So I am opening a new restaurant.....
By shamsta19
@shamsta19 (3224)
United States
November 8, 2008 4:59am CST
..and I need some ideas for the menu. Now first of all consider this. It is an after hours fast food joint. I am not trying to limit myself here to hamburgers and hot wings (but I will be serving those). I think to myself, what would I want to eat at 3AM? And I am usually awake at these hours. There isn't another restaurant like this where I live (not in the immediate area) and everything else is closed by twelve.
There are a lot of night owls out here, several night clubs, four bars that close at two, I have a customer base already. Just need to put the menu together. Give me all your ideas and nothing is too far fetched, I'd consider anything. I don't want recipes here just some ideas. I will take it from there.
Cheeseburgers
Hamburgers
Hot Dogs
Fish And Chips
Hot Wings
French Fries
Onion Rings
All these are already on the menu. And a few other appetizers. So I am open to any suggestion.
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36 responses
@ThirdMillion (604)
• United States
9 Nov 08
Congratulations on your new venture. I wish you the best of luck with it. Why not try to offer some lighter, healthier entrees for your customers. If you're going to cater to the latenight drinking crowd, people might want to have something a little lighter that will sit well and not make them feel ill. How about a couple of nice salads or some fruit arrangements? Something high in nutrients to help fight the morning hangover. Also, plenty of water and perhaps a vitamin water or flavored waters. People up late drinking need to saty hydrated and I think people will do what it takes to feel better the next morning. It also might be a good idea to offer strategically named items like, "The Hangover Helper." This could be something as simple as a combo meal that includes a Vitamin Water, a salad, and a single serving pack of tylenol? Just a thought. Good luck with your new venture. Be sure to keep us posted on your progress.
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@shamsta19 (3224)
• United States
9 Nov 08
THE HANGOVER HELPER!!!! I LOVE IT!!!
Salads we already had in mind but a fruit salad might be workable. COFFEE is a definite!! You have to remember I am in South Carolina and there aren't too many health conscious folks around here..
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@shamsta19 (3224)
• United States
10 Nov 08
You think it is busy here? It is WWWAAAAYYYY too slow for me. Exactly why I am opening an all night business. people act like after elven it's lights out around here and everyone is still awake anyway. I plan on killing the market because I will be the only one open anyway.
@ThirdMillion (604)
• United States
9 Nov 08
I understand what you mean. I lived in South Carolina for 3 years. Myrtle Beach to be exact. I liked it, but it's not for me. Too busy all the time. My parents live there now and love it. Good luck with your new venture. I hope it is a prosperous one for you.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
10 Nov 08
I could notget back earlier.Like what is said in the comment this is the broad preparation method.However, you can shallow fry it on a pan too [like an omlette] instead of deep frying it. Basically the boiled potatoes must be mashed with enough spices and salt and rolled in bread crumbs and shallow fried.These are tasty and you can make it a selling point i f the customer is oil/fat conscious.
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@shamsta19 (3224)
• United States
9 Nov 08
Please elaborate. I have never heard of these.
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@Wordplay (239)
• Canada
10 Nov 08
It is a dish popular in India. Basically, they are potatoes that are mashed, mixed with ingredients such as onion, coriander leaves, lime and green chilies then rolled into balls and fried. They are served with tamarind chutney.
I found various recipes for potato tikka and each one had slightly different ingredients. Chicken tikka is also very popular.
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@kingcrapper (1536)
• United States
8 Nov 08
Wow! Sounds like you really have things going for your place! What is it like to own an eatery like that? I would like your input because I have been talking to an associate of mine who is selling his place and is willing to deal. What I would be looking at is leasing the place for a year or two just to make a go at it. He has a liquer licence which we would work into the deal. I have never ran a place before. Do you think it would worth a try?
@kingcrapper (1536)
• United States
8 Nov 08
Sounds like you the 'American Foods' theme wrapped up. You could always take one of your items and put some flair to it...double the size of the meat, etc. Keep the theme but have one product that is your trademark!
