Why Are Republicans Jumping Ship and Supporting Barack Obama?
@lloydanthony111 (4698)
United States
October 19, 2008 7:03pm CST
The fact that Colin Powell has endorsed Obama is not suprising, but not for reasons you would think.
There are plenty of life-long conservatives who believe that Obama is a more qualified leader than McCain, and even more who think Palin is definitely UNqualified, compared to anybody else.
Christopher Buckley, Kathleen Parker, Charles Krauthamer, and even David Brooks (who called Palin a "cancer on the Repubican Party"), to name a few (most of which have careers starting and/or ending with the Conservative National Review) have all either outright endorsed Obama (as in Buckley) or have pointed out the damning flaws that the current GOP candidate has.
Many Republicans disagree with many of Obama's policies, but in comparision to McCain's utter lack of credible economic policy, lack of a transition plan, and a patently rediculous running mate, the choice is obvious.
Obama is the leader for these times. Many Republicans may hold their nose when they vote for Barack Obama, but there is no doubt that the McCain lever is the wrong choice this time.
Why are these conservatives (and many others) spouting off with such heresy?
Because the Republican party has abandoned it core values and become a safe haven for evangelicals, the "Joe Six Packs" and "Joe the Plumbers" of the world, intellectual slackers who believe their political beliefs entitles them to a free pass on intellect, and , in the case of Joe the Plumber, a license to casually disregard the truth and an exemption from paying ANY taxes.
In my opinion, this is why Republicans are Jumping Ship and Supporting Barack Obama.
Lloyd
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@soccermom (3198)
• United States
20 Oct 08
My father in law is a Republican and he won't be voting for McCain this year, which totally blew me away. We're talking about a man who is a Vietnam vet, had a picture of George W. in his den (which is gone now) and grew up in a household where his mother was the secretary for the Illinois Republican committees head for 30 years. He told me McCain scares him. And Palin scares him even more.
My whole take on it is that McCain would probably be doing a lot better right now if he wouldn't have been so quick to jump on the smear trail, and wouldn't have begun his campaign running on a "I'm a POW" platform, when his voting record proves he doesn't give a flying fig about vets.
@lloydanthony111 (4698)
• United States
22 Oct 08
Just like your father-in-law, many Americans are finally coming to the realization that it's time for a change. The Republican Party policies have hurt most average middle-class Americans.
It's hurt them in a way that makes them cross party lines. How could anyone want 4 more years of such an incompetant and corrupt political party?
It's time for them to pack their bags and go home. It's time to air out the stench.
Lloyd
@Simplyme31 (240)
• United States
20 Oct 08
Well you may be right. Honestly though it seems to have a lot to do with the candidates stands on a lot of the most important issues that immediately affect the US economy and the lives of over 80% of its citizens. I think both need to do some serious rethinking about what they plan to do and how they plan to carry it out. There will always be taxes its just got to be that way and yes everyone needs to pay but yeah those who make more should pay more but those who labor shouldn't get a free ride either.
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@lloydanthony111 (4698)
• United States
20 Oct 08
Discussing the issues that immediately affect the lives of the American citizens is of the utmost importance.
That is why Barack Obama has such a huge following. When he speaks of tax relief for 95% of Americans, he speaks to both Republicans and Democrats.
When he talks about making healthcare and education more affordable, he is speaking across racial and party lines.
I'm a resonable person and realize that he may not be able to accomplish all his goals, but I know that I have an advocate.
I know there will always be taxes, but how we use those taxes have to be put in the proper perspective.
For example, the 700 billion dollar bailout to Wall Street could have provided the 42 million Americans with affordable healthcare.
700 billion dollars could have given every taxpayer a signifigant break on their taxes.
Just think what the 10 to 12 billion dollars per month that we are spending on the war in Iraq could do for our own intrastructure. We could be rebuilding bridges, roads, railroads, and schools.
We just have to use our tax dollars wisely.
Lloyd
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@wsue1023 (1395)
• United States
20 Oct 08
I have a hard time believing a true conservative republican would ever support a socialist like Obama. Frankly what Obama wants to do by "spreading the wealth around" scares me. I would never ever vote for a socialist. My vote is for John McCain.
