Why Is It People Think Those That Are On Benefits As Being....
By pyewacket
@pyewacket (43903)
United States
November 21, 2008 7:20pm CST
Lazy, or taxpayer's freeloaders?
Rant alert and yes this will be a long one..so bare with me....
I think anyone of us who do happen to get any kind of benefits, whether SSI, SSI-D, Food Stamps, etc. have run into this kind of attitude from people, that is that we're lazy, don't want to work, and are freeloaders since we are a "burden to taxpayers". Why is that prey tell?
People who have become disabled for whatever reason didn't ASK to become disabled...we would LOVE to work if we could, but if some health/medical problem has cropped up and prevents us from working, the only way we can live at all, that is to pay our rent, and utilities just to get by is to receive benefits of some kind, and for those who have or are trying to get those benefits, it's no easy task by a long shot to get them.
Now yes, there are many people who have abused the system...claiming benefits who don't really deserve them, but for those who really, truly need them none of us are exactly living high on the hog...we're not having caviar, champagne and fillet mignon dinners every night, but just basics. Most of us are living in what would be considered below poverty, yes poverty standards. We consider ourselves lucky however, to get those benefits to allow us to have a roof over our heads and provide for life's basic necessities.
I've been on SSI benefits since 1996. While my mother was still alive and I was living with her my benefits were so low as to be hysterically ludicrous. My benefits did go up upon her death, but I'm still by no means whopping it up. I do supplement my benefits a bit by writing my articles for various websites and that helps to get a few more necessities in life, or pay more bills.
I guess I'm thinking out loud here, since one of my neighbors often commented to a friend of mine who then relay what this neighbor had told her...the idea that "Well she doesn't LOOK disabled." Even my own grandmother who was still alive when I started to get my symptoms thought I was faking my disability and was being lazy and didn't want to work..what a load of crock...Of COURSE I wanted to work and I did for awhile and was a successfully published photographer despite my disability. As long as I was able to go to my Post Office and send out my photo portfolios to get my work published, I WAS WORKING, and had the checks of payment to prove it...yet I still got this negative attitude toward me by people that I was a lazy freeloading beech.
Now many of us on SSI or any benefits would LOVE to perhaps work if able, yet the Social Security system often hinders us and punishes us if we do try to find some kind of work to supplement our benefits a tad. And not for luxuries but for more necessities in life. For instance, a person like me on plain SSI (and the only reason I'm on regular SSI rather than SSI-D is I didn't "tally" up enough work points to qualify)..I'm allowed an extra $85.00 a month without my benefits being affected....now not to poo-poo $85.00 a month but crap, I find that unrealistic. Yet, a person on SSI-D can often be allowed up to $500 extra a month (someone on SSI-D will have to verify this for me). Now if we do earn more than that given maximum amount of earnings our benefits are affected...something like for every $2.00 earned, $1.00 is eliminated from the benefits. Like huh? The whole idea of maybe wanting to earn extra in addition to the benefits are for living expenses, not luxuries. Even people on retirement benefits can be penalized and benefits are deducted as well.
Since many of us receiving SSI or SSI-D usually can't work full time due to a disability (the whole reason to be on benefits in the first place), even part time work would rake in too much money for what is allowed to earn without benefits affected. All the more reason why yes, many of us do try to find some outlet (like writing articles, etc) that might allow us to work "off the books"
As mentioned my benefits that I receive categorizes me as living below poverty level..although strange I don't FEEL poverty-stricken, but naturally and eventually would love to become fully self-sufficient with my own on-line business in photography and kiss the benefits good-bye. Yes, I do still have my dogged determination to "make it" and make it big time.
Now don't get me wrong ..I'm very grateful for the benefits I do get, but in no way am I living high on the hog. The only reason I was able to get some extra items even such as my own computer system and film scanner was due to the death of my mother two years ago...she had NO life insurance, no savings or checking accounts...It did turn out that there were some funds from a former place of employment she had...most of that money paid her funeral costs and other bills, what was left over I opted to get my computer/film scanner system a year ago, and believe me it was the best investment I could ever have made for myself..without that extra money, I still be schlepping over to the library to use their computers for a measly hour. Then with some other "extra" money I got tied with my mother, I opted to get a new bed and mattress, if it hadn't been for that money, with the money I get in benefits there would have been no way I could have gotten them, and I'd still be sleeping on a 46 year old bed-frame on a 25-year old mattress.
