I think creationism and evolution can happily coexist.
By bonbon664
@bonbon664 (3466)
Canada
July 30, 2008 6:00pm CST
I don't understand why these two ideas of life can't coexist. I believe in God, but, I don't believe he created the earth and everything on it in 7 literal days of 24 hours each. I believe "he" created evolution. I think he created the first single cell organisms, and things evolved from there. Why can't that be the way things happened? Why can't the 7 days described in the bible be a thousand years each? Doesn't that make more sense than God waving his hand and creating everything we know in 7 days? Works for me, what do you think?
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@c2k2008 (92)
• Jamaica
31 Jul 08
I think what u r saying makes a lot of sense. I strongly believe the major reason for these 2 ideas of life cant coexisting is FEAR. Fear from both a scientist and a christian point of view. i don't think scientist want to believe that there is an all powerful source that they cannot and will never be able to fully comprehend. I think Christians r afraid to lose all they have believed in for thousands of years. In spite of this it does look ridiculous for us to believe that someone waved there hands and created the entire world in days, but what if God really does have the power to do that, maybe that's why he is GOD.
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@Uroborus (908)
• Canada
31 Jul 08
I applaud your style of thinking, but there is a problem. Creationism is a specific form of belief. It is the religious belief that humans, life, the earth and the Universe were created in their original form, and have been in this form since creation. What you say is reasonable, but it cannot be creationism. The people who came up with creationism did it to deny evolution, any evolution, whether that evolution was started by God or occured naturally.
What you describe is actually fine from the point of view of evolution alone. Evolution doesn't say anything about how the process all got started. It talks about how things evolved and new life forms created after the process began. So Evolution doesn't exclude God, while creationism does exclude evolution.
The other problem with the two coexisting ins that evolution is not over. It is process that is still continuing, things are still changing and new species evolve. So, no matter long of a period of time you interpret for the "7 days", creationists will never accept that God will continue to pop in and out of the evolution picture to keep on creating new species.
Creationism is an inflexible point of view. Coexisting cannot happen when people take such a stance.
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@sisterjinx (1135)
• United States
31 Jul 08
Bravo Bonbon! I so very much agree with this. I can't even add anything to it to make it better. You said it so well.
@meggan79 (436)
• United States
31 Jul 08
I am in the same catagorey with you. I do believe in god, but I also believe in evolution. I believe over time we evolve to fit our surroundings. I think people are so worried about being right that they miss out on other possibilities. I don't think you have to give up your faith to take on new ideas.
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@soooobored (1184)
• United States
31 Jul 08
That's always been the position I've held, and I'm definitely an evolutionist! I love religion, I just don't love religion in spite of physical evidence.
I really hope someone here posts a contrary view, I'm very curious. I've never met a creationist, and I would really like to hear what s/he has to say!
:-)
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@lingli_78 (12822)
• Australia
31 Jul 08
well, i believe whole-heartedly in the Bible and that God created the world in 7 days... i don't believe in evolution as evolution means improving or perfecting something that is already there while creation means creating something from nothing (ex de nihilo) which only God can do that... our God is a mighty God and there is nothing that he can't do... by believing in the evolution theory, we are undermining God's power and it is a sin... take care and have a nice day...
@II2aTee (2559)
• United States
31 Jul 08
Maybe God created man, with the intention of man growing and evolving. I dont think that would contradict your religious views. Human kind is always evolving and growing. Just look at cities... technology... everything man has created. We are always striving to better ourselves. And that dosent mean that God didnt have a part in all that.
@bonbon664 (3466)
• Canada
1 Aug 08
I think God had a part in creating life, but, I don't believe he waved his hand and created billions of species in 7 days.
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@stvasile (7306)
• Romania
31 Jul 08
I salute you as a person that has something inside the skull!
Most people can't even conceive that if the Bible says "7 days", that doesn't mean it's talking about 24 hour days. It's right there in the Bible! will be the only answer you will get, although, it's a fact that theologists agree those days from the Genesis must not e taken literally.
On the other hand, there are some evolutionists that know at some point there is no explanation to how things came to be, but refuse to accept an intervention from a superior being.
To conclude, I also thing a combination of the two ideas is the most acceptable theory to explain the emerging of life (until further proof, at least).
@bonbon664 (3466)
• Canada
31 Jul 08
I'm waiting for responses to the contrary though, because I think a lot of people think it's one or the other.
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@soooobored (1184)
• United States
31 Jul 08
I'm with you, I would like to see a creationist outline the argument in a way I can understand, I've never really "gotten it".
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@foxyfire33 (10005)
• United States
31 Jul 08
I always thought that 7-24 hour days was a manmade timeframe and never made a bit of sense. If God wanted to snap his fingers and make everything in a second he could have so why would he stretch it out over a manmade timeframe. I think the concept of evolution was just too hard to understand during the time the Bible was written so the writers put it in terms people would understand. A "God day" could very easily be millions of "man days (or years)". I think there is enough scientific evidence to show that the man made Bible version is flawed...like the existence of dinosaurs, But that desn't mean one our the other is completely wrong.
@bonbon664 (3466)
• Canada
1 Aug 08
That's what I figure, I think a "God day" could be millions of our years.
@lalchetian (410)
• India
31 Jul 08
why don't you think that every thing was created by itself and they have a property of evolving and if nothing can be created by itself then who created god??
@II2aTee (2559)
• United States
31 Jul 08
Kudos on a very well thought out and intelligent question posed... and good luck with the contraversy it is sure to stir up!
