Credit Crunch - I know let's borrow some money!

@p1kef1sh (45681)
August 29, 2008 5:09am CST
I just received a piece of spam mail that suggested that I could borrow my way out of the credit crunch. Now, I appreciate that not everyone is financially as solvent as they would wish, but isn't it over borrowing that has got us in the economic mess that the World seems to be in? Is borrowing even more money the answer to our financial worries?
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• United States
30 Aug 08
people figure if they can turn 5 bills into 1 and have 1 due date instead of many then it might be easier for them to manage.. the problem is the interest and fines/fees add onto the debt.. but yeah your right.. everyone being irresponsible is why everything is screwed up now..
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
30 Aug 08
"Consolidate all your loans into one easy payment". That's very familiar. I don't know that everyone is entirely irresponsible, but they are led by the nose by the loan companies into thinking that it is "easy" to pay for something that they probably don't need, or even want sometimes. These companies are what are crippling our economies. We live in a borrow culture and then we get squeezed so hard with the repayments.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
30 Aug 08
For the Army to do that is just unacceptable. I hope that they paid any interest charges. They did that to me in Germany and I got my full pay, a personal visit from a finance guy to the bank and my interest back. But I had to make a fuss before they'd do it.
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• United States
30 Aug 08
true i should have said most people being irresponsible because i know when we got into trouble years ago it was because the army like lost his paycheck and gave it to us in 3 parts 3 months late and threw us all screwed up.. people dont plan for crap to happen and really a lot of crap SHOULDNT be able to happen but people and jobs are crazy now.. cant trust or count on anything anymore
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@guybrush (4658)
• Australia
30 Aug 08
I rip up all the letters that come offering us more and more money and bigger limits on credit cards - no thanks! We prefer to live within our means and wouldn't buy something if we didn't have the money for it. I suppose it's our generation - bankcards had only just come out when I was entering the workforce, and because my parents were of the 'neither a borrower nor a lender be' mentality, I've always gone along with that. I use a credit card only when I don't know how much money I'll need for something (for instance, when going to the dentist) - but then I'll go home and transfer money straight into the credit card online. Unfortunately, our 21yo lad is of a different generation, and is quite happy to have a personal loan and to overdraw his savings account ... grrrrrr! His three sisters are terrific with money - so I'd love to find my son a delightful girlie with a heart of gold and a knack for accountancy. She'd need both!
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
30 Aug 08
My parents were horrified when they had to take out a loan in the 60s. They saw it as something almost shameful. I've been solvent and heavily in debt - I know which I prefer - I'm solvent now and hopefully will stay this way. But I do wonder at the responsibility of some lenders. They'll give credit with no checks at all. If you find a girl that's like that, see if she's got a twin brother. I have a daughter that needs that kind of partner!
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
30 Aug 08
I think that they'd get on just fine. Whilst their parents fretted their lives away about how they were coping!! LOL. Daughter hasn't yet taken out any loans. We can give hr plenty of horror stories if she ever feels tempted. She was also very good last year and kept her account comfortably in credit at the bank. Just as well. This year she's renting a house and that's going to drain her of every penny. Thank heavens it's only for a year.
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@guybrush (4658)
• Australia
30 Aug 08
Hahahaha - how about I send my son for your daughter? They can bankrupt eachother, live in a muddle of wet towels and dirty coffee mugs and comb the knots out of eachother's hair! Seriously, we were appalled when our son told us he'd gone to the bank and applied for (and been granted!) a personal loan of $10,000 to buy a car. We'd told him we were happy to lend him the money rather than see him pay huge interest - but he said he wanted to be independent and didn't want to borrow from us again (we'd already lent him money for previous cars). I was disgusted the bank had lent him money when he was an apprentice earning (at the time) $260 per week. We thought it was absolutely unconscionable - but my husband pointed out our son was 20, and that the bank would consider him an adult and it probably wouldn't be right for Mummy to go down and give them a piece of her mind! I would have liked to have done that, though. Bast@rds.