I truly don't get why the bulk of Americans would welcome a socialistic type of government, but apparently that's just what they want. There will be little incentive for working hard and trying to achieve the American dream if that happens. I do believe we should help those in need, those struggling, those who are in between jobs,those without health insurance, but I'm concerned what we'll really be doing is giving a good number of people who are too lazy to work a free ride. I WANT to help people who can't work, or can't find work, but not those who don't want to work. I'm really not a big fan of a welfare state. Welfare should be a temporary aid for people, not a way of life.
When you vote this year, please please please really look at both candidates and recognize they both have a lot of flaws. You just have to decide which flaws you're willing to live with for the next 4 years and which consequences of the next 4 years you're willing to live with for Lord knows how many years after that. I'm not really excited about either, but I feel like McCain is the safer choice. BTW, he's really not George Bush and that's a good thing.
Oh, and by the way... the economic crises we're in today is as much the fault of the democratic party is it is the republican party. I'm sooooo sick of hearing people blame the republicans for this mess. It's a lie.
@Barb42 (4214)
• United States
21 Oct 08
I agree, Wsue. If a person who calls themselves a 'conservative republican' and switches to Obama, something is wrong with their assessment of themselves. The taxes should be enough to turn them off, not to mention abortion, especially the partial birth abortion! And I don't like the idea of taking anyone's money and 'passing it around'! That's not American! But that's okay, Wsue. Let them have their talks and say what they want and vote for whomever. And let them think they'll be happy when the democrats take over the entire government and then turn our lives upside down as Obama has proposed to do.
@philjas (1134)
• United States
21 Oct 08
Obama does NOT believe in partial birth abortion, that's another myth that I myself almost fell for until I got the facts straight. It seems like most people who supports McCain are uniformed, they only hear the McCain campaign's side of the argument and believe it. If McCain does end up winning, it's going to be because of the lies: Obama is Muslim, Obama is a terrorist, he wasn't born in the United States, he's a socialist, etc., etc. At this point there are very few high profile intelligent educated people who are supporting John McCain (I stress HIGH PROFILE; obviously we don't know about people who aren't in the public eye.)
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
20 Oct 08
It's just a testament to the piss poor choice of Sen. McCain. He may have been forced on the Republicans as a candidate, but that doesn't mean Republicans are forced to accept him or vote for him.
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@lloydanthony111 (4698)
• United States
20 Oct 08
Hello ParaTed.
I remember how upset Republicans were when John McCain appeared to be on his way to winning the GOP nomination. They bashed him harder than anyone on the Democratic side did during that period.
They must have know his flaws, but there was no other candidate able to reach out to the moderate Republicans and Democrats at that time.
Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani turned people off by only talking about 9/11 and bashing Hillary Clinton.
Governor Mitt Romney came off like a flip-flopper. It's hard to be the ex-Governor of Massachusettes and overnight become a Neocon.
Senator Bill Frist looked silly during the Terry Schiavo episode and he had some corruption issues.
And Governor Mike Huckabee was a likeable character, but he never had a real chance.
I know that there are qualified candidates on the Republican side, but they are going to have to realize that they are running for the Presidency of the United States of America and not the President of the Church, Anti-Abortion platform or the other extreme platforms that frighten and turn the American people away from them.
I'd like to thank you for helping me keep this conversation civilized. I'm not into bashing anyone anymore. November 4th is right around the corner and I think people have made up their minds.
Lloyd
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
20 Oct 08
McCain was not chosen by the Republicans, he was forced on us by those stupid Open Primaries. By the time most of us got a chance to vote in the primaries, the Democrats and Independants in Open Primary states had already chosen McCain.
Of course, Republicans and Independants also took their toll on the Democrat primaries.
The upshot is, Open Primaries have killed any opportunity for party members to help choose their party's nominee.
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@lloydanthony111 (4698)
• United States
20 Oct 08
"McCain was not chosen by the Republicans, he was forced on us by those stupid Open Primaries. By the time most of us got a chance to vote in the primaries, the Democrats and Independants in Open Primary states had already chosen McCain".
Isn't that the way it's been done for years. Why is it so appalling when it goes against your wishes?