What really often ticks me off is the attitude also of people who will judge us if we don't LOOK disabled...What? Are we all supposed to be bedridden or wheel-chair bound to qualify as disabled? Many medical disabilities are internal ones that can't be seen, but that still doesn't mean a person isn't disabled.
I'm just so fed up with people who have the attitude that people who receive benefits of any kind will snub their noses at us, treat us like shat and think we're all lazy, good for nothing freeloaders that are a burden to taxpayers..Like I said..we didn't ASK to become disabled.
Off my soapbox.....
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28 responses
@nanajanet (4436)
• United States
22 Nov 08
I know people who have and are on assistance and really need it. They are not taking advantage and they want to get off of it. Then I know ones who ARE taking advantage and it makes me sick. That money is for people who truly need help and it is not fair.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
22 Nov 08
Someone once told me that once a person is on benefits how hard it is to really get off of them unless one can have the security of a really, really good paying job..that's why so many remain sort of stuck on them. Yes, sadly too many people do take advantage of the system and are receiving benefits they don't deserve...I think that's one of the reasons for people who are trying to get on benefits now that are really deserving find it so hard to get them as the SSA is trying to weed out the ones who have abused the system
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@nanajanet (4436)
• United States
22 Nov 08
They also do not make it easy to get off of the system, too. I have a friend, who was having serious problems, going through terrible depression and panic/anxiety, including agoraphobia (fear of being out in public). She was fine with people she knew but around strangers she would freak. It runs in her family but is brought on by major stress, too.
Her landlady, because she was an idiot and just a mean person, was making her so stressed that she lost her job because she could not focus. She would just blank out, forget where she is, etc. This made it all worse and it got to a point where taking the dog for a walk past her own block was a horror.
Because she could not work, I told her to apply for assistance. Well, first of all, they were all a bunch of idiots, telling her (one with agoraphobia) that she may have to live in shelter until they could find her an apartment, took over her money and would not pay her bills on time, and caused her more stress to the point that she had a bad fight with her daughter one night and her daughter called the social worker and they put her in a mental hospital for two weeks, the absolute worst thing they could have done because she was not crazy.
We tried to get her off and I was going to have her move with me in my state but they would not let her get off of assistance, and still is not. She no longer wants their help, and even though she is not in the hospital anymore, they will not get her off of it.
She met a guy, and they have been together and want to start a life together and they still will not let her off assistance. She does not want it and they will not let her off. How stupid is that?!!!!
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
22 Nov 08
LOL..I full well know what panic disorder/agoraphobia is all about as that is what my "problem" is. At one time in my life it was so bad that I was completely housebound..couldn't even leave my apartment to go downstairs to get the mail without freaking out in panic. Thank goodness those days are gone..but still not there yet to really go out in the world...working on it though. During my worse years (housebound) I finally found a therapist who made house visits and would take me out..sadly I had to stop as money became tight..I wasn't on SSI yet. I do remember him telling me that all too often people with agoraphobia were shoved in mental homes as they were thought to be crazy. It seems though panic disorder/agoraphobia is a lot more understood though than it was years and years ago when I first got it..One thing that has helped tremendously though is listening to Lucinda Bassett's "attacking anxiety" program...she recommends the behavioral cognitive therapy approach and really isn't too keen on the med route which I agree with.
I never heard of such moronic strategies though in that they don't want to get your friend off assistance though..that really does sound stupid.