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@shamsta19 (3224)
• United States
8 Nov 08
My brother and I were talking about that just the other day. I don't know what my signature is going to be but we need that one thing that pops. Already got a hot wing place I cant compete with across the street. A real pizzeria and Papa Johns across the street. Taco Bell, Subway down the road. My thing is we will be open all night because all of these businesses are usually closed by ten. That is the major selling point but I do need that signature dish. I am willing to try a lot of things here. Even like the Japanese food idea above, I just think its a bit much to start off with. There's a Japanese Hibachi restaurant across the way as well and a Thai food restaurant in the same plaza I am looking to invest in. Neither of these places is very good though.
What would be my signature? I could spruce the burgers up but who hasn't done that? And with McDonald's and Burger King nearby, the burger has been done. I need ideas folks..
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@Barbietre (1438)
• United States
11 Nov 08
Try sweet potato fries. They are have less carbs and a tiny bit healthier. What kind of oils will you use for frying?
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@shamsta19 (3224)
• United States
12 Nov 08
I know people like those I am not much of a fan of sweet potato but they are pretty popular around here. Haven't thought about the oil, but most likely the vegetable oil I have seen in a lot of restaurants around here. No Lard or animal fat. I'd like to use corn or sunflower oil instead of vegetable as they tend to splatter less, and I know they are healthier. In the end I guess that will come down to cost though, honestly.
@MizzLadyB08 (1174)
• United States
8 Nov 08
If it is an after hours resturaunt you should also serve breakfast because some people like to eat breakfast late at night too.
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@shamsta19 (3224)
• United States
8 Nov 08
I thought of this as well. I do not plan on serving any pork in my restaurant. In the South, pork is the basic tenet of a "good breakfast." I didn't want to disappoint or have to compromise my principles but the idea had crossed my mind. Turkey Bacon and Beef Sausage maybe. But I'd rather not even put any pork product or substitutes in the business. People will be upset if they cant get bacon and the late night option is going to keep em coming anyway.
And we have some early morning Breakfast joints around here by the time they are opening up I will be headed home...
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@shamsta19 (3224)
• United States
9 Nov 08
I am in Myrtle Beach right now. Don't do pork for religious reasons as well but it really isn't necessary to have in the restaurant. I think if it is late at night, people will be happy to get anything. I could have french fries all night and kill em out here!
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@MizzLadyB08 (1174)
• United States
9 Nov 08
You in the South, which part. I do not eat pork like I use to may every now and then but I try to eat less because it messes with my blood pressure. I am North Carolina. I have have Turkey bacon before as a matter of fact I but that more now than the pork bacon and the turkey bacon is really good. Good luck on the resturaunt.
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@wujinbo (341)
• China
8 Nov 08
congratuation.you open your restaurant,it means you reach your success half.maybe you can add some chinese food or the japanese food ,the restaurant will be more choice to eat.and at pm you can put some menu about the tea called afternoon tea,so the customers like it too.
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@shamsta19 (3224)
• United States
8 Nov 08
While I love Chinese and Japanese food I do fear it is to extravagant for this type of restaurant, at least at this early stage.
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@LordPinhead (61)
• Germany
9 Nov 08
Have a look at spanish cooking. There are socalled tapas, tiny dishes served at all times. Mostly first is free, served with first drink in bars. Allmost any of them can be prepared in advance. Adapt the size to your needs, that's all.
@warmweatherwoman (2233)
• Atlantic City, New Jersey
11 Nov 08
Well something quick that EVERYONE seems to love these days are Pastellios or some call them Empanadas(spanish) (meat patties). My side business is catering and I vend and many events - we make them fresh and sell them wholesale- let me know if your interested ;)
We make all kinds including but not limited to the following:
cheesesteak
beef
chicken cheesesteak
seafood (crab & shrimp)
pizza
@warmweatherwoman (2233)
• Atlantic City, New Jersey
11 Nov 08
thought I would add a pic of them :)
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@warmweatherwoman (2233)
• Atlantic City, New Jersey
12 Nov 08
Well - not that I am offended in any way- but these are a puerto rican dish- not mexican...lol. You know how we hispanics have to get real specific about what our heritage is...lol.... and you being from the bronx- you know exactly what I mean.
