Question for dog owners
By Grandmaof2
@Grandmaof2 (7579)
Canada
October 9, 2008 9:57am CST
What is the hardest time you have ever had to potty train a small house dog? My daughter bought a little Bicon/maltese in July and she has done everything imaginable to train this gorgeous little dog to the point that when she took the dog to the vet for shots she had advice from the vet besides. The dog can be put out and stay out there for plenty of time but as soon as let back in she goes on the floor. Now as last resort my daughter is trying the paper train method and last night was a gong show. The dog was in her kennel sleeping and as soon as she awakes she needs out so my daughter had already made a box for the dog. First the dog didn't want to be there then next thing you know she was sleeping on the paper then before long she shred the paper to pieces. Put the dog out bring the dog in then you clean the floor. The dog is now about 5 months old. Help anyone ? Thank You in advance.
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@Seraphine (385)
• Finland
11 Oct 08
The best way to housebreak a dog is to never ever leave it out of sight unless confined to a safe area (preferably a crate which just enough room to turn around and lay down in). This means one can't even watch tv, the eyes need to be on the dog every second or it should be in its crate. It needs to be taken outside immediately after eating, drinking, sleeping and playing. I preferred to have an alarm clock to ring every 30 minutes so you know that is when to take the pup outside on a leash walking around until it goes and immediately get a tasty treat for it. Gradually increase the time in between pottybreaks but the key is to always lay ahead of the dog and read the dog's signals. Anyone who stays consistent with this method will get a pottytrained dog. It might take a while, even longer since her pup has already gotten used to the idea of going inside, but with time it does work. Puppies are rarely reliably housebroken before they are at least one year old anyway and especially when changing techniques it will take longer as it makes them too confused.
By the way, paper-training a dog will only make the dog think it's okay to go inside. Your daughter should not go down that path unless she wants to litterbox-train the dog just like you would for a cat.
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@Grandmaof2 (7579)
• Canada
11 Oct 08
Thank You very much for your advice and you are definately on the nmoney with this because that's excately what I've been doing and it is working. I had some issues to work through but I have high hope. I plan to post an update at the end of our weekend. Thanks again for this reply.
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@irishmist (3814)
• United States
10 Oct 08
I guess some dogs are harder to train than others, my brother has a small dog he got from somebody and the dog just was not trainable, so they have to keep him in a big cage in the kitchen, they let him out and monitor him every minute.
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@Grandmaof2 (7579)
• Canada
10 Oct 08
Well yes that's right and unfortunately that's the way this little girl is too. The only problem is although my daughter is a stay at home mom she is very actively involved with their school, Can Skate and hockey so now that hockey season is just around the corner and my grandson very much looks forward to that so they will be on the go and it's very hard packing an untrained dog with you.
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@slickcut (8141)
• United States
10 Oct 08
I kennel trained my puppy & she always goes outside to poop...I had her in the kennel & she was let out to potty & to exercise then put back into the kennel...I would hold her in the house but not let her down.If she made a mistake i would go get her & show her the poop & say a stern "NO" and put her outside,she finally got the message....
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@Grandmaof2 (7579)
• Canada
10 Oct 08
I'm babysitting this weekend because it's Thanksgiving weekend here and the kids are off to his folks place 8 hours from here and that's excately what I'm doing with the dog.
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@twoey68 (13627)
• United States
10 Oct 08
When I had my Petey, I didn't have much trouble housebreaking him...my hardest part was he didn't like to go out in the rain so I either had to go out with him and hold an umbrella over him so he'd go or I had to put down doggy papers for him...or just clean up the mess. As he got older he seemed to have more problems and I think that was just old age catching up with him.
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@Grandmaof2 (7579)
• Canada
10 Oct 08
Guess I've just been lucky I've had to potty train too but at least I made headway. I'd like to say that my daughter could do something else but my goodness she has bent over backwards for that dog with all the suggestions in the world. She's had the dog since July and there's no progress with the potty training at all.