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@Thumper11 (662)
• United States
22 Nov 08
My boyfriend and I recieve food stamps, but nothing else. Well, I am recieving unemployment. I recieve $79 every week on unemployment and we get $89 a month in food stamps. My boyfriend does not have a job at all, so this is our only income..... How in the hell is anyone suppossed to live like this? This is not even comfortable, this is barely surviving. I posted a blog about how horably I was treated at the local food stamp office at one point, just because my parents are successful in their business and my mom and aunt are successful in their business. Any one who wants to hear my experience can go to www.myspace.com/hollythumper I welcome comments and stories.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
22 Nov 08
PS I just asked you for a friend...was trying to add you added as a friend at myspace but it seems they have this new "system" now that I can't access too..sheesh
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@mssnow (9484)
• United States
22 Nov 08
I truley understand people on disablity when they need it. Its nice it is there for you. I on the other hand am unemployed have searched (beleive me I go out there day after day when i can afford bus fare)for a job for over a year with no luck. Yet there are no beneifits for me. I have to live in a situation I hate because of not working and not being able to find a job. I get no beneifits not even help with my bus fare. Because i live in a household where someone does work and makes more than the poverty level, I cant get any benefits . So I live with my worn out clothes worn out shoes etc. One thing is I live rent free and get my food for free but I have no money for anything else. People think i am lazy too. They have told me there is a job for me i just havent found it. I have tried fast food places. telemarkerter jobs. all the jobs people say are out there. No one will hire me. So here i sit, no money just waiting on the day when i can get a job and go to work. So yes i know how you feel because even people who are able to work that cant find ajob get called lazy.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
22 Nov 08
That's one of the reasons my benefits were so pitifully low to be almost a joke when my mother was still alive and was living with her but it was better than nothing but sure didn't help buying simple necessities. That's another downer too...a person might want to genuinely work, like you but like how is one to find work if you don't even have the carfare/busfare to get to potential jobs??
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
24 Nov 08
Wow MSV1313...I've bookmarked that website too....who knows maybe I could benefit from it in some way..thanks ever
@ElicBxn (63643)
• United States
22 Nov 08
You are so right!
I know some disabled persons.
Some can have jobs, work full time and not need SSI.
Others are totally disabled and still make too little to keep a roof over their heads without assistance.
I don't think most people want to become disabled.
I'm still working, but there are some people with fibro are totally disabled. I fear that I will become more disabled, I hope I can continue working until I'm 63 or whatever the age drawing SSI by the time I get there!
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
22 Nov 08
Mmm..did you know though that the earlier one tries to get retirement benefits the SSA will penalize you also? That's what happened to my mother..instead of waiting until 65 to get her benefits she opted to get them at 62....penalty? If she had waited she could have gotten about $400 MORE a month..Bottom line..it's better to wait as long as possible
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@Galena (9110)
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22 Nov 08
because some people on benefits are lazy, or sponging off the state and able to work.
sadly a lot of people think the world owes them a living and they need do nothing more than put their hand out and be given what they need.
and this is unfortunate, because it makes life harder for people that genuinely need the help. if it weren't for the spongers, the rest of us who need that help might be doing more than just scraping by from day to day, and actually having a decent and comfortable life.
I get carers allowance myself, for looking after my partner.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
25 Nov 08
I actually do know a few people on benefits that are always asking for further handouts from people...and with the attitude that society owes them somehow...how sad no?
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@sharra1 (6340)
• Australia
22 Nov 08
I quite agree with you. I am currently on unemployment benefits in Australia but I cannot work because I have a disabling illness that is recognised as a disability. I have been on medical certificates for 18 months now and if the current attempt at rehabilitation does not work then next year I am going to apply for the disability pension.
I do not look disabled but I can barely walk, can barely function in day to day life and if I tried to find a job they would not give me the time of day because I just cannot function at a level that an employer needs. I know when I first got sick I had trouble thinking of myself as disabled as I thought of people in wheelchairs like that but living with this illness every day I know what it feels like to be disabled.
