know that even though the seats were switched to D control, there hasn't been much change or anything worth attention.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
21 Aug 08
Hey there Progamer, Thanks for sharing your thoughts here. I believe that both of your reasons are 100% supported by the facts. Geesh, look at how shocked we are when 'our' elected representative gets caught up in a scandal. The political marketing world knows the value of incumbency. The value of name recognition is huge! Why? It certainly isn't because the majority of voters pay attention to the votes that their rep's cast. Rather, it's because name recognition gives the sense that we know what we're talking about. Of course, there are exceptions, political junkies as it were (we've a few of those right here, eh? chuckle, chuckle). Yet, the overwhelming majority of voters have proven that they don't have the first notion of how to find out how their rep voted on a particular issue. In their defense, that's not always an easy bit of information to glean. Geesh, even using the Thomas.gov directory requires that the user know something about the bill to be able to connect a bill to a rep's vote. Anyway, thanks for sharing Gamer -- your points are 'spot on'!