Obama's Birth Certificate

It's authentic. See the pictures for yourself. http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_1.jpg http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_2.jpg http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_3.jpg http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_4.jpg http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_5.jpg http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_6.jpg http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_7.jpg http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_8.jpg http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_9.jpg Besides, if this was true, Clinton would have used it to clinch the nomination pretty much IMMEDIATELY. Anyone paying attention during the primaries and seeing how hard she fought for the nomination would have to be stupid to think that if there was some way to beat Obama 'by default' in one shot, Clinton would have seized upon it instantly. She didn't because there isn't. I only wish McCain was dumb enough to make a big deal out of it himself.

I think this is a non-issue for the simple reason that all candidates have FBI background checks before they're allowed to announce their candidacy (or shortly thereafter). If he weren't eligible, he wouldn't have gotten to where he is now. They go through ALL records with a fine tooth comb (granted, no one did with "Brownie", but he was appointed by Bush and who challenges that authority). If there were questions on either of their eligibility (and there are with McCain as well having been born in Panama Canal Zone), they would not still be in the race. Both are eligible candidates and people just simply need to stop the bullspit!

By not releasing the information he is encouraging the rumors. It makes you think that he has something to hide. Why was his wife's senior thesis sealed? Why are his medical and other records sealed? This is what got John Kerry in trouble with the swift boaters. He said he released his military record but only released part of it. To stop the rumors he needs to open all his records for the public to review.

Is Obama a Kenya citizen, Indonesia,or a usa citizen? His school records showed him as a citizen of Indonesia when he was in school there.If he is not an American citizen, it is not legal for him to even be a senator. Where is the Vault copy that would show the answer to this question?This is another thing that should have been verified.Some of his family members are saying that he was born in Kenya.

He was born in Hawaii - Hawaii - last time I checked is a state!

he'd still be a citizen, even if born in kenya, due to his mothers citizenship and residence in the country prior to leaving. "http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html" Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child. " http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html" and the constitution has been clarified to reflect the additional definitions of natural born citizen: Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:" * Anyone born inside the United States * Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe * Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S. * Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national * Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year * Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21 * Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time) * A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