I think that people need to be more understanding. The money is barely enough to live on. If they snub their noses just snub right back at them. They are healthy and should be very glad they are not sick with and illness you cannot see that makes every day a struggle to manage.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
24 Nov 08
I don't know why people think that when people are on benefits, any kind of benefits that we're living high on the hog. Look at retired people as well, unless all those years they were working they kept shoving x-amount of their income into savings, CDs, IRAs, Keogh plans, etc, retirement benefits aren't much better.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
22 Nov 08
Not really unfair..just sometimes misunderstood
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@xlinzixx (510)
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22 Nov 08
i know exactly how you feel my partner has been on benefits for over a year now after leaving his job to move to another country and when he come back was when all this talk of a credit crisis started. he would do anything for a job as he hates just sitting around all day looking for jobs but he just cant seem to find one no one seems to be taking people on.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
24 Nov 08
I sure hope he can find a job, but not easy, when you hear more and more layoffs of jobs rather than hiring...
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@thebeaddoodler (4262)
• Lubbock, Texas
22 Nov 08
It's really sad that the bad eggs make life so miserable for those of us who can't feasibly work for one reason or another. While it is true that there are people who are 2nd 3rd 4th and even 5th generation welfare recipients and they could work if they would, but they know all the ways to work the system instead of a job. It's not fair to judge other people by how disabled they "look".
I have a friend who's had a knee replacement and while he does get around pretty well, he still has his disabled tag on his vehicle because he simply can't walk across an huge parking lot to go into a store. His wife is kind of heavy set and people make crude remarks about her being so fat she's able to qualify for disabled parking! She's not obese mind you, just a little heavy.
People are just rude and judgmental, even the ones you have to deal with to get your benefits.
I was reading an article about senior citizens not taking advantage of the "benefits" their state agencies provided. The person writing the article obviously didn't know that the average retired person cannot live on their Social Security and must find some kind of income from somewhere, but if you sign up for food stamps a single person qualifies for $30 a month, and if you earn any money at all they deduct .99 on the dollar from your "benefits". It's just not worth the hassle. So you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. Keep on writing. You do good work. I'm sorry you can no longer work at photography.
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
25 Nov 08
Yes a lot of people on retirement benefits often discover they have to continue working since their benefits are low. I have one friend, a woman down the block who is 76 and still works part time just to supplement her benefits, but she has to be careful not to go over too much otherwise her benefits would be cut.
@MeowCa9 (5)
• United States
23 Nov 08
there will always be those who look down on others no matter what the circumstance is.I once worked for a very wealthy lady who was also a good friend who would comment every time she saw a homeless person holding a sign,"Get a damn job!"
She felt they could work if they wanted too.I know that this is not the case in many circumstances.Most people on disability have to go through a rigorous process to qualify.It is not at all easy.I tried myself for 3 years and despite my doctor's recommendation and even the judge saying my case was severe,I was denied.So,now I work as best I can from home as I suffer from borderline personality disorder and severe social anxiety.I have gotten better with my depression and panic disorder since I no longer try to work outside of my home.
There will always be those who do not believe mental illness qualifies as disability.To those people I say,You have never lived wth it and have never known anyone who has had a severe case.My father was a paranoid schizophrenic who was also a state fire marshall and he could NOT handle the pressures and WE paid the price severely!!Anyone who has something negative to say about this subject is ill informed to do so in every case.Each case is handled on its own merit.I am glad that people who are on disability for whatever reason can get it.If there are those who don't deserve it and they get it,They will have to answer for that in time.Besides,you have paid in your own disability money by paying social security all of these years.
To anyone with a problem with you getting disability,I say get a life and mind your own frickin business!It's not coming out of your pocket and you don't have to live with the illness!Judge not than ye be not judged!
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
25 Nov 08
Gee how negative and heartless of that wealthy woman. Why don't you try for disability again? It seems to be the usual standard that they turn down everyone at first try for disability benefits no matter what "evidence" one might have to support their need for it...one has to keep plugging away at it and be a bit stubborn. SSA kind of hopes people will get discouraged enough to not try again if they turn you down first time round..
LOL..don't mind you butting in dreamweaverjan
@dreamweaverjan (3471)
• United States
23 Nov 08
Hi there MEOW!!! WELCOME BACK !! GOOD TO SEE YOU!!![i][/i][u][/u]
Yeah " DITTO" for sure!