Empanadas to my knowledge do not contain sweet plaintain- they are exactly the same as pastellios- at least in my neck of the woods they are.
I recently was a vendor at our local Harvenst Festival (yearly carnival) and made over $1500 in pastellios alone:) Our specialty ones (shrimp & Crabmeat) and the cheesesteak were our biggest seller. (just a bit of inside marketing for ya).
Have a great day:)
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@shamsta19 (3224)
• United States
12 Nov 08
Umm I can make Pastellios and eat them all the time. I am from the Bronx you know? It is a very good idea as there are a lot of Mexican people around here and while they may not be considered "Mexican Food" per say, the Spanish influence would be appreciated around here. Thanks so much for the idea and long time no hear from...
Empanadas I have never had before but I thought they had sweet plantain in them as well am I wrong?
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@keelymcilwain (797)
• Canada
20 Dec 08
sausages, ribs, steaks, nachos, poutine, fries deluxe, chicken wraps, quasadias, cheese bread, pizza's, panzoroties, chicken strips, chicken burgers, salads, lots of deserts like pies, cakes, brownies, ice creams, shakes, sundaes, tarts, muffins. Like for me a late night place isn't just after the bars or a parties, its coming home from work or driving in the night I would love to get home cooked food like that instead of McDonald.
@shamsta19 (3224)
• United States
20 Dec 08
Exactly! Though I will not serve any pork products these are the types of things I am looking to serve and precisely the reason why. Though the plan here was to have a late night restaurant. My hours would most likely be from 6pm to 6am. I'd be open for the dinner crowd but catering more to the late night and early morning crowd as no one else is open at these hours.
But what is poutine? Panzoroties? Never heard of these.
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@shamsta19 (3224)
• United States
25 Dec 08
WE just call em gravy fries and the pizza pocket sounds a lot like a calzone. Either way sounds great! Thanks!
@keelymcilwain (797)
• Canada
25 Dec 08
poutine is fires with cheese and gravy melted on them. Mmmm and panzoroties are like big pizza pockets
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@lvaldean (1612)
• United States
8 Nov 08
That is awesome! So don't go with the easy and norm, go with comfort food. Food those night owls can sit down and enjoy or take with them.
Main dishes:
Fried Chicken and Waffles (my favorite from Amy Ruths in Harlem)
Smothered Pork Chops
Smothered Fish
Short Ribs
Fried Shrimp
Chicken Strips
Sides:
Mac & Cheese (done the right way)
Carribean Peas & Rice (the best)
Onion Rings
Greens (Collard are my faves)
For the small appetite:
Gumbo
Jambalaya
Gotta have cornbread!
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@shamsta19 (3224)
• United States
8 Nov 08
Oh and pasta dishes. I am expert in making Italian food (Or Chinese, American, a little Caribbean, wow I can cook) but already thought about aluminum tins with pasta dishes and bread. CORNBREAD WOULD DEFINENTLY BE INCLUDED IF I STARTED WITH THE HOME COOKED MEALS.
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@shamsta19 (3224)
• United States
8 Nov 08
Fried chicken and waffles I am so hungry right now!!!!!!!
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@lvaldean (1612)
• United States
9 Nov 08
Funny, I don't like pork either. But you are in the South and it is a staple of home cooking. But leave it off and I doubt most people would miss it.
My dear - I know Amy Ruth's and Sylvias! Also know how to cook everything on my list. I can burn, as they say.
My Peas & Rice are the bomb and my Mac & Cheese will take you home.
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@kerriannc (4279)
• Jamaica
10 Nov 08
Congratulation on Opening up your Restaurant. If you ever need a financial advisor don't be afraid to contact me. You can sample some Jamaican food. I know that there are dishes such as ackee and saltfish (codfish) serve with fry dumplings (Johnny cake). You can also serve Salt mackerel with boil green bananas. You can checked out this website www.jamaicans.com/cooking. I hope you enjoy trying our dishes.
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@shamsta19 (3224)
• United States
10 Nov 08
Hold up, I grew up eating Ackee and Saltfish, Jerk Chicken, Curry everything, Esco Fish, Stew Chicken, Rice and Peas, Patty and Bread. The South lacks the ingredients for all these things. I have to travel home (NY) for jerk seasoning and Ackee and the like. I am going to check out your recipes for myself.
