Tonight's Debate.
@whiteheather39 (24403)
United States
September 26, 2008 6:35am CST
I am getting more and more disgusted with this election and both the candidates. I was for Hillary as I was a registered democrat. I do not vote for the party but for the person as Hillary was no longer a choice I looked and researched Obama. My finding were less than what I am looking for in a president. I then decided the lesser of two evils is McCain so I started supporting him...now I am completely disappointed in him!! To me the deciding factor in who I will vote for will result from the debates. Now McCain says/threatens not to appear as he has more important things to such as taking part in the financial bailout decision BUT now it comes to light that in yesterdays meeting he did not say more than two words and Obamas was not any better???? Duh! Now I am thinking it is a cop-out, perhaps he is afraid to appear because his answers to debate questions may lose the election for him.
What is you take on this???
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@cynddvs (2948)
• United States
26 Sep 08
I don't think McCain or Obama have anything to offer the bailout right now. I think Obama was right to say let's continue to campaign and continue with the debates and let them handle the bailout. The most McCain and Obama can do right now is show up and offer their vote on the bill. McCain doesn't even know enough about the bailout plan to be going up there and butting in right now. He is wasting everyones time. I really think he found this as an excuse to stall on the debates for both him and Palin. The longer he stalls on his debates the longer it will stall Palins debates. I think they are both going to do a terrible job with their debates. Heck Palin has screwed up most of the interviews she has done so far and made herself look like an idiot.
I really think they just need to move with things as scheduled. Because like you right now my vote is pending the debates right now. I'm really interested to see what happens tonight.
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@thickchic (41)
• United States
26 Sep 08
yeah but everyone wants to scream MCCain and the republican party is in shambles right now...ask me they have literally given Obama the presidency.
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@chameleonsdream (1230)
• United States
26 Sep 08
The one very important reason for both Obama and McCain to be there is that one of them will be the president inheriting all of this in a couple of months. Their opinions should be heard - and more importantly, they should be there listening to hear what they'll be up against.
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@cbreeze (1205)
• United States
26 Sep 08
I watched Palin's interviews and they were painfully embarrassing. I don't even think we are hearing her ideas and opinions, not that she doesn't have any. But instead of letting her be herself, they are turning her into a McCain campaign created caricature. She sounds like an idiot now. I am used to these type of interview answers from McCain where he answers 15 different questions by restructuring the same statement 15 different times, but Palin is obviously not used to this and it is obvious she is not comfortable with it. It therefore comes across for what it is...a script.
At first I thought McCain was postponing campaigning to get out of debating Obama. But I don't think that is the case now. Now, I realize that he is trying to keep Palin from having to debate Biden. I think McCain feels he can hold his own in a debate but that a debate for Palin will once and for all reveal her weaknesses and how serious those weaknesses are.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
26 Sep 08
Political history indicates that whenever any candidate thinks he is ahead and winning, the thought of debating becomes abhorent. Afterall, if you are winning what can a debate do for you? Help your opponent come from behind? What candidate wants that?
Perhaps, McCain thinks he is winning and is using the excuse of "I've got important business elsewhere.", as a two edged sword against 0bama.
1) Looking like a Presidential statesman whose knowledge and experience is valuable and needed.
2) Duck the debate which has more potential to help 0bama than McCain.
I'm not saying these things are true, just that McCain might be thinking this way.
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@ClarusVisum (2163)
• United States
26 Sep 08
"1) Looking like a Presidential statesman whose knowledge and experience is valuable and needed."
Except he isn't. When he got to Washington, he was basically told "we're almost done here, and we want you to leave, because you will stall progress." A Presidential candidate who is self-admittedly undereducated on the economy has nothing to contribute to something like this except needless politicization (hence "stall progress"). Latest word is that McCain is leaving Washington again very soon.
"2) Duck the debate which has more potential to help 0bama than McCain."
Firstly, in case you haven't noticed, Obama is the one who's ahead, so your logic falls flat, unless you want to argue that McCain has deluded himself into thinking that he's ahead when he isn't.
Secondly, you completely ignore the very real possibility that what he actually may want to do is have the first debate replace the VP debate, being on that day. 'Course, he forced Obama's hand with this statement, but Obama didn't play along, saying that a President's got to be able to do more than one thing at a time. Now McCain looks like someone who can't walk and chew gum at the same time, and Obama's the one who ends up looking Presidential in all this.
This was another failed desperation move--the McCain campaign is clearly running out of gas, imo, or else they wouldn't try stunts like this.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
26 Sep 08
ClarusVisum,
"Perhaps, McCain thinks he is winning."
With the quote above I meant to allude to the fact that McCain could only be ahead in his imagination.
As to McCain not actually being Presidential or his efforts being necessary, of course, your perspective is valid. That's why I refered to McCain "Looking Presidential" and not "Being Presidential".
Finally, after listening to politicians speak for so long, I am learning to speak just like them with words that can easily be taken more than one way. Your misunderstanding of what I wrote is perfectly understandable as I've fallen under the influence of "political double-speak". Sorry about that.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
26 Sep 08
"I'm not saying these things are true, just that McCain might be thinking this way."