I'm so glad to see you stop by here, if you are still online go take a look
at my Christmas Tree its on my profile page;
Sorry {{Pye}} I got so excited to see "B" here! LOL! I had to butt in on the
conversation here...
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@ginnypetree (267)
• United States
23 Nov 08
People always judge as cruel as it sometimes is....
I know people that are disabled and they are on assistance and it helps out a little. I agree with you 100%.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
25 Nov 08
Yes people I guess think those on disability benefits are getting a lot of money when the truth is, it just barely covers living expenses
@suzzy3 (8341)
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22 Nov 08
Some people are just daft,walk away and ignore them ,if it is genuine then you are fully entitled to get your benefits,the trouble is so many others cheat the system,and people like you get the stick so as to speak.It might be worth buying a walking stick so others give you some peace.Or ask them for their medical papers as they appear to know more than the doctors and experts.
@morningstar369 (495)
• United States
24 Nov 08
Oh Boy do we have this in common. I was dsabled in 1995 and continued to work at my craft business. The Doctors told me with one wrong move I would be in a wheel chair for the resr of my life. I had at that time 1 disk missing in my lower back. My last x-ray showed the 2nd disk on it's way out. The injury in 2003 almost cost me my legs, (40% permanent disability) this also took me out of work for 7 months. To make a long story short, being self employed I had to refinance my home to keep going. It turned out to be a yearly event. In 2005 I litterly got ripped off on the law suite and had to refinance once again, this one put me in trouble. In 2006 I decided to refinance to save the house and sell it. The market had slowed a bit, but I tell you thew day I signed the papers the market stopped. Then I got ripped off in 2007 in January by an unscrupousless person and defaulted on everything. I held out a year and 2 months am now homeless. Looking for a home for me and my cats and my dog in Northern Calif. near the Redwoods. This has been my dream for ever. So now I limp a little especially when I am really tired, other than that I do not look like I am disabled. Sometimes the pain is so bad I have to sit or fall down. I still hear you don't look disabled. I have to quite setting up and tearing down my craft booth, it takes me most of the week to recover and I have some help packing it up on Sunday night. I keep trying to make a little to keep me going while they mess with me over and over again with the benefits. Because I am staying with a friend and not paying ent they think I have food included. So I have to fight that. I will be going to sign up for food stamps this week. I finally have health care again so now I can get my teeth fixed. No there is nothing but part of our necessities that we can afford. I am going to have to fight to recieve the lowest amount of the poverty level SSI. I qualified last year for Disability but not this year. I took a loss the year I was injured and again in 07, which was one of the worse years for my business in 20 years. So I do not qualify even though I have a serious disability. Even the Social Securioity Dr. told me to be Very, Very Careful. With 2 disks missing this is a time bomb waiting to go off. Still they are forceing me to work until they make some sort of final decision. The system in antiquated to say the least. Upside down, makes no sense and is stupid to boot. It is all we have though and for sure I am good with getting some help before I end up wheel chair bound. Blessed Be, Christine
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
26 Nov 08
You make crafts as well? So do I, but haven't been as active making them either since I now spend a lot of time writing articles for websites which helps bring in a little extra money. Goodness though you've been through the ringer with all your problems. Why didn't you qualify for Disability this year if you were only the year before. I really wonder about the rules and regulations of disability to begin with...it seems they are using cost of living guidelines that may have been suitable fifty years ago.
@Paula1966 (1102)
• United States
24 Nov 08
It sounds like you are using the money exactly as it is intended to be used. Wait, you haven't used to for any corporate retreats, spa days, or want to use it to finance your corporate jets, right? :)
It is great to see all the support on here for the people who truly do deserve the benefits.
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
25 Nov 08
LOL--nope having been using my benefits for my $20,000 a plane trip on a corporate jet..heehee. Yikes my benefits are less than half of that a whole year!