Half of my family is from Barbados, the other half form the South. I was born and raised in New York and grew up with Jamaicans And Puerto Ricans my whole life. You can imagine the types of cookery I am used to. I love eating this stuff and can't cook a lot of it. I will incorporate as much Caribbean cooking into my menu as possible.
@kerriannc (4279)
• Jamaica
10 Nov 08
Sorry Shamsta, I forget that you said No Recipes. Don't be mad.
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@kerriannc (4279)
• Jamaica
11 Nov 08
I can just imagine the cooking that you went through Shamsta. I don't know were you are living but Jamaicans tends to open shops so what you can do is to investigate and see if there are any Jamaicans shops nearby you and see if you can get the ingredients from the Caribbean. Caribbean dishes are really unique, simple and enjoyable. I know that you will enjoy preparing them as much as how the customers will be enjoy eating them. All the best. Kerri
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@halynn (1809)
• United States
3 Dec 08
Gotta have cheese sticks! Those are great too! i would also put some kind of pasta on there too if you like pasta. Like maybe a simple mac & cheese or noodls with paramesian then maybe put some cheddar cheese on your noodles & bake it in the oven you know. the cheese on top of the noodles after they've cooked.
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@shamsta19 (3224)
• United States
3 Dec 08
My mom says I should put my homemade lasagna on the menu. I am a pasta king but I don't want to get that complex with the food in this place. I figured we could do daily specials where I would basically cook dinner like I usually do and serve it up as a blue plate special or something. What didn't get eaten is coming home for leftovers.
Cheese sticks were actually on the menu. Thank you for your suggestions.
@shamsta19 (3224)
• United States
12 Nov 08
They serve that at Sonic here. It more of a slush with cherry limeade, or a bunch of other flavors.
@mamaafrica9 (108)
• United States
23 Nov 08
I been reading all the comments and suggestion and the main reason most people open a restuarant is because people like how they cook. There something about what they cook and how they cook that people wants more. I come from a big family and every one had there way of cooking but it was one thing they did that stood out. Like my sister potatoe salad, my brother teryaki chicken, my younger brother shrimps and pasta salad, my other brother mac & cheese. If you have something that every one likes that sould be the topic or specialilty that will make people come. Now if it going to be an all nighter then you need a batter that makes wings good, fish delicious, and great on fries and onion rings.
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@shamsta19 (3224)
• United States
23 Nov 08
This is also a reason I considered opening this business. Everyone I know loves the way I cook anything! I have worked in restaurants for years but I have been cooking since I was like eight or something. I have been cooking well since high school (I graduated in 93). I have a lot of specialties, Pastas, Asian, Some Caribbean, good ol' fashioned soul food, whatever. If I get a recipe or see it done once I can do it. My imagination is crazy in the kitchen and I have prepared food for master chefs as well. I am not too fond of all the gourmet stuff but I do like the presentation, "if it looks good it will taste good."
Anyway a lot of people tell me I should open a restaurant but I always took it as a compliment on my cooking. I don't want it to become a job you know? But I do get a genuine satisfaction when people are enjoying something I prepared, I don't know why. I want people to like what I make. I have made people who normally don't like brussel sprouts, love them!! I really do get a rush out of that! I want to bring that to my restaurant but not get too complicated and end up having to cook all day. I do not have that one thing I cook well, I can do it all I think. If I can't I can learn. I just really like cooking!My family and I had this idea of a restaurant where you could get anything you wanted. I could just see myself cooking large quantities of food on a daily basis and just killing myself in the end. Now I think I will just have a dinner plate special every night for those who want it. Sorry for babbling just felt inspired just now.
@shamsta19 (3224)
• United States
25 Nov 08
I will let you know when this gets afloat. Thanks for posting!
@mamaafrica9 (108)
• United States
24 Nov 08
I know your resturant will be a success no matter what you do it sound like you got what it takes to make it a hit. I feel the energy in your writing, when you get it up and running don't forget to post it. I will visit I am in Georgia not so far away.