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@TessWhite (3146)
• United States
9 Oct 08
I wish you luck in this. My two chihuahuas are now 5 and I still have accidents. I'm home 24/7, so I let them out often. The female is the worst. She sits on the porch, waits til she comes in then sneaks off to pee inside. I've tried EVERYTHING, from pee pads to crate training, to noises, to spray bottles. So far not much luck. I hope your luck is better than mine!
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@Grandmaof2 (7579)
• Canada
9 Oct 08
This is almost 100 percent same story as my daughters. The ONLY difference actually is she has only one dog and she's a Bicon/Maltese. My little Maltese is paper trained and very very good thank goodness.
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@KePasa1982 (49)
• Ireland
10 Oct 08
Dont be angry on the dog when you find pee and puu and you did not see him doing it but do throw him out as soon as you see him doing it. Then when you are outside with your dog, cogngratulate him when he does his thing out side.
Hever express your anger if the thing has been done and after a while you find it.
If it happens in front of your eyes then teaching can happen. Dogs do get confused when we teach them long time after wrong is done. They dont live in the past, they live in the now, so teach him in the now.
All the best!!
PS:I have 2 small dogs, and they are so full of energy!
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@Grandmaof2 (7579)
• Canada
10 Oct 08
Thank You for your reply. This little one is full of energy as well.
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@carolbee (16230)
• United States
9 Oct 08
We now have a little dashaund who is a wonderful pet. Our daughter had him for awhile and then moved out and couldn't take the dog with her. We've had him now about 12 years. When we first got him our daughter told me that he was impossible to housebreak and dogs of this breed are stubborn. I broke him without many accidents. Before I mention what I did, I want everyone to know that I love this animal and didn't do anything to hurt him. I rolled up a couple of pieces of newspaper. When he would wet on the carpeting, I would just tap the end of his nose, rub his nose in the pee and take him outside. All the time telling him, "no, you can't do that in the house." This has never failed me and I've trained several dogs over the years who were our pets. The noise from the rattling newspaper must annoy and scare them. Once in awhile I would slap my hand with it and not tap the nose. I hope this works for your daughter.
@Grandmaof2 (7579)
• Canada
9 Oct 08
Definately worth a try that's for sure. I know my daughter rubbed the dogs nose in it and I also know she slapped the dogs bum but the dog didn't seem to mind.
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@Katlady2 (9904)
• United States
9 Oct 08
My ex husband went through that a few times, since he breeds toy rat terriers. He finally got a big litter box for the dogs to use inside, and it actually worked. I think he did the treat thing, where if the dog went in the litter box instead of on the floor then the dog got a little treat for doing the right thing. Maybe your daughter could try that...if she hasn't already that is. She could also get some of those doggie diapers. They make a pretty good training tool too because dogs do NOT like those things at all. LOL!
@Grandmaof2 (7579)
• Canada
10 Oct 08
Yes my friend she has done it all except for the diapers.
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
13 Oct 08
We never had any trouble with Jessie and she was quite small. We just put her out and she went. We had to hit her lightly on the nose with the newspaper and say no very sternly a few times when she had an accident and then she got the idea. You just have to look firm when she has an accident and say, "bad dog bad dog" and put her outside. She will soon learn.
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@jillmalitz (5131)
• United States
9 Oct 08
Training dogs is about like training children. You have to be aware of when they need to go. It is not always easy and it can be time consuming. I trained my dogs on a leash. First thing in the morning and last thing at night as well as a couple of times during the day they went outside on the leash as I walked them around the yard or down the street. I always carried a small treat with me. When the did both of their businesses they got praise, petting and a treat. We had to start every couple of hours and gradually lengthened the time between going out. It can be harder if you work. When I worked I took my dogs out before I went to work and as soon as I got home. I closed off areas of the house I did not want them in. Some people put their dogs in a cage/crate during the day to avoid accidents. I have never been a fan of that. Accidents are going to happen. The dogs usually know when they do, mine always acted guilty. No point in punishing them any time later cause they don't understand. Like I said , it will take time and patience.
