Democrats here at MyLot...

@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
October 4, 2008 2:52am CST
Everytime someone comes up with a plan to reduce voter fraud in our elections, the democrats come out against it. I'm trying not to come to the conclusion that Democrats in general just plain support voter fraud. Help me out here. What measures would you suggest to keep people who aren't eligible to vote from voting, or those who are eligible from voting several times in one election?
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• United States
4 Oct 08
ParaTed, many of these plans to stop voter fraud are not ment to help end voter fraud, they are ment to scare people into not voting. Take the homeless people, if we were to use republican led voter reform, they wouldn't be able to vote. Ted, please show me were in the constitution it says that you have to have an address to vote? Or, a home, or state approved ID? It doesn't, and if the republicans want to change the constitution then go ahead and take your fight to the American people. I would love to hear republicans say that homeless Americans don't have the same rights as the rest of us. Here in Ohio have seen eleciton officals that have tried to limit the votes in urban areas by hiring police officers to assist in security only at urban voting boths. They didn't hire them for the rual areas: I wonder why that is, Ted? Here in Ohio, republicans are going to do everything they can to win this state, and they don't care about the constitution, the only thing different from 2004 is the fact that republicans have been thrown out of office. This will be the first fair and balanced election the state of Ohio has seen in 12 years. Kiss Ohio good bye republicans.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
4 Oct 08
Excuse me, but my question had nothing to do with your answer. I didn't ask you what accusations and excuses you could come up with, I asked what measures you would approve of to help prevent voter fraud. The reason I ask Democrats is, Democrats seem to fight any measure anyone comes up with to address the problem. So, with that in mind, what measures would you approve of? It can even be a new idea no one has thought of.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
4 Oct 08
I hadn't considered the homeless before responding to this earlier but I agree with you, they have as much of a right to vote as anyone else. I don't believe that you have to have an address to vote but I do believe that, in a country of this size, you need to have an ID and be registered in a single district. So, for those without homes, I think outreach voter programs should go to them, providing phote IDs/registration cards on the spot (since homeless people tend to move around) with criminal conviction/duplicate registration checked afterwards. The ID requirement may not be in the constitution but this country was quite a bit smaller when it was written. Because regulation was not needed at that time does not mean that it's not needed now.
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• United States
5 Oct 08
Spal, this is always a problem when it comes to national elections, especially her in Ohio where all parties are always looking for ways to win an eleciton. In the past few elections we have seen tatics that would anger you, from not allowing our service men to vote, to urban polling stations running out of ballots. I do agree that there should be ID required to vote, but here in Ohio republicans wanted to require an address to vote. I would much rather see people allowed to vote, than see people turned away. If that means that there is some voter fraud, then there should be some investigation into this, but I don't think we should ever restrict any American from voting because they don't meet our PERSONAL, or POLITICAL rational. I still feel that the Constitution has it right in this case.
• United States
4 Oct 08
This is quite a difficult question. The people committing the voter fraud see themselves as heroes protecting the country. I came to this conclusion after overhearing 2 democratic locals who help run our local voting discuss the subject. Their position was that Republicans were worse than Nazi's and anything that could be done to prevent this evil from getting into office was not only justified but the patroitic thing to do. Additionally, we once had a local newspaper editor who started looking into and editorializing about voter fraud in the county. He was fired. These 2 things which happened here pretty much convinced me we won't solve voter fraud any time soon.
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• United States
4 Oct 08
Yes, it is just a part of being human that almost no one see himself as being evil. It kind of makes me think there are more people who are dysfunctional as to logic than they are evil. Or perhaps, those are same thing. There might even be a poster or two on myLot like that once in awhile.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
4 Oct 08
I've talked to convicted rapists who consider themselves heros too.
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@kingcrapper (1536)
• United States
4 Oct 08
Just the idea of democrates voting against something like that has to make you wonder what is going on. It is also very interesting to me that they are the party that is stopping any construction of a wall with Mexico. Hmm. Could it be that illegals will most likely vote for demos if they can only get here? Could it be they would lose their power base if they did? Odd, isn;t it?
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
4 Oct 08
Yes, I do wonder what's going on. That's why I posted this. So far all I've gotten from democrats is exuses and accusations. Which is about what I expected.
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
4 Oct 08
"What measures would you suggest to keep people who aren't eligible to vote from voting," Requiring current state or university issued photo ID. Setting a cutoff for registration early enough that a criminal record's check can be completed before the voter registration card is mailed. "or those who are eligible from voting several times in one election?" The problem here is with absentee ballots. I see little reason why election officials can't come up with a procedure for counting these ballots that allows for verification of registration and eligibility to vote, ie. that the voter has not already cast a vote. Smaller counties should be required to use current technology instead of the outdated #2 pencil and a printed form like we do here in Hooterville.
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
4 Oct 08
That's ridiculous. I would think the entire state would be rife with voter fraud. I'm not too keen on registering and voting on the same day either. Shouldn't there be some kind of verification process before someone is allowed to vote? A rational person would think so!
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
4 Oct 08
These are the very measures that the Democrats fight against... at least here in Wisconsin.