@nangel78 (1454)
• United States
22 Nov 08
I agree with you. Many do not ask to become disabled. It is an unfair assessment to make. I was on short term disability earlier this year for a surgery due to cancer and I needed that income to recover. My stepmother is on disability as well. She would have loved to keep working, but has not been able to for a long time. Heck I would rather these folks get the assistance they need than end up homeless in the long run. Sometimes jobs do not pay enough these days either so it can get frustrating at times.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
25 Nov 08
Yes in today's economy jobs often don't pay well and a lot of people are resorting to working two jobs now..Then look at all the downsizing of jobs, people are losing their jobs left and right
@scarlet_woman (23463)
• United States
22 Nov 08
i think in a way pye,some of it's jealousy.
they won't say as much,but from what i've observed local is first they make a snide comment about the person,then they say "i wish i could..(fill in the blank)".
my mom's own relatives give her crap.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
22 Nov 08
Yes it could be jealousy...like this one jerk neighbor of mine who probably thinks I'm living high on the hog and questions my disability. I think a lot of it has to do with the more positive attitude I've basically have had all my life and maybe I give out vibes of being "rich" even if in reality at the time I might only have two nickels to rub together
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@gemini_rose (16264)
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22 Nov 08
I know exactly where you are coming from and it used to make me cross too and the best thing is the people like me (when I needed to claim benefits) and people like you that really do need help get the lower end of help while people who are not really in need of it get thousands. I have never claimed disability although with recent problems I have had for the past year I do think I should be getting some help but that is a different story. When I was a single parent many years ago now I tried to work but often it cost me more to hold a full time job down than it would to be on benefits, how does that make sense? But it was true, I simply could not afford to work and everytime I did would end up in debt so I would have to give up just so I could survive with my son and the grief I used to get for claiming, one neighbour came round to my house once and said I was a disgrace getting all these benefits for nothing! When I met my hubby we had been together a while and had just had our first child together and he was laid off from his job we needed to claim benefits to help us and they put us on hardship allowance which was nothing and the woman in there used to look down her nose at us everytime we went in for the giro, how my hubby kept his hands off her I will never know because she looked at us like we were dirt, and yet we did not want to have to claim and it is not like we could live like we were rich. I think that people do have an attitude to those who claim and it is because of people that scam the system, and lets face it there are a lot of them. I know a lot of them that live where I live and they rake it in and of course that gives a bad reputation for the good people of the world that really do need the money and only get the barest amount to live on. It sucks.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
24 Nov 08
Yes it's unfortunate that a lot of people do scam the system, which is why now it's so much harder to try and get benefits at least here in our country..some people have to wait years and years for benefits..And yes, I just hate the attitude that people have against anyone who does get benefits that were dirt or below human standards..it's downright humiliating. I understand where you're coming from that it can be more expensive to work. I really do hope to become real self-sufficient though with my on-line business plans so I can get off of them..but I would have to be real sure that I could get a regular monthly income and the same average a month...
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@sirrob (4108)
• Philippines
22 Nov 08
Only a few would ever understand your point and your feelings until they become one. I've been into some sort of work that it is so hard to let people understand the nature of our work until such time we do service to them and most often we don't want like and want it to happen that way. But sometimes people are stubborn and won't believe until they are one of you or able to experience it already. Sad but most of the time, it is true and holds truth.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
22 Nov 08
How true..people just don't understand the situation of what people go through with any kind of disabilities until it happens to them
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@tamarafireheart (15384)
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22 Nov 08
Hi pye,
Yes, that was a good rant, and I agree with you, I am a disable person on benefit also, I used to have three jobs in one go until I startec surffering with my joints and my asthama got worse, my doctor give one look at me and sent me of to ge my benefit, it took a long while but I got there in the end. I have missed working, but I couldn't go the way I was, and now I do get remarks saying there was nothing wrong with me, how do they know, are they doctors? with the benefits I am able to keep my head afloat, and I have not been on vaction for a long time, they seem to see that. Making ends meet is my name. Bright Blessings.
Tamara
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
22 Nov 08
Yes people are so fast to judge us if we don't "look" disabled. My grandmother had very debilitating asthma as well so I know how it can affect a person
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