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@pumpkinjam (8849)
• United Kingdom
30 Aug 08
I do agree with you that over borrowing is a huge contributor to the credit crunch. People got carried away and didn't know when to stop. Some people have no choice but to borrow because it's the only way they can afford to live. Others might borrow large amounts which they can pay back. The problem, I think, is those in the middle. The kind of people who are just greedy or will take a loan because it's there with no thought as to whether they can afford to repay it and then can't.
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@sid556 (30953)
• United States
30 Aug 08
It makes no sense at all to keep borrowing. If you notice...all the credit card debts are tied up in foreign countries. I try hard to live off of my means. I did, while raising my girls get caught up in the credit card stupidity. It was not for material gain...It was food and just to get by. 3 out of 4 have moved out of the house now and I went and consolidated locally. I should be debt free within a year. Credit cards are dangerous. Even in my situation, I have to think that I may have been a bit more frugal had I known the outcome. It may have been necessities but maybe i'd of bought more store brand items...less snacks...I don't know. I don't regret it....learned alot. I'd never done the credit card thing until I found myself in the position of single mom. I do feel good that I did not resort to welfare & they ate healthy & dressed decent. They did not have every toy that came out or even very many...none actually. I can't help but think there may have been other ways. My accounts were not behind when I consolidated and my credit is still in good standing. Now when I get the offers...I cut them up and throw them in the trash.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
30 Aug 08
Sid no matter what material things the children may or may not have had; you gave them the one thing that they need most - love. Credit is very beguiling, it looks so easy and then suddenly you are in deep and it's a long haul out. I have one credit card to cover my trips and emergencies. I don't do so many of the former now and haven't had the latter for a while either, thank goodness.
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@sid556 (30953)
• United States
1 Sep 08
Thanx for the kind words. You are so right...LOVE is the very most important thing you can give your child. I see the results of kids that have been handed everything without having to earn it and it is pretty darn sad. So many parents go into debt trying to keep up with everyone and please their kids with whatever new fad is out there and trying to be their "pal". It never works. I really had no choice in the matter...we were dirt poor. In retrospect, it wasn't so bad. I was always stressed, worried about the bills and keeping food in the house but the girls will say that they never felt we were poor. In many ways we were very rich...still are.
@littleowl (7157)
30 Aug 08
Hi p1ke am finding things hard myself and yes as you say borrowing is making things worse..problem is sometimes people cant see the light at the end of the tunnel..I cant..and reccession isn't helping..my sister is in a lot if debt as she has borrowed money and is living off credit cards and is thinking of seeling her house but it would be just as expensive to rent a flat as to pay her morgage..its just hard to know what is the answer to this mess..littleowl
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@littleowl (7157)
30 Aug 08
Hi p1ke..thanks for your concern I have managed to sort my situation out,,but my sister won'tshe is silly and as the saying goes pride comes before a fall...will have to wait and see how she deals with things eventually..littleowl
@Munchkin547 (2778)
30 Aug 08
I agree with you borrowing more money wouldn't seem to be the way forward! i get spam like this all the time and there's loads of adverts on tv! what always amuses me is the astronomical interest rates on some of these loans, you'd end up paying back an awful lot more than was borrowed in the first place! You're right, not everyone is as financially secure as they might like but i am a firm believer in living within your means, if you can't afford a new car, telly, whatever, you don't get one! I think a lot of people want things that they can't afford but go ahead and buy them on credit perhaps not thinking of the consequences! Admittedly it's not always easy not to overspend, especially with prices soaring but borrowing money can quickly spiral to a large amount of debt, which could leave people in the position where their only option is to borrow from these companies with high interest rates. I don't think simply borrowing more money is the answer, making sacrifices and being less frivolous is the answer, it's not much fun though!! xxx
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
30 Aug 08
Don't I know it Munchkin. I am solvent but haven't always been and frankly it's not worth the sleepless night. We are constantly bombarded by images of things that we "need" and somehow this triggers something in us and off we go, credit card in hand. There is a place for borrowing other than mortgages. But is has to be approached sensibly and one project at a time. Living within your means may not be as much fun, but it is much less stressful.