The above quote from my orginal response pretty well sums up what I was saying in my earlier comment. My listing of points was a look at the sitution from the McCain perspective, not necessarily my opinion.
Empathy is a valuable skill to cultivate.
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@CherylsPearls (1269)
• United States
26 Sep 08
I was for Hillary also and I am a registered Democrat. I researched Obama and found that I really do think his plans for our country are good ones that I think will work.
I think McCain pulled his little stunt yesterday to try to get out of debating Obama; and I think that is the main reason he did it. I think he is also attempting to look like a leader fit to run the United States. I don't think it worked out that way. He sat quiet during the entire meeting until the end when I think he spoke for about 2 minutes. Even Republican leaders said that he offered nothing helpful at the meeting. It was all grandstanding on McCain's part. I read that McCain is the one who called President Bush about having the meeting; Bush then called Obama himself. lol I doubt that McCain was expecting Obama to show up.
There was no need for either of them to go to Washington. When it comes time to vote, then it would be useful for them to do so; but it's nowhere near a vote! McCain hasn't voted since April on anything. I don't see what McCain could add to the proposal anyway; he has consistently voted for de-regulation for all the years he has been in Washington. That's one of the reason's we are in this situation now. If banks hadn't been deregulated, we would not scrambling to come up with something now.
McCain is scared to debate Obama; of that, I am sure. If he doesn't show up, it will prove it beyond a doubt.
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@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
26 Sep 08
ZephyrSun I think both debates scare McCain.
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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
26 Sep 08
Really? I thought he was scared to let Palin debate Biden and that's why he did all of this, especially since he suggested that the debate take place on the following Tuesday which was the date of the only VP debate.
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@marlena18042 (636)
• United States
26 Sep 08
I must agree with you. At first,like you, I was for Hillary, now I feel left without any good decision!
Both McCain and Obama are nothing special. It just didn't even matter to me anymore but after yesterday, I think I might have to side with Obama.
At first hearing what McCain was saying in regardsto the debate and not showing, For qa second or two I thought, wow, he is putting aside something that he wants badly to help our country right now when it needs it most. But, then I realized(to what I truely believe)..wait a minute, he is scared to show up at this debate and is trying to weasel his way out! Even though I am siding more with Obama as of now(which could change at the drop of a dime),I still don't think he is could do much better!
You make alot of sense and unfortunatly I think we are not the only ones to feel this way!
@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
26 Sep 08
I seems that you and are thinking along the same lines. Actually I shall be glad when the whole deal is finally over.
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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
26 Sep 08
I personally think this refusing to debate is a politically move/ploy. I feel that McCain will show tonight for the debate. I don't think you really have anything to worry about.
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@thickchic (41)
• United States
26 Sep 08
what did u listen to? Obama said plenty in the meeting..he made clear where he stood and even asked 2 of the senators in the meeting how they felt about what he said...I cant quote word for word...but pls get ur facts straight. McCian aint have didly to say but yet u guys support such a candidate.
I agree it is getting to be just crazy with these candidates but what are they supposed to do just bow out? NO, this is an election and may the more qualified man win.
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@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
26 Sep 08
My problem is that I do not think either of them is really qualified to win.
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@thickchic (41)
• United States
26 Sep 08
im sorry that was supposed to say" May the man that is more qualified win"
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@chameleonsdream (1230)
• United States
26 Sep 08
He wants to reinforce his image as a maverick hero. He's famous for his Hail Mary plays, and this is another one. McCain's job is to vote on plan presented by the banking and finance committee - of which he is not a member. It is about a subject which he has openly admitted repeatedly he has a poor grasp. His urgency to get back to Washington and do his job didn't stop him from taking a side trip to be interviewed by Katie Couric, or to attend the Global Initiative. It's not kept him from his photo ops - only from the debate.
And as I was writing this, CNN announced that McCain is on his way to Mississippi. So much for staying till there's an agreement.
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@chameleonsdream (1230)
• United States
26 Sep 08
Actually, he's the one who's admitted that he didn't read so much as the three page handout that was sent out to everyone before deciding that he had to dash back to DC to save the country, let alone the whole bill that was being proposed.
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@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
26 Sep 08
While both candidates should definitely seriously work on and vote on the bailout, I don't see any valid reason for canceling the debate. One of these guys will be president in the near future and he will not be allowed to choose which crises he attends to at a given time. He will have to take them all on as they occur. The situations in Afghanistan and Georgia are not going to take a back burner so Mr. Bush can attend to the financial crises. He has to handle it all. If McCain or Obama cannot handle the bailout legislature as well as the debate, how are they ever going to handle the presidency? At least that's the way I feel.
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@sumofalltears (3988)
• United States
26 Sep 08
McCain is going to participate in the debate tonight. I am not even remotely interested in watching it since both candidates will be trying to say what everyone wants to hear.