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@lilaclady (28207)
• Australia
9 Nov 08
You know for early morning I think eggs on toast is nice and light, but you you lately when i go to a restaurant i have been ording bruschetta, I know this is traditionally an Italian thing, but i love it, I think various toasted sandwhiches are good also good, and maybe some nice salad mixes like , egg salad, seafood salad in thousand island dressing...well these are the things I go for, good luck with your restaurant...
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@lilaclady (28207)
• Australia
9 Nov 08
Oh late night early morning is a great time to have eggs on toast, I haven them all the time at restaurants....doesn't have to be breakfast...
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@shamsta19 (3224)
• United States
9 Nov 08
As stated above I think I am going to leave Breakfast alone for now but I don't think anyone is ready for bruschetta just yet!! I have seen some served down here in some more well to do establishments. Maybe on my appetizer list..
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@34momma (13882)
• United States
10 Nov 08
well you can never go wrong with breakfast foods. some good eggs and grits at 3 in the morning sounds good to me. don't forget those people who eat healthy so a few different kinds of salads are always a great idea. i think comfort foods are what people want to eat when they come from the bar or club. something that is going to stick to you and keep you from barfing! LOL so mashed potatos and meatloaf are another great item to have on the menu.
or you can have 5 entrees, 5 appetizers, and 5 sizes that you make that are just amazing to eat and focus on that
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@34momma (13882)
• United States
11 Nov 08
yeah keeping it simple is a great idea, and you can not go wrong with serving breakfast. i too don't eat pork and have some turkey and beef would be great. keeping it simple keeps the kitchen running smoothly. and if you can put out 5 great dishes rather then 10 ok dishes, you will keep them coming back for more and more
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@shamsta19 (3224)
• United States
12 Nov 08
I am looking for about twice that and more if I do add breakfast. 10 good meals (15 - 20 with breakfast), and 10 really off the hook appetizers. I will eventually settle on my menu and figure this out. Right now I am really enjoying this discussion it has made me hungry.
@shamsta19 (3224)
• United States
10 Nov 08
Another vote for the keep it simple menu and for breakfast. I may have to invest in turkey bacon and beef sausage. I love cooking breakfast just don't do pork. Grits and eggs, Hash all that is cool. I get sick at the smell of pork now though and I will not serve any no matter what.
Five, five and five sounds like a good idea and will avoid having a lot of excess costs. I am going to eventually settle on a fixed menu based on cost and perspective sales. I also want to serve the public what they desire at 3am.. Thanks for your ideas..
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@sk66rc (4250)
• United States
13 Nov 08
Congratulations, shamsta!!! Man, I wish I could cook, at least good enough to open up my own restaurant! Next time when I'm down at Myrtle Beach, I'll be looking for your over-nighter's place. With that said, I might have over looked it but have you ever thought of Pancakes? It might be little too heavy for those who just got out from long night of drinking. French toasts, muffins, waffles, simple breakfast stuff. How about good old grit? Man, you really have to let me know where this is going to be so I can stop by after long night of partying...
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@shamsta19 (3224)
• United States
14 Nov 08
I will let you know if and when I get this venture off the ground. I am looking at the start of the new year to open this!!! If everything goes as planned we will open up by then. I think I have to cave in on the breakfast thing and at least offer a few breakfast foods. The breakfast menu won't be too long though. I will consider pancakes, but they get sloppy. I think it might work but i have to consider doubling my food expenses with breakfast as well..
@shamsta19 (3224)
• United States
15 Nov 08
I have had Philly Cheese Steaks and there are a few places here that have them (Not like in Philly though!)on the menu. It's an excellent idea. I can make those, no problem, maybe even better than both restaurants across the street. They'd be so mad. I think I will add cheese steaks my friend. Thank you.
@sk66rc (4250)
• United States
14 Nov 08
Yeah, you're right. Pancakes do tend to get a bit sloppy with pancake mix laying around. One of my clients whom I've done a lot of jobs for just opened up a pizza place. He did say the first 8 month to a year is just pouring money into the place & doing a lot of work. I know timing might be an issue but have you consider cheese steaks? I'm not sure how good of a seller it might be at 3 in the morning but it's pretty much same idea as burgers, "meat in a bread" type of thing. Man! You should come up to Philly & try out some of the Philly cheese steak & bring it down to where you are. Might take off really well...