Hello ParaTed, I first posted a thread about this topic over four months ago. As such, I'm deeply troubled that this issue remains under a cloud of obscurity. Additionally, I am absolutely disgusted by this whole mess. Barack Obama could have eliminated this whole issue, and spared the taxpayers the cost and headache of 'trying' this issue in a court of law had he simply supplied the requested long-form birth certificate. Instead, he and the DNC have submitted a Motion to Dismiss on the grounds that Mr. Berg has no right to access the requested document. At issue here is NOT that he might hold dual citizenship with Kenya. In fact, his biological father, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. did petition for Kenyan citizenship for his son, when Barack Hussein Obama, Junior was not quite two years old. However, that Kenyan citizenship was legally dissolved, annuled or terminated due to Barack Junior's Indonesian citizenship status. Kenya did NOT recognize dual citizenship, so when Barack Junior was registered in Indonesian public school ("Obama defended his education at "Sekolah Dasar Negeri 04," which roughly translates as government elementary school No. 4 in Indonesia..."), as a Muslim citizen of Indonesia, his Kenyan citizenship became null and void. Incidentally, at the time that Barry Seotoro (A.K.A. Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.) attended Indonesian public school, the laws in Indonesia prohibited any non-citizen from accessing public education -- it was deemed a benefit of citizenship, where only citizens were eligible to attend. He was proclaimed a Muslim Citizen of Indonesia, which is verifiable from his Indonesian public and parrochial school records. "Emirsyah Satar, the CEO of Garuda Indonesia, a large airline corporation. Emirsyah comments on Obama; "He was often in the prayer room wearing a 'sarong', at that time, he was quite religious in Islam but only after marrying Michelle, he changed his religion." http://www.poskota.co.id/news_baca.asp?id=29295&ik=6 http://laotze.blogspot.com/2007/01/obama-hoisted-on-his-own-petard-one.html As I understand it from extensive review: when Barry Seotoro (Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.) was returned to the United States, his mother or grandparents would have had to petition the U.S. Immigration & Naturalization Dept. for Barack Jr. to apply for U.S. citizenship, since his adoption of Indonesian citizenship dissolved his U.S. citizenship, as Indonesia and the USA did not have a reciprocal dual citizenship treaty at that time. There is no evidence that Barack's mother or grandparents applied for citizenship for the minor child, Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. after he was returned to the United States in his tenth year. This Indonesian citizenship issue is elevated to the status of a powerful case against Barack Obama's eligibility to run for POTUS given the supposition that Barack Obama may have travelled to Pakistan on an Indonesian passport during his years in NYC, his Columbia University days. If this is so, then it would indicate that Barack Obama claimed Indonesian citizenship as late as the 1980s. Of course, this cannot be confirmed or debunked because Barack Obama has had his personal records sealed, including those records relevant to his Columbia University days. If he would just release his travel records during his time at Columbia University, a great part of this issue would be dissolved. "Yet he declined repeated requests to talk about his New York years, release his Columbia transcript or identify even a single fellow student, co-worker, roommate or friend from those years." http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/30/us/politics/30obama.html "Senior Strategist Mark Penn subtly admonished reporters for not digging deepy enough into Obama’s unreleased documents. “One would think the demand would not be for some additional information when we’ve already done senate disclosures, but of this important set of information about Senator Obama that could be critical for the voters in these last 12 jurisdictions making their decisions,”...'. http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/03/16/clinton-campaign-calls-for-obamas-records/ There is also the issue of a little know immigration law which imposed a time stipulation to jus soli births in the early 1960s. Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. cannot claim 'natural born' status by jus sanguinis, as only one of his parents was a U.S. citizen. Which means that Obama may only claim citizenship by jus soli. Stanley Ann Dunham, his mother, did not meet the time requirement of 'adult status' to automatically convey natural-born status to her son Barack, so even if he was born on Oahu, he is still ineligible to claim 'natural born' status by jus soli. Last, there is this third argument: "If you consider the history and believe that Hawaii is not legally a part of the United States, as many do, then one might ask, is Obama a natural born citizen of the United States? One could even make the argument that being born in Hawaii, he's a Hawaiian national! I believe the most compelling legal analysis based on Hawaiian kingdom and international law and precedent, is that the Hawaiian national population today is comprised of descendants of Hawaiian subjects and those foreigners who were born in the Hawaiian Islands prior to 1898." http://www.hawaiiankingdom.info/C1126750129/E20080215214658/index.html So, there are three separate allegations of why and how Barack Obama is not a natural born citizen, and therefore ineligible to run for POTUS. Do any of the three arguments have merit? I do not claim to know, nor do I suggest that anyone other than his deceased mother knows for sure. The answer eludes us because Barack Obama has refused to provide access to his full history. This all goes away if and when Barack Obama grants permission to the State of Hawaii to respond to Freedom of Information Act requests, or responds to the issue in the traditional way by providing a certified copy of the long-form birth certificate to Barack Obama, who in turn would need to submit it to the Pennsylvania court to comply with Mr. Berg's discovery demands. Incidentally, a second lawsuit has been filed in a Washington Court which similarly seeks to force Barack Obama to submit the long-form birth certificate. So, instead of this issue going away, it is spreading. Costing taxpayers in two different states now. And, that's what makes me really angry. Why not just supply the darned document???

For the love of god will people stop it all ready. If he wasn't a US born citizen I'm pretty sure someone would have found out by now and i'm sure it's already been checked into. Some may not agree with our Government but they're not that stupid to where they would let an unnatural citizen into office. I don't know where those accusations are coming from, but i'm wanting to bet that it has something to do with his name and family HERITAGE. if that is the case than the people making these accusations are just plain dumb and are making generalized assumptions.

I think that the Democrats do not want to bother because they want Obama for President even if it was found he was not born in the United States, had never lost his citizenship because he lived in another country, etc. They want an exception made because he is black, i.e. descended from Negro slaves. But that is a fallacy. Obama's Negro side is not descended from slaves, therefore to compensate him by forgetting the law that only natural born citizen (of the States) can become president is false. I do not think that they mean a natural born citizen of another country can become a citizen unless it refers to someone born in the U.S. embassy or a territory of the United States in another country.

Like many others have said here, I am sure that if he were not a legal US citizen then he would not be at this point in the game. There are so many people who are looking for a way to get him out of this election that I believe they would have found out that his birth certificate was fake. Please America, let's stick to the guidlines that we have for an election and vote in the most worthy President!

I guess what I wonder about is that when this lawsuit was filed about his birth certificat being falsified, that's when Obama rushed off to Hawaii. He brought back a birth certificate that he gave to factcheck.org - which is an Annenberg organization - which means it has ties to Ayers and Obama. I wonder why he didn't present it to the court?

why is the main stream media not discussing this

Well, if someone who isn't legally a citizen wins the presidency, then maybe we should rethink our Constitution.