I didn't hear this same complaint when George Bush was elected twice under the same circumstances.
This is the way the political process works. If you don't like it, then work to change it.
Lloyd
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@coolseeds (3919)
• United States
20 Oct 08
Palin is just as qualified to be vice president as Obama is to be president. They are both clueless. McCain had a chance until he picked Palin as his running mate. No matter who is elected the country will be screwed.
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@lloydanthony111 (4698)
• United States
20 Oct 08
I disagree with you and so do millions of American people. Barack Obama is Harvard educated. That alone shows a willingness to study and work hard.
I believe Barack Obama understands the issues facing the American people and will provide the American people with the best chances of dealing with those isuues.
As far as the country being screwed, aren't you feeling a little screwed after eight years of the Republicans leadership in the White House?
I think the American people are tired of the name-calling. Calling Barack Obama clueless may speak more of yourself than the Democratic nominee for the Presidency of the United States of America.
Just ask the American people.
Lloyd
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@coolseeds (3919)
• United States
20 Oct 08
You are entitled to your opinion. He has no experience. His resume looks like Palin's. Blank.
If Obama is elected you will see. Business owners will make more money with their justifiable rate increases because of Obama's plan. You the consumer will pay more. As a business owner I am not going to eat the cost. You will.
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@coolseeds (3919)
• United States
20 Oct 08
I also would not hire a manager with a college degree without any experience. That is just stupid. Almost as dumb as picking Palin as a running mate.
@evanslf (484)
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20 Oct 08
For sure there are a good number of Republicans, particularly moderate Republicans, who are now switching over to Obama. This is not too surprising as there are quite a few Republicans that are disillusioned with what has gone on in the last 8 years and who feel we need a fresh start. In some ways, it is the inevitable political cycle - the Republicans are unpopular at the moment and therefore a minority of their supporters are peeling away to support the Democrats.
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@lloydanthony111 (4698)
• United States
22 Oct 08
The last 8 years have been a disaster for the Republican Party and the American people. Anyone who is honest with themselves can see that.
The Republicans should not be rewarded for the condition that they have put this country in.
It's time for a change.
Lloyd
@lloydanthony111 (4698)
• United States
22 Oct 08
"I will never trust the republicans again, all they care about is holding on to power and money".
The majority of American people agree with your statement. The Republicans have proven over and over again that they cannot be trusted.
They will lie to go to war and lie to win elections. The American people now see the consequences of their incompetance and will not be fooled again.
Lloyd
@iriscot (1289)
• United States
22 Oct 08
One of the things that really disturbs me is the fact that the leaders of this country have alienated the arab countries. When I was in the service I spent a year in Saudi Arabia. We flew into most all of those countries transporting representatives of the U.S. for meetings and conferences. Everywhere we went the United States was held in high regard. We even met with King Ibin Saud the ruler of Saudi Arabia.
Today it is totally different, the arab nation hates the Americans. Is it because of the wars that both Bush Presidents have gotten us into? Probably so, we have never sided aggressively with the Palastinians, we have always sided with the Israels in order to keep an ally in that area of the world.
We should have learned that the Arabs are very patient, they will stall and take and take and very seldom give back without being forced to. In some of the nations they are very clannish. And those clans have never gotten along well with each other and it will continue to be that way, whether we stay in Iraq or pull out.
I remember Bush and Cheney stating that the oil that came out of the ground in Iraq would pay for the war, they now have a large surplus of money. If that is so, why are we spending over 10 billion a month over there?
I will never trust the republicans again, all they care about is holding on to power and money.
Sorry if I got off on a tangent, but it all upsets me very much.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
20 Oct 08
Great discussion. I saw Kathleen Parker on some show last week and when pressed she wouldn't say who she was going to vote for, claiming it's a secret ballot and something nobody else had to know. Coming from a true conservative, it sure sounds to me like she's going to be voting for Obama, doesn't it? No doubt there are many others who haven't been so vocal with their displeasure with the McCain campaign and the Palin selection who feel the same way.
