The right to vote
By clrumfelt
@clrumfelt (5490)
United States
August 7, 2008 8:43am CST
Currently in the USA, convicted felons who serve time behind bars also forfeit their right to vote in elections. Lots of politicians would like to see theserights restored to ex-felons, claiming that it disproportionately targets black
and Mexican citizens because more of them are imprisoned on felony convictions
than others. What's your opinion on this? Should felons' voting rights be reinstated after they have served their time?
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23 responses
@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
7 Aug 08
No. Felons never really 'pay for their crime or pay their dept to society' when they serve time in prison. Instead, they have amply demonstrated their unfitness to exercise the rights of citizens. No convicted felon, (unless exconerated) should ever be allowed to vote.
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@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
8 Aug 08
Your point is a valid one. Felonies are serious crimes and do we really want thos who commit them to be choosing our government officials? It puts a more serious face on felonies by permanent loss of rights. If felonies were punished with only a slap on the wrist perhaps people would not view those crimes as seriously as they should.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
7 Aug 08
There are some states where felons can have their right to vote reinstated. I wouldn't mind restoring those rights to non-violent felons. Burglary, for example, is a felony which, by itself, is little more than trespassing. The only difference is that burglary includes the intent to commit a crime, typically theft.
Murderers, rapists, child molesters, and people convicted of armed robbery will get no sympathy from me. Most of them shouldn't even be allowed to walk the streets again.
I don't buy into the idea that it targets minorities at all. Nobody is forcing those minorities to commit felony crimes. They all made their choice not to participate in our society as law abiding citizens and they can face the consequences. The last thing we need is the Aryan Nation assembling to vote in elections. Just think of all the organized prison gangs that could vote in our elections if we didn't suspend their voting rights. They could be as powerful as other political interest groups.
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@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
7 Aug 08
I agree there shouldn't be any blanket approval given to restore all felons voting rights. I hope if they decide to restore them it will be limited to people who have committed nonviolent crimes. If they want to link it to descrimination they should do it BEFORE the crimes are committed by better educational programs to help the minority citizens make informed choices and hopefully choose to steer clear of crime, not retroactively after they have committed the offences.
@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
17 Aug 08
EXCUSE ME?
Burglary is a VERY serious crime! I've had it happen several times, & if you think someone taking your things is all it's about, then you must never have experienced it! It's a lot like having been raped (& again I speak from experience); you lose all sense of privacy & safety! It used to turn my stomach to look at my bed & KNOW some creeps had crawled right across it after they jimmied open my window!
No, crime is crime, though a FEW are a lot worse (such as the =hideous= things Willie Horton did), but don't you DARE write BURGLARY off as "barely more than trespassing!!!"
Maggiepie
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@p3halliwel2005 (3156)
• Philippines
8 Aug 08
I believe everyone should be given the right to vote. For me, it doesn't matter if you are a felon or not as long as you are a citizen of that country then I believe everyone should be given the right to choose as well.
@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
8 Aug 08
When politics becomes softer on crime I think we are all in trouble. Felon offenses need to be pushished with not merely a slap on the wrist. Felons losing their voting rights serves as a lasting reminder that crime doesn't
pay.
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@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
8 Aug 08
Interesting idea. Exile has been the answer to crime in many countries for generations.
@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
17 Aug 08
Yeah! Let's put them to work busting MOON rocks!
Maggiepie
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@martahandey (165)
• United States
8 Aug 08
I think it should after they serve their time. But as a prisoner, they forfeit all rights as citizens, so it's only right for them to not get to vote. After they serve their time... it seems to me that it would only be right for them to be able to vote again. I mean, since all of their rights are restored.. that should be too! Interesting topic though!
@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
8 Aug 08
Felony crimes need a stigma attached to them that will cause people to view them as extremely serious. We must be careful to serve severe punishments for them so that people will realize the seriousness of the offenses. I don't think becoming softer on crime is ever a good idea.
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@WoazMM (38)
• United States
8 Aug 08
No one should ever be denied the right to vote unless they pulled a SERIOUS crime(makes national and/or international news for days). Besides, some people in jail may be innocent, it's rare, but it happens/ Do we really want to deny those people the right to vote?
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@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
8 Aug 08
Felons have redress in the courts. If they get their convictions overturned they can have their voting rights restored. I question the value of allowing convicted felons to elect my government officials. The loss of rights serves as a valuable deterrent in how people view felony crimes.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
8 Aug 08
Felonies by definition are serious crimes. You can't use headlines as a litmus test for which crimes are more serious than others. There are rapes and murders in this country every day that never make national headlines, much less international headlines. In the meantime the guy who stole OJ Simpson's personal possessions and tried to sell them was on the news for weeks. I'd much rather reinstate his voting rights than some rapist or murderer that didn't make headlines.
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
7 Aug 08
Felons do not deserve to be able to vote, I do not care if they are Mexican or Black. The only politicians that I can think of that would think this would be a good idea are soft on crime Democrats. Think about, criminal are only going to vote for a candidate that they think will be easy on them. Imagine election day in a jail. Imagine a politician campaigning in a prison. What non sense!
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@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
8 Aug 08
I completely agree that offenses committed by the felons should determine their punishments and they should leave race out of it.
@tlb0822 (1410)
• United States
8 Aug 08
I think that after a felons time is served then they should be able to vote. I don't think they should be stripped of every single right. I good friend of mine recieved a felon when he was 18 years old for "stealing" his girlfriends car. Yeah one of those things, any way he is now a successful business owner, and should still be permitted to vote. I don't think that those still serving time should be given that right.