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30 Aug 08
There is definitely a place for borrowing other than mortgages, but done in a well thought out sensible way, with reasonable interest rates and repayments that are afforable! I guess it's easy for me to say, i've been very lucky so far in my life, but i do believe that a lot of people spend first and think later, the society we live in makes it all too easy to do! xvx
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@lingli_78 (12822)
• Australia
30 Aug 08
i never agree in borrowing money and i never like to have a debt... if i don't have money, then i won't spend it... it is much better to live within our means rather than borrowing money from the banks and ended up in more debts... as you say, it won't solve the problem and only create more mess... take care and have a nice day...
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
30 Aug 08
I agree Lingli. It is very easy to get into trouble with debt.
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@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
30 Aug 08
Yeah. "Whoo, lets do exactly what we did to get all these people into this situation to get them out of it, yeah!" It's basically desperation, on their parts...hoping people are also desperate enough (see naive enough) to believe it.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
30 Aug 08
I'm afraid that some will be too. You are quite right. Thank you.
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@LittleMel (8742)
• Canada
30 Aug 08
i think so too. but I heard people sometimes don't over borrow, the bank lends them more than they need because then they will have to pay higher interest anyway to profit the bank. I don't think borrowing more is the answer but sometimes we hve no choice such as not enough work opportunity so no money coming in, how else can these people pay their debts?
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
30 Aug 08
That should be an offence. Lending amounts that cannot be repaid intentionally. The bottom line is not that sensible borrowing is bad, but that the way in which borrowing is made attractive, sexy almost, needs examining. Living within your means can be tough. Doing that and repaying vast loans tougher still.
@cher913 (25781)
• Canada
29 Aug 08
sure, lets do that and get further behind with our money issues! i think a better way is to show people how to live within their means or get another job to make extra cash.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
29 Aug 08
I agree completely Cher. People have been driven to borrow to buy stuff that they don't really need and are now stuck with huge loans and nothing for the essentials of life.
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@tlb0822 (1410)
• United States
30 Aug 08
I think that is were they try to suck you into there scams. Yes you already have debt, so why not make more debt. It is just a scam to get more money out of you. In most cases there are high interest rates, and puts you into a deeper hole then you were in before. I think there should be something that prevents companys like that from targeting people who are already in debt.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
30 Aug 08
Personally I am not in debt, but I have been in the past. But I do agree with what you say entirely. Credit should be hard to get I think.
• United States
29 Aug 08
I took out a bank loan 2 years ago to buy a car and consolidate the rest of my debt. I had a 27.99% interest rate on a $1500 default cell phone on top of 3 of my husband's old credit cards (each with 24.99% interest), and our monthly payments just kept getting higher and higher. For over a year, we paid them all on time, paid extra when we had it, and the amounts just kept getting higher and higher! The interest rate on my current loan is 12%. I pay $2.50 extra every month, and it will be paid off in a year. Borrowing money isn't necessarily the answer to all of our financial worries, but it does make it easier to pay off the bills you've already got.
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• United States
29 Aug 08
Let me be a tad more specific, lest I'm persecuted and set to the stake: BANK loan, 12% interest. Fantastic USED car from my mom, so I know it's not a lemon. Consolidated WORSE debt/interest. Monthly payment UNDER $200. Still living WITHIN my means, but paying back to the time when I didn't. EXTRA PAYMENTS at income tax time, and extra money each month. Completely PAID OFF in ONE more year. Hope that doesn't sound too irresponsible to those that would frown on my choices.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
29 Aug 08
Darn. Just as I got the stake ready for a burning you have to go and explain it all. Never mind, I'll save it for the next boy band that wanders by! Borrowing isn't necessarily all bad. There are times when it is OK and helps. I have been to a very dark place in my time; but it started out quite sensible. So long as a balance is maintained then it can work. But for preference, I like to think that my loan days are over. Until the next one. LOL.