I hope McCain's latest stump speech begins to sink in to a huge number of the voters. He's been attacking Obama's tax plan, saying how Obama claims 95% of the people will get a tax cut but 40% pay no FEDERAL INCOME TAXES, and that therefore they'll just get a tax CREDIT, which he calls a handout which he compares to welfare. Of course, those in attendance at his rallies cheered and booed at the appropriate times but I wonder how many of them actually fall into the category McCain was demeaning. Depending on the cost of living where you live, many people can be at or even considerably above the media income and still not owe federal income taxes but that doesn't mean they don't also need a break, they need it most of all! And, they DO pay taxes - the payroll tax, state and local income taxes if applicable, sales taxes, property taxes - even if they don't earn enough to have to pay federal income taxes. Also, where is the help for them in McCain's health plan? It's NOT THERE!
Sorry to get a bit off-topic, Lloyd, but fortunately all Republicans aren't rich fat-cats who can't stand the thought of paying a single cent that may benefit someone who makes less than them and realize there are hard working families who need a "leg up" every bit as much as Joe the Plumber does.
Annie
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@philjas (1134)
• United States
21 Oct 08
All politicians use math to confuse people, frankly when it comes to economics and taxes, most of us don't understand it well enough to know what's really true in each candidates' plans. But what's clearly happened is that the McCain campaign has convinced people, at least the Republican base that were planning on voting for McCain anyway, that Obama's plan is going to take money from successful people and give it to lazy bums who don't work. That's what they hear when they hear "95% will get tax cuts including the 40% who don't pay taxes to begin with." They somehow translate "doesn't pay taxes" to "doesn't work", but as you've pointed out, what it means is the people who's "tax owed" line on their income return comes out to 0.00. This happens to a lot of people with low income, working people can end up with 0.00 income on paper because of standard deductions that EVERYBODY gets, then there are tax credits, like child care credits and earned income credit (yes, that is ONLY FOR PEOPLE WHO WORK, that one.) So giving a tax credit to people "who don't pay taxes" is only that, and we've been doing that for years anyway.
Obama's tax plan is not that dramatic compared to things have been done for years, it's just that FOR ONCE it gives the break to working people who don't happen to get paid $100+ an hour.
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@carolscash (9492)
• United States
20 Oct 08
I am not sure that you are exactly right about this. I believe that they are backing Obama because they realize that his plan is more solid than McCains' and they see what the rest of us see, who aren't using race as a factor for voting or not voting for someone. Palin is not the person we want in as vice President or President should something happen to McCain.
I believe that the economic policies are the biggest factor in this election and McCain just doesn't see to have a plan at all. I believe that universal healthcare is the second largest factor. I am not sure that he would do that either.
I firmly believe that Obama is the one who knows where the working class of people stand in life and that he realizes that we are the ones who need the help that America is supposed to give us.
Seperation of church and state is another issue all in it's own. This country was founded on God and should still stand for that. We are one nation under God and just because we have allowed so many different religions into our country doesn't mean that we should seperate ourselves from our original beliefs and stands. Prayer and discipline is what our schools need and teachers who are there to teach and not have affairs with the students or sexually abuse them.
Maybe the Republicans see what their party has accomplished the last 8 years and have decided that they are ready for a change!
@iriscot (1289)
• United States
20 Oct 08
I agree Lloyd,
I remember when Bush and Cheney set Colin Powell up and he made false statements at the U.N. on why we should go to war with Iraq. They set him up and it's a known fact the Colin Powell later regretted what he said.
I'll be voting for Obama.
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@lloydanthony111 (4698)
• United States
22 Oct 08
I bet you that Colin Powell regrets ever being associated with Bush and Cheney. That's probably why he resigned after Bush was re-elected.
I'm glad that he has endorsed Barack Obama. There are a lot of Americans who repect Colin Powell.
Lloyd
@lloydanthony111 (4698)
• United States
22 Oct 08
I believe that Barack Obama will have a calming effect on the financial crisis affecting countries throughout the world.
The world is looking for steady leadership from the United States. The erractic John McCain would keep the financial markets in it's current crisis.
Lloyd
@suruchi86 (1873)
• India
23 Oct 08
Yes, we want to see Mr. Obame to become the savior of the world from present financial mess.