@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
8 Aug 08
The loss of voting rights ensures that felonies will be viewed as serious crimes. I think the deterrent value of the law gives it merit. However, if your friend can get his conviction overturned in a court of law, his right will be restored.
@cobrateacher (8432)
• United States
7 Aug 08
A person who has been released from prison and completed any paarole of probation needs has worked his/her way back into society. They've paid their dues. That should mean they're able to make a fresh start. Voting is such an important issue in a free country, continuing to deny rights to these people is, indeed, cruel and unusual punishment!
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@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
7 Aug 08
I think they should limit the restoration of voting rights by the seriousness of the offence that was committed by the felon.
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@cobrateacher (8432)
• United States
28 Aug 08
Thanks for the "best". Remember, we're talking about people who have completed their sentences successfully, so they've paid for whatever it was. Putting additional obstacles in their way can make it impossible for them to fully return to society, and those who are outsiders are more likely to offend. Once we've been paid, let's give them a chance!
@littleowl (7157)
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7 Aug 08
Hi circumfelt-thats the first I have heard about that personally I think it should be reinstated..though I live in the UK I don't even know if felons etc have their right to vote taken away..littleowl
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@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
8 Aug 08
Currently the states have control over granting felons the right to vote in state elections, but they still can't vote in federal ones. That would require a Constutional Ammendment. Personally I hope they keep the Constution the way it is.
@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
8 Aug 08
I was wrong about that. States can restore full voting rights.
@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
18 Aug 08
Voting should be the right to vote of all citizens, but when citizens commit atrocities agains other citizens, I think it is in order to abridge some of their rights as a deterrent. I don't think a slap on the wrist is an appropriate punishement for a felonious crime. They should have a lasting reminder. However, if there was no violence or abuse of others, there maybe should be a program whereby they could earn back that right. It should be a tough program, however, and many who truly value having the right to vote could have a way to earn it back.
@kenzie45230 (3560)
• United States
8 Aug 08
No, I don't think the right to vote should be reinstated. It's a right that can be taken away because one is convicted of a felony. When one breaks the law, there are consequences. This should be one of them.
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@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
17 Aug 08
Absolutely not. They knew before they committed the felon they would lose the right. The courts & law are already too soft on criminals as it IS. Voting is a right only law-abiding citizens DESERVE, & a felon should forever forfeit it. It serves as a stick or a carrot, depending on whether you're a criminal, or a decent citizen.
Maggiepie
@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
18 Aug 08
maggiepie, you make a compelling argument for stripping felons of their right to vote. I don't know about everyone else, but I don't want felons choosing my elected officials. Stripping voting rights also sends a powerful message to the felons that crime doesn't pay and perhaps help keep them on the path to reformation from their life of crime.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
7 Aug 08
Felonies are pretty serious crimes and I believe there were valid reasons for prohibiting convicted felons from voting in the first place that did not include racial or ethnic bias so, no, I don't think the demographics of that group is a valid reason for changing the current prohibitions on voting. In reality, the only thing people learn in prison is how to be better criminals, it does nothing to improve their character.
@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
8 Aug 08
Thanks for your comments. It doesn't pay for the government to become softer on crime than it already is. I hope the valid reasons for this law are revisited and people see the justification of it. Education BEFORE the crimes are committed is possibly the best way to prevent them, but after the felonies are committed the offenders should be dealt with as the criminals they are.
@James72 (26790)
• Australia
8 Aug 08
Yes, I believe that their rights SHOULD be reinstated. If they have done the crime and then done the time; then their perspective is just as important as anyone else's. Taking away this right if they are IN jail is fair enough because by breaking the law they have disrespected the system they answer to so should no longer be granted full access to all things a free person is. But once released and out of probation etc? A free citizen is a free citizen and rights need to be the same for ALL free citizens. The statement regarding blacks and Hispanics is also interesting and the more I think about it; it would not surprise me in the slightest if there WAS this type of mentality running behind everything.
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
7 Aug 08
I think it would depend on the felony. I don't want to be the one to draw the lines, but some are worse than others. I know a number of felons and they are pretty much good people who made mistakes. I guess if your still in jail you shouldn't have that right. If you have paid your debt and your crime was not too serious, you should get it back. I will also add that after a period of time, with a felony, you can get many things removed and have this right restored among others. Many people aren't aware of this and it goes unsaid.
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@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
7 Aug 08
I think you're right there should be a criteria for letting felons re-enter society with their rights restored. The loss of voting rights should be used only for the most extreme felony cases.
@michelech (15)
• United States
8 Aug 08
I think they should have the right to vote. A person is sentenced to prison to pay for his crime, right? I'm not saying this because of what politicians are saying; I just think it's a little 'overkill'.
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@tennesseejed (16)
• United States
7 Aug 08
This is a tough question because there are so many factors involved. I don't feel that a blanket law to reinstate all felons voting rights is feasible. Loosing your voting rights is a huge deterrent to committing a felony. That is essentially taking away your voice as an American. To the best of my understanding a felon can have voting rights and even all civil rights reinstated by a judge. This is done on a case by case basis with guidelines being different from state to state. I don't believe that changing this system is in our best interest. I am sure there are many convicted felons that have paid their debt to society and have reformed their ways. I also feel that in most cases if this person feels strongly about their right to vote and actually follows the necessary steps to obtain a hearing to request reinstatement of those rights they will receive them. In essence the system works the way it is.... If it aint broke.....you know.
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@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
8 Aug 08
Good observations, jed. There is still a place for the forfeiture of voting rights in the criminal justice system, but perhaps there is also a place for reformation and restoration for some offenders.