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• United States
5 Oct 08
Haha well surprise surprise, back when Bush was running against Gore, Obama's little community organizer stint involved the organization ACORN, which was WELL-known for being involved with voter fraud. The Democrats vote against the plans because they're the ones that start it! They've been picking people up off the streets lately and letting them register at the Y or whatever, and letting them vote early, without even checking if they're legally registered in that county. There's been so much voter fraud lately I'm totally predicting another Florida situation with this election. I think the only thing we can do is ALWAYS check the person's ID, make sure it looks like them on the ID, and make sure that there is a list of who all is registered in that county, and if they're not there, then don't let them vote!
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
5 Oct 08
It's hypocritical. Do you realize that the DNC requires every delegate to show ID before voting in their convention? Do you know that Labor Unions require IDs when voting in their elections? I bet even ACORN has some sort of ID they require of their members. Why? Because each of those organizations wants to protect the integrity of their elections... they just don't care about the integrity of our state elections.
• United States
5 Oct 08
How about making it a policy across the nation to provide state-accepted ID for -anyone- for free, not just at election time, but all the time? I worked at a homeless shelter for years. One of our biggest out-of-pocket - and I literally mean out of pocket, since most often it was one of our supervisors who took out his wallet - expenses was the $15 for a birth certificate which was required to get the $25 state picture ID required to cash any kind of check in the state - usually for our guys who were working and couldn't cash their paychecks because they didn't have a valid picture ID. And THAT only helped if the person was born in our city. If they were born elsewhere, they had to write away for the birth certificate and wait up to six weeks to get their birth certificate, or go to the city of their birth to get their birth certificate, since no city in our state will provide a birth certificate to anyone other than the individual or their parent/legal guardian. I'll fully support requiring a valid picture ID in order to cast a vote when a state picture ID can be provided for any legal state resident over the age of 18 at no cost.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
5 Oct 08
They tried that here in Wisconsin. King Doyle vetoed it.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
5 Oct 08
True, it's not a simple problem so a single solution won't fix it. I'm just waiting to hear what democrats who are against all the measures suggested so far would do about the problem.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
5 Oct 08
I understand your suggestion, and it sounds fine to me. The problem is that I don't think it would prevent voter fraud if other precautions weren't taken. What's to stop someone from voting in Wisconsin and Minnesota in the same election thereby having two votes? What's to stop ACORN from registering the same person multiple times? How does that ID prevent the fraud ACORN has committed through use of absentee ballots?
@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
7 Oct 08
I'm not real crazy about a national I.D. but using our state I.D's sounds like an excellent solution for each person having only one vote, and it is much harder to do a fraudulent registration.. Imagine! Just being able to walk in and sign up under any old name to vote! How ridiculous is that! Most states already require some sort of identification for all citizens.. And hey, if someone isn't a citizen, why should they vote? (Before they have finished the pathway to citizenship?) When the parties bring in busloads of people, I'd just soon it not be the same busload repeatedly! Some campaigns even pay people to register others.. how's that for motivation to commit fraud!
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
7 Oct 08
Yeah, I'm against any national ID cards too, but like you said, there are already requirements for state ID cards, and they should be used to verify residence and other eligibilities for voting.
@earthsong (589)
• United States
4 Oct 08
Well, considering the last time voter fraud was suspected it benefited the republicans, I would think there was something else in that bill that the democrats didn't agree with. Politicians always throw things in to bills that have nothing to do with them, but you don't hear that someone voted down a health care bill because it had amendments for tax cuts for the wealthy. We rarely know that stuff is in there, just that those bad (insert party here) voted down this important bill.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
4 Oct 08
Now that you are done with your accusations, why don't you actually answers the question I posed?
• United States
4 Oct 08
Wow, angry much? I'm talking of the last couple of presidential elections. And I'm sure there are people accusing both sides everywhere you go. I don't know what measures to take, people are crafty enough and determined enough to find ways around just about any measure. With the technology now you would think there would be ways to single out votes suspected of being fraudulent.
• United States
4 Oct 08
Ever heard of ACORN? Maybe the last time YOU heard about voter fraud...
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
5 Oct 08
The only thing I've ever seen democrats do to prevent voter fraud was throwing out absentee ballots in Florida during the 2000 election because they lacked a postmark. Oddly enough that strategy led them to throw out military absentee ballots that were delivered by boat and subsequently had no postmark. Fascinating how that worked out. Of course Bush won the state despite those votes being thrown out and he is still accused of stealing the election. Four recounts will never convince the democrats otherwise.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
5 Oct 08
"Last election day, kids of Kerry Campaign leaders in the state slashed the tires of vans that Republican party members were going to use on to help elderly voters get to the polls." Is it just me or are the democrats always the ones who commit ACTUAL CRIMES while the republicans are accused of "using the system" to prevent people from voting?
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
5 Oct 08
No, it's not just you, and while I think there are problems on both sides, it is interesting that the accusations about Republicans almost always go unproven.
@kenzie45230 (3560)
• United States
4 Oct 08
I really DO NOT understand the Dems thinking that having to show your picture ID discriminates against the poor and minorities. Any poor person has to have picture ID in order to get government assistance, a county health card, food stamps. If they have the IDs, then what's the problem? I read that here in Ohio the Republicans are suing because one can actually register to vote and vote on the same day. That doesn't allow for any checking for voter fraud. Not a good idea at all.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
4 Oct 08
We have same day voting here too, and yes, it does nothign but encourage voter fraud. When I was a paramedic, we asked for ID from everyone. Working in the inner city, most of our patients were on the poorer side of society. The only people that didn't have IDs on them were the ones who were victims of violent crimes. Everyone we picked up at the homeless shelters had IDs on them.