@kenzie45230 (3560)
• United States
20 Oct 08
And there are Democrats who think that McCain is more qualified.
I'm so surprised at Americans who are willing to let the so-called rich pay more taxes so they can have more. That's not the American way. In fact, it's socialism.
All of those shaky associations of Obama's - the ones that he first tried to hide and then tried to deny - have one thing in common. They want big government and programs - to control the people.
I pray that Obama doesn't get in.
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@lloydanthony111 (4698)
• United States
20 Oct 08
There maybe Democrats who think that John McCain is more qualified, but I haven't come across them.
Don't be so obsessed by our wealthiest citizens and corporations paying a little extra. Afterall , they benifited from George Bush's tax cuts over the last eight years.
Did you every complain about the middle class not receiving a tax cut? Do you have something against a middle class tax break?
If you consider it socialism, then what do you call the 700 billion bailout of Wall Street and banks who comitted serious crimes?
Why do you side with them? Are you making over $250,000 per year?
You have your right to your opinions, but the American people have the right to vote for the person who will work in their best interest.
You should have prayed for George Bush instead of praying against Barack Obama.
I disagree with your position and so do millions of hard working middle class taxpayers.
Good day.
Lloyd
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@philjas (1134)
• United States
21 Oct 08
Apparently a lot of upperclass people disagree with your position too, kenzie45230, because most of these people we keep hearing about supporting Obama are presumably making more than 250K a year and will actually get that tax increase. They're probably voting for him anyway because they realize it's not going to hurt them hardly at all.
@Barb42 (4214)
• United States
20 Oct 08
Just who are you talking to or listening to? I think you should go on some of the message boards and listen to some democrats talk! They are coming out of the woodwork for McCain. And lets not make fun of Joe the Plumber. Your candidate went after him, not the other way round. AND then they vetted him like Obama had never been vetted, in order to try and ruin his life because he was a McCain supporter! In fact, they've made him famous and he didn't even ask for it! This is one republican that would NEVER vote for a democrat! And I personally know lots of die-hard Democrats that are voting Republican for the first time in their life this year.
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@lloydanthony111 (4698)
• United States
20 Oct 08
I see no signs of Democrats coming out of the woodwork for John McCain. I haven't see it anywhere.
As far as "Joe The Plumber" is concerned, his 15 minutes of fame are over. The only one talking about him are John McCain, Sarah Palin and a host of comedians.
Barack Obama has been vetted and vetted over and over again over the last 2 years. The problem you have with the vetting process is that all the lies about him have proven to be false.
Once again, I don't know of any Democrat switching parties and voting for John McCain, especially the caliber of Colin Powell.
Lloyd
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@iriscot (1289)
• United States
22 Oct 08
Barb are you one of those with the big red "R" branded on your bu--?
It sure sounds like it and it's too bad you can't wake up shake it off.
I have a couple of friends who are in the same condition and it's too bad, for both them and this country of ours!
@Barb42 (4214)
• United States
21 Oct 08
"The only democrats that are going to vote for McCain are the racists who just can let themselves vote for a black man. Shame, Shame on them."
So, all the black people who aren't voting for him and are voting for McCain - what do you call them? And don't say there aren't any because I know some and they aren't my neighbors. They've come out against him on the news or on the Internet.
"General Colin Powell is even going to vote for Obama!"
No surprise to me. I already knew he was liberal long before this campaign was started.
@savypat (20216)
• United States
20 Oct 08
Lloyd, I don't find it unusual for people to change horses when a winner is
on the other side of the fence, politically speaking. I think Obama and McCain were to close together and that many voters didn't have strong feelings on either
of them so now you see those voters going with who they feel will be the winner.
I think this is human nature not some complicated policial reason.
@lloydanthony111 (4698)
• United States
22 Oct 08
It's not as simple as that. The American people see a clear choice between John McCain and Barack Obama and have sided with the Democrats.
Who in their right mind would want 4 more years of a Republican in the White House?
They have failed at everything they've touched and don't deserve to be rewarded with another term in the White House.