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@Rosekitty (19368)
• San Marcos, Texas
29 Aug 08
Silly P1ke..yes it is the answer..Didn't you know how greedy we all are..lol.. How else will I be able to get my ticket to fly and see you and Goodie???? I love my credit bills and they love me and send me this cute statement each month..and sometimes they call me to ask if I want more credit..aren't they nice?? huggles and kitty kisses
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
29 Aug 08
I'm only greedy for my "girls" and a few of the boys too. But a plane with you on would be sure to have all my attention Rosie. Maybe your Mastercard will be just the Visa that you need. XX
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• United States
29 Aug 08
the only way I would take a loan is if it was REALLY needed (not saying that I wouldnt have the money) more like for a home or vehicle loan not some stupid loan to pay off some sort of debt.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
29 Aug 08
That's sensible. It is all too easy to suddenly find yourself deeply in debt.
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@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
29 Aug 08
No it isn't but a lot of People think it is because that is how the Adverts and Spam Mails put it and People believe it I was one of those People to and fell for it but take it from me it does not make you better of at all
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
29 Aug 08
So far I have resisted the spam mails Gabs. I can always resist a loan advert. LOL.
@gemini_rose (16264)
29 Aug 08
Yes I have noticed that a lot of my emails coming in seem to all be offering me loans to help me through the credit crunch. Borrowing money is definately not the answer, we have spent years borrowing bits here and there and I just got sick of never having any money because I had a loan to pay back. I paid all of it off, anything that I could pay off and be done with I did. Now all we owe on is the mortgage, but even that is low as we never put any borrowing on it even though the bank tried their hardest to get us to clear our loans by putting them on there. No we just knuckled down and did it ourselves and now we are in a much better position.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
29 Aug 08
We only have our mortgage now, although I do have credit card "just in case". Fortunately, it isn't needed very often.
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@Ldyjarhead (10233)
• United States
29 Aug 08
It's sad to know that for many people, that is the only way they think they'll survive. Personally, I say cut out all but the necessities and live below your means for a bit, and level off and live within your means. If you can't do that, you'll never make it no matter how much credit the financial institutions will give you.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
29 Aug 08
That's very true. Many people struggle to get to that level I think. But if you can then being debt free is simply heavenly.
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@kenzie45230 (3560)
• United States
29 Aug 08
That seems to be the answer for so many people. And I'm amazed at the attitude - once the credit cards are maxed and they can't pay for the "things" they HAD to have - that they can just blow off those credit card debts and never bother to pay them. Strange attitude. But...perhaps they're following our government's example. (Except the government can just print more money.)
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
29 Aug 08
But the Government only prints more money by deflating, which means that individual loans increase! So when the country is hard up, so is the population. I think that it is irresponsible for these loan companies to keep on lending. But that's what they are in business for I guess.
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29 Aug 08
Hi plkeflsh, That is why the countries are suffering with so much borrowing and what was it all for arms? no wonder we are all in such a state. Tamara
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
29 Aug 08
Indeed Tamara. Makes you wonder doesn't it?
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@Opal26 (17679)
• United States
29 Aug 08
Hey pikey! That's what got me into trouble! Borrowing to pay my other debts! Don't think that's the best way to go! You are absolutely right! It just doesn't work! I decided to borrow on my credit card to pay the credit card. Now only an idiot would do that! (now you know why I'm in the idiot club!) Don't know what I wasn't thinking? So I maxed the $26,000 credit limit and I now owe I think about $40,000. They call everyday, all day long! They keep changing collection agencies. Why do they thinl I'm going to pay them? I once told them that it was their fault for raising my credit limit to $26,000 and they got really mad!lol I used to worry about it, but now I don't! What are they going to do to me? I have nothing to take! They've already ruined my credit. What more can they do?
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
29 Aug 08
Gosh Opal. That's a lot of money. Well done you for not caving in. Gets so that you are frightened to answer the phone. In the UK that can constitute harassment although you do have to make some kind of offer to them. I'd not sleep nights but I can see that you're beyond that stage. As you say though, if you've got nothing, what can they take. XX
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