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@Grandmaof2 (7579)
• Canada
10 Oct 08
Actually the vet suggested a wire cage to fence off a small area in the kitchen where there's no carpet but no that was useless too. The only place she won't pee is in her bed. She sleeps in a pet carrier which she seems happy with. She's not allowed to be on the carpet areas period. The dog is a beautiful little thing and they paid good for her plus shots plus the best in bedding, dishes, food you name it. I'd like to see it work out for them but I doubt it??????
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@leenie50 (3992)
• United States
9 Oct 08
Grandma,
I'm probably late in my advice, but, the very best way is not paper but pee pads. They have a scent that draws a puppy to it. When my Dachshund was a puppy, he was the worst. At first it took him a little whil to catch on, so I'd move the pee pad over the spot he liked to go. When he got used to that, Id' move it towards the door a little at a time. It worked beautifully. Even after that, sometimes I'd use them on really rainy days because he hated the rain. They really do work,
leenie
@Grandmaof2 (7579)
• Canada
9 Oct 08
I'm sure they do work "For some dogs" The pet pad told my girl about them and so she bought a big package of them. She also bought a mat/frame that the pads secure down on so the dog can't remove the pad very eazily. It just doesn't matter what she has done the dog won't train. The dog just shreds them or when she's told not to do it the dog layed down on the pad and wanted to go to sleep. She's such a beautiful little dog too.
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@mrsgoodygoody00 (895)
• United States
9 Oct 08
I have a Toy Poodle, and he is housetrained, and also goes outside. When I first bought him, I was so busy with so many other things, I couldn't put as much effort into it as I wanted to. I tried to get him to go on newspapers, but that didn't really work, and he would have accidents. so much in fact, that we had to buy carpet steamers, and we would clean the carpet every week. So, I ended up getting those puppy training pads, and I would just bring him to the pad whenever I saw him looking like he needed to go. Eventuially he did end up figuring it out. When he got a little older, I would take him outside, and he didn't really have any problems figuring it out. I walk him daily, but I always keep a pad out, and he still uses them.
@Grandmaof2 (7579)
• Canada
9 Oct 08
You are so lucky my friend. The two grandchildren are in love with this little dog and it would be hard not too but nothing is working at all. We've trained dogs before and did OK with time but this is ridiculous.
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@rowe0525 (677)
• China
10 Oct 08
as a dog again,,i like it now ,,but i have never keep one before,and now too..i do want to do it ,because i have little time on it ,
and i am i do not know how to rise it well,
do you like dog???
@Sheepie (3112)
• United States
9 Oct 08
My dog was not really hard to paper train, but he never really completely got it. He still has accidents sometimes, but the best thing to do it try to get them outside in good timing and praise them enormously when they do it right. They all get it some day! I heard they sell coyote urine, which you spray outside and it makes the dog want to pee there, but I have never used it so I'm not sure if it works. I wonder how they collect it!
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@Grandmaof2 (7579)
• Canada
10 Oct 08
I suppose coyote spray might work? I have never heard of that method before but it sounds a bit gross. Whatever works at this point I guess.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
17 Oct 08
In a word...move. I had a little Maltese...my darling Pixie. She would often go on the carpet...I never saw her do it, I would just find the damp spot. I moved several times while I had her and in each subsequent house, she would always let me know when she wanted to go outside, or she would just hold it till we went outside for some other reason.
@alamode (3071)
• United States
16 Oct 08
My Rat Terrier is still not housebroken... and she's now nearly 18
months old. We had to tear out our carpet and get hard-surface flooring,
and we can't do the rest in carpet until she's trained. That may never
happen, and its SO frustrating!
We crate her, she goes out once an hour, there are pads all over the
house, and she has 2 other dogs to emulate... nothing has worked.
She's going to be spayed shortly and we're hoping the vet sees a fixable
problem... then we can make plans to finish all this work and enjoy our
home again!
Good luck to you!