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@Wordplay (239)
• Canada
10 Nov 08
Congratulations on your new restaurant! It sounds like you are about to embark on a very exciting business venture.
Just out of curiosity, how far along is your plan? Are you still in the concept stages or do you have a physical location established? How soon will you be opening? It sounds as though you have a built-in customer base, which is half the battle.
Also, were you planning to put a particular "spin" on it (such as a particular look)? Years ago I was at a 50's style diner in Pittsburgh, complete with jukebox and retro-style soda fountain. The place was hopping even at 2 am!
For some variety to your menu, you could add some pub grub such as nachos. To add some Southern flavour, what about hush puppies? I like the idea of chicken wings, but don't just stick with hot wings...after having a few too many, spicy food may not go down so well, so offer some milder alternatives like honey garlic or breaded. You could offer jumbo-sized portions of the nachos and/or wings to make them perfect for sharing.
Rather than getting too many menu items, perhaps you could stick with a few basics, but offer many varieties of that one item. In my neighbourhood there is a restaurant that specializes in hot dogs. Of course, they have alternate options (including chicken strips with fries in basket or battered shrimp with fries in a basket), but everybody goes for the hot dogs--they have about 20 different ways to serve them. They also have a well-stocked ice cream bar. The restaurant gets huge crowds in the summertime, which is why they have been in business for more than 50 years.
Add a few good desserts--maybe some homemade pies or cakes--and, of course LOTS of coffee.
Best of luck to you! Keep us posted on how it goes.
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@shamsta19 (3224)
• United States
10 Nov 08
I know we can get caught up with lots of ideas and stray away from just keeping it simple. I don't want to get ahead of myself. I have to remember why I thought of the idea in the first place, we had nowhere to go eat after twelve, and I stay up ALL NIGHT!! I knew what I wanted to eat and couldn't get. Hot food.
Nachos are definently going on this menu! Got a few different flavor wings I can make, Mild, Hot, XXX, and BBQ of course!!!
@shamsta19 (3224)
• United States
10 Nov 08
I know we need desserts as well and the coffee was a must as we are up all night. Been thinking of calling the place that! Something like that. I will keep you informed but it probably won't happen until after new years so we are still in beginning stages. I just spoke to the realtor about a certain piece of property I am eying right now that would be the perfect location. Have some other prospects but I like this spot!! We will see what happens. Thanks for posting.
@psspurgeon1 (1109)
• United States
12 Nov 08
Cheese sticks, chili cheese fries, cheese fries, chips and dips, blooming onions, pulled pork bbq, maybe some macarroni/cole slaw/baked beans. I have always wanted to be involved in the opening of a restaruant! How exciting for you. Hope any of these ideas are of help to you! Wish you the best of luck! Do I get a coupon for giving ya ideas??? LOL
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@shamsta19 (3224)
• United States
12 Nov 08
Loved all your suggestions untilllI got to pulled pork! I am not going to serve pork in my restaurant. I is just a decision I stand by and something my customers will have to get over because it will never happen. I am considering alternative meats but for the most part, as of where we stand right now with the menu, I don't need to.
This is something I probably wouldn't have to consider unless I add breakfast to the menu, also of which I am seriously considering. Breakfast would take us past the time I prospected to be open. As I was getting ready to close people would be waking up looking to eat. There are some early morning diners around here as well. I plan on ruling the night!!!
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
17 Jan 09
Potato skins and cheese sticks would be good.Sometimes people eating that late like a breakfast type meal..maybe you could do french toast sticks or eggs with hashbrowns. When me and my frends went to eat after being out we went to a breakfast bar that was open from 1 to 4am. It was really good.
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@shamsta19 (3224)
• United States
17 Jan 09
I have so many votes for that breakfast menu. I have put the restaurant on hold until my finances straighten out. Hopefully this will happen this year. Thanks for the input!!!