I read all the responses and it seems to have begun already. I have long since decided to let both theories alone. It seems religious people are very protective of their theory of creation. Even now, when you offer a very logical common ground where everyone can meet - they resist.
Good luck my friend, you have my full support, as always :)
@bonbon664 (3466)
• Canada
1 Aug 08
Thank you! It seems that we meet up in many discussions, and always happy to see you there my friend.
XOXOX
@kenzie45230 (3560)
• United States
31 Jul 08
I believe that God created the earth and moon and stars. I'm not sure if it matters if it took Him 7 days or 7 years to do that, although the Bible does tell us that on the 7th day He rested...and that's certainly an indication that we all need to have a day of rest too. Plus...it's been proven that carbon dating is no indication of how old anything is. Not when they can duplicate things in labs that look like they're thousands of years old.
So far there is no proof - in the fossils - that there was any evolution that created man. That's what bothers most people I know who are Christians. Having no proof today doesn't mean it doesn't exist. But so far every time science thought they found the missing link - the jump from beast to man - it has been proven to be something else.
@soooobored (1184)
• United States
31 Jul 08
Kenzie,
I am curious about the "missing link"? I am providing a link to a popular phylogeny, if you are interested in looking it over:
http://creation.wiki.org/Paleoanthropology
It's blue, almost halfway down the page. There are certainly other phylogenies, and other constructions of the relationships between fossils, but they aren't necessarily worth discussing here.
What I don't understand is the position that there is no fossil proof evolution created man. I don't ask to attack your views, I'm asking because I'm not really sure what the position is: Is the creationist belief that these are all versions of one species? Or is it that these creatures were all designed independently of one another?
Thanks!
@chima78 (11)
• Canada
31 Jul 08
Both creationism and evolution are theories. One supposedly comes from God and the other comes from man.
Now, the point you make bonbon is that while you say that both ideas should coexist, your belief in God influences what you think evolution is. If I read you correctly, evolution is a man-made theory and since man is created by God, evolution is thus also created by God. But not everyone believes in God. Some believe in science, some even believe in nothing at all. The pious will say that science and even "nothing" are God's creations, because God is omnipresent, but that belief is confined to them alone and their piousness justifies their belief.
However, just as convincingly as you could argue your point about creationism, I could go a step further and say that evolution is greater than God. Evolution has given us our consciousness and has allowed us to record our belief in God over the millennia. Without evolution, we would not exist and hence, since God is a human belief, God would not exist either. Neither you nor I would be right on this issue, because consensus doesn't exist.
These theories pose existential questions for which there is no answer. As a result, they will be forced to coexist forever.
@liltunergirl (467)
• Canada
31 Jul 08
You know what's funny is that I always said the same type of thing. Who said that Adam and Eve were Human like us? The bible certainly doesn't say "Human, Adam and Eve". It's just 2 names. Maybe they were a type of animal and evalution followed. Considering this happened so many years ago, there is no living proof that Adam and Eve were human looking creatures. They are depicted as that in illustrations but that's just one man's image of how they might have looked.
I think we are on to something and I think both theory's are correct and coexist.
@bonbon664 (3466)
• Canada
1 Aug 08
You said what I've been thinking, who know's if Adam and Eve were human as we know it. Good point!
@rsa101 (38166)
• Philippines
31 Jul 08
Yeah very true, I also have that kind of an idea myself about how things were made. I think God showed us this things to correct the impression on how things were made. What was known before was inadequate as they were not given the privilege to be introduced to science. But now God granted us to know more about how things were created and I think it is just right that things would go this way.
@Feona1962 (7526)
• United States
31 Jul 08
The 7 days in which he spent creating, weren't necessarily 7 days in a row....It could have been 1 day and then 100 years later another day and so on...We think of 7 days as Sunday through Saturday...but I don't believe he created it all in 7 days in a row....
We all interpret things differently....We weren't around when he was creating so we don't really know what a day actually consist of....we will never know....
I totally agree with you...
@anawar (2404)
• United States
31 Jul 08
bonbon, I'm always wondering why God is spoken of as a he, even if the word is put into quotes? Sometimes I think g*d was created in the image of man.
It's possible some people need to believe in a g*d and others manage without a diety. There is an area in a human's brain that indicates mankind is always searching for a higher spiritual level, or a g*d.
Consider this, no one can decide there is no g*d without considering there might be a g*d.
If people take comfort from the Bible, then they are blessed. People who search for answers elsewhere are more challenged and study different mystical religions or beliefs, exploring other pathways. Two people who believe in two different things might one day meet on the same path. After all, aren't we all looking for the same thing?
I don't think there can be an agreement between creation and evolution. It's not possible to agree using words, because so many emotions are attached to the words.
The union is within and I don't know what that means. Please forgive me if I don't keep up with this discussion. I'll try to, but the outside world is demanding my attention.
Blessed be.
@bonbon664 (3466)
• Canada
31 Jul 08
I don't think the two ideas have to be mutually exclusive. I think the two paths already meld somewhere.
@guybrush (4658)
• Australia
31 Jul 08
I think everyone should be tolerant of the views of others. I have friends of many different religions and beliefs, and we all respect eachother and don't try to force our personal views. I have pagan views, and watch the cycles of the moon, sun, planets and seasons. While we are on this earth we will never know for sure how things began - but we can watch the miracles of nature every day.
@crazy286 (269)
• India
31 Jul 08
God exists for people who think he exists and he doesnt if we think he doesnt. God is one. there is no need to fight in the name of God and religion. If that debate was so important, i dont think the human race would have flourished for so many years. the two beliefs can happily co exist as you said.