Lloyd
@Little_Boy (448)
• India
20 Oct 08
Yeah, it was a bit surprising to me when with NBC television programm Colin Powell told that he had thrown his full weight for Barak Obama. The reaction of McCain was really interesting. He said he was not surprised at the decesion of Colin Powell. I beleive that Powell wanted to create some sort of storm in the tea cup. Now Obama has said, he will make Powell his advisor if he goes to power. We have to wait till the final voting day if Powell's support can give something to Obama.
@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
20 Oct 08
I would think they are taken by his charisma and that he is saying the right things and what people want to hear. They forget that he may not be a natural born U.S. citizen (if he is, he has to show his proper birth certificate), and really do not care. And if he said he was not, they will not kick him out of the preidency because he is Obama and can do no wrong. He is saying that he will fix the economy, distributed the wealth, take from the rich and give to the poor. I know this is simplistic, but basically distributing the wealth is taxing more heavily on the rich then was done by Bush, and giving that money to the poor, no matter if they deserve it or not, whether they are legals or illegals.
He thinks that he can fix the economy in four short years (which will probably be stretched to eight or more and people will accept it because it comes from Obama.) No president can fix the economy and if the Republicans do they are blamed, and if the Democrats do, they are praised even if it goes bad.
However I remember hearing about one who everyone liked, the media was behind, he did fix the economy, and he was a brilliant speaker that people would shout his name when they saw him.
His name was Hitler.
@lloydanthony111 (4698)
• United States
23 Oct 08
I glad that all of you responded to her mention of "Hitler". I was so flabbergasted by it that I had refused to comment on it.
Barack Obama has been called every name in the book and I'm not surprised that he's now being compared to "Hitler".
Thanks for helping me out with this one.
Lloyd
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@iriscot (1289)
• United States
22 Oct 08
Did I hear the name "Hitler" come up in this discussion.
Let's do a little review!Hitler and Gobbels brainwashed the German people into believing they were the master race and should rule all of Europe.
I believe a couple of other guys named Bush and Cheney brainwashed the American public into believing that Iraq had WMDs and was going to send rockets with nuculer warheads into our country and we had to start a war. A war that was totally unwarranted and has taken the lives of thousands of our young men and women and mamed for life many more.
Don't you dare compare Obama with the SOB Hitler!!!!!
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@jillmalitz (5131)
• United States
27 Oct 08
I think the whole party is in disarray. Once Colin Powell spoke so eloquently about his feelings, they saw the truth. Sarah Palin has been a sideshow taking the party off it's message. I am sure Sen McCain is a dedicated man who believes in his views of how to make this country better, but between the shadow of Pres Bush and the unreadiness of Mrs. Palin long time supporters are jumping ship as fast as they can. To note that the largest newspaper in the state of Alaska has endorsed Obama, makes me wonder how McCain plans to stop the bleeding.
@worldwise1 (14885)
• United States
23 Oct 08
I have to agree, lloydanthony, that a surprising number of Republicans are either openly or secretly endorsing Obama. The hard-core factions are still hoping for an "October Surprise" that will topple Obama from his position in the polls. They are grasping at any straws to dig up more dirt to pile onto the heap they have already amassed. They are playing up to the fears that most of them have about paying higher taxes when, actually, whoever gets in will more than likely have to raise taxes as these wars drag on and they continue to bail out the Fat Cats in the banking industry.
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@tamarafireheart (15384)
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20 Oct 08
Hi lloyd,
Maybe it a good thing to get more votes on Obama side, who knows.
Tamara
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@lloydanthony111 (4698)
• United States
22 Oct 08
I hope that many more will jump ship and vote for Barack Obama. It's time for a fundamental change in the direction our country is going.
I believe things will be a lot better if Barack Obama is elected.
Lloyd
@Opal26 (17679)
• United States
20 Oct 08
Hey lloyd! You may be right and I hope you are! But,
honestly I don't care how or why they decide to switch
parties they are right for doing so! The Republicans
will sink with the ship and the Country if they pull that
lever and I think that they know that now and some are
finally no longer afraid to admit it out loud! And all
I have to say is whatever the reason, whatever will work
to get to cross party lines just do it! If they don't
and they do support McCain we will be in so much more
trouble then we are already in thanks to Bush! With only
2 more weeks to go I hope more and more of them will come
out and give their support!
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