I do think the financial bailout is important, but not for the reasons most people are interested. Whomever wins this election is going to face some real tough issues and problems, I prefer experience to help with the decisions. I think that in one or two years we will either be on the crest of the wave or on the sinking ship with no rescue available.
@sid556 (30960)
• United States
27 Sep 08
I'm with you on this one. I was all for john edwards and thought that for once, I knew early on just who I was going to vote for. Then he dropped out and Hillary seemed the best candidate at the time. Then she goes and drops out. I am not at all comfortable with either of these choices and a bit put off that we have such poor choices here. The debates are on while I'm working so I don't get to watch them but I do hear from others and read up on them. Sounds as if I'm not missing a whole lot.
@DCMerkle (1281)
• United States
26 Sep 08
This whole election, at this time in history, will be remembered for a long time. The two candidates are up against a lot more than I think that they ever could have possible imagined.
I have to give it to McCain though. I think that postponing the debates to go back to Washington was more important. To me, it shows that McCain has more common sense to prioritize an emergency crisis. The U.S. has jumped into too many things in the past 8 years without sitting back and organizing first. Look what happened with our soldiers after 911? We were like a mob that was running the fences with out any thought as to how to go about equipping our men to protect themselves once they got over there. Have any of us, that has had a family member in the service, or that are generational military families heard of where our soldiers were asking for the family back home to send them equipment? I just thought that was horrendously embarrassing.
I think that McCain has shown the better of the two logical minds in the financial crisis. I'm not saying that I have made up my mind, one way or the other, as to who I am voting for, it's just that we need a leader that knows that no one in the heat of the moment or crisis, has the ability to think in a logical, rational line of thought until they calm down and look at the bigger picture. President Bush has never shown this Country that he had that ability. He has been of the "shoot first, ask questions later" mindset.
Now with Obama, there comes a time when that no matter what difference of opinion you may have with someone or whatever other agenda you may be following, that you put off what you are doing to join others in a crisis. We all did that in 911 just on the home front. Here we have a serious home front crisis and Obama seems to think that it's just business as usual. His agenda comes first.
Just my opinion on how I see all of this.
DCMerkle
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@ClarusVisum (2163)
• United States
26 Sep 08
"To me, it shows that McCain has more common sense to prioritize an emergency crisis."
Big part missing--McCain has nothing to 'add' to it, besides his history of deregulation which CONTRIBUTED to the crisis to begin with! Obama handled the situation better, knowing that the experts were hammering out a deal: he stays in contact with them at all times, and says that if he's ever needed, he's willing to go there at any time. Just announcing on TV that you're going off to Washington to be some hero is going to DELAY progress, because it will unnecessarily politicize things.
Also, maybe McCain hasn't realized this, but we're in the 21st century, where you can go to Washington and be back in time for dinner. You don't have to DROP EVERYTHING to take a trip like that. Hell, if McCain was serious about wanting to help, he should have:
1. Read the freaking three-page proposal (three pages!), which can't screw up his schedule THAT much
2. Stay off the TV and just go, without making a PROCLAMATION beforehand that's obviously going to attract the media and get in everyone's way
The funny thing about this is that it all started with Obama reaching out to the McCain campaign, and suggesting them making a joint appearance to talk about the common ground they have on this issue. McCain was like "okay, and maybe we should put off the debate on Friday." Obama answered, "Well, let's take care of this message first, and we'll cross that bridge when we get to it." Next thing you know, McCain's on TV, by himself, strapping on his cape and jumping on his white horse so the whole world can see it. So he basically slapped Obama's hand as he extended it to shake. Some post-partisan 'maverick' he is.
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@chameleonsdream (1230)
• United States
26 Sep 08
To be fair, McCain told Katie Couric that he had reached out to the Obama campaign - here's the link to what he was doing instead of flying to Washington after announcing that he was suspending his campaign:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video_log/2008/09/mccains_interview_with_katie_c.html
It's the full McCain interview with Katie Couric explaining why he felt it was necessary to suspend his campaign. Of course, there are those of us who believe that sitting in the studio telling Katie Couric how important it is to the country that you stop campaigning is... well... campaigning, especially when you take the opportunity to revive the tired old 'if we had had our town hall debates all over the country like I wanted...' argument and declare yourself the perpetual maverick and underdog.
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@chameleonsdream (1230)
• United States
26 Sep 08
CV, am I the only one finding the old ooohooohoooh UNDERDOG!! theme stuck in my head lately? I guess we're Sweet Polly Purebred this time around.
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@chameleonsdream (1230)
• United States
26 Sep 08
I'm a cynic. Whenever someone starts waving their superhero cape and singing, "Here I come to save the day!", I figure that they've either got a hyper-inflated notion of their own importance or they're determined to call attention to themselves. McCain's campaigning style from day one has been "shake 'em up!" and this is just - dare I say it? - more of the same, especially when you remember that he has repeatedly asserted that he doesn't 'get' the economy.
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@jennyw022605 (38)
• United States
26 Sep 08
I don't remember what part i am but I may not vote for John McCain I just dont like what he is all about plus he is to old to be running I think
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