Why, why, why???
By genie82
@genie82 (65)
Philippines
December 1, 2008 7:12am CST
Why there are athiests who denies the existence of God the Father, the creator of heavens and Earth? Isn't there existence in this world not enough for them to see that a powerful and a living God created them? God created human for a reason which is for the human to abide the laws that he set for us. And there are more reasons for us to believe in His existence. So, why, what is their reason why they deny the existence of God?
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33 responses
@Galena (9110)
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1 Dec 08
that's the same as asking why you don't believe in my Gods.
you exist, don't you, so surely that's proof that my Gods are real.
do you see? you can't use existance as proof of any deity over another, because it's just as much proof of my Gods as it is of yours.
and for those that don't believe in any Gods, I've no problem with that.
I have a personal relationship with the Gods, and if someone hasn't then I don't expect my PERSONAL experience of the divine to be proof enough for anyone other than me.
if they haven't experienced the same things as me then why would they believe the same things as me.
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@craftcatcher (3699)
• United States
1 Dec 08
Are you targeting only atheists or anyone in general who does not believe in a Christian god? I am not an atheist but I also don't believe in a separate creator god.
I could ask the exact opposite of your questions with equal enthusiasm and conviction since your beliefs make absolutely no sense to me. I would never do that because I know that each human being must find their own way through life and no two people need the exact same thing. I am also not arrogant enough to think that my beliefs are the only one right way for everyone else.
It would be a waste of time to try to answer your questions. It is obvious you have your mind firmly set to intolerance of any beliefs other than your own.
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@craftcatcher (3699)
• United States
2 Dec 08
As I already said I am not an atheist but you are free to believe and see things the way you wish. How very Christian of you to call me names when you know nothing about me. I'm sure your god is very proud of you. You are a shining representation of your religion.
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@Ravenladyj (22902)
• United States
1 Dec 08
first off its not just athiests who dont believe in the Christian God...I'm NOT an Atheist and I dont believe in God...Secondly, for as many reasons as you can come up with to believe in god there are just as many for those of us to NOT believe..
I guess my big question is..why do you care? I mean what does it REALLY matter to you (or any believer) and what bearing does our NOT believing have on your life??
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@Ravenladyj (22902)
• United States
1 Dec 08
it's just that it just popped up in my mind that why there are non-believer to God
I hear ya...guess the simpliest reason is that there are both believers and non-believers becuase thats what works for each person individually ya know..Believing in God is completely pointless in my life..it would serve no purpose (been there) ya know..
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@Makro74 (591)
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2 Dec 08
I agree, why should anyone care? I mean, why should I care for a friend who has bumped his head, or somebody is injured and I have a car to take him to hospital. Why should I care, its not my problem. But I think its called humanity, the humanity that offers an olive branch but nothing more.
What I can never understand though, is why do 'Atheists', oops sorry, non-believers in God, really get wound up if someone asks a perfectly good debatable question on the beleif in God. I mean, it must have touched a nerve especially when the emphasis in the response is backed up with capital letters.
Moreover, if we get into this many reasons to believe or not to believe argument, we are already shunning ourselves out of the discussion, and it all gets a bit childish. If one does not believe, that is a natural pregotative, and if one cannot see what beleivers can see, then a parallel world is apparent and only when we die will we see which side of the fence we should have been on.
Cheers
Makro
@livewyre (2450)
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1 Dec 08
It is an eternal problem that God can neither be proven or dis-proven which is why we come to belief through faith. There MUST be doubt in order for there to be some value in faith. If we are to make a choice we have to start from a stance of unbelief, sadly only a proportion of people will find faith.
We should therefore respect everyone's view when it comes to God because we have all started from the same point and pursuing the same truth. Along the way, we have none of us found the 'perfect' truth because we have our own 'take' on God which is influenced by how we came to find faith in the first place (this is why there are so many denominations). Even though you no doubt believe as I do, that there is only one truth, you should always respect others' views.
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@munhozmib (3836)
• Sao Paulo, Brazil
1 Dec 08
Hello, genie82
Do not forget that your religious beliefs are different from others. As you study, you will see the world from a different point of view. Why do you say that God exists?
1. Can you SEE God?
Answer me. Can you? Can you see the GOD you talk about whenever you want? Have you ever seen this supreme being? Post a picture, I'd like to see Him too.
2. When you pray, does a voice talks to you?
When you are praying, is there any voice that answers you? The voice of God, answering immediately?
3. Have you ever noticed how the actions of God are also seem as luck?
Yes, people say that GOD helped them. Sometimes, it can also be clearly called as LUCK.
4. Dinosaurs existed. Humans exists. Not at the same time.
Fossils shows that dinosaurs existed. However, the human being didn't habit the Earth in the same time than Dinosaurs. How come humans were the first being if Dinosaurs couldn't live when humans were here?
5. God exists?
I do believe in a God. However, there is no way to prove. You cannot prove either. Therefore, nobody will believe you. Nobody has any reason to believe that God exist, because nobody can prove it.
Respectfully,
Munhozmib.
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@genie82 (65)
• Philippines
2 Dec 08
to answer some of your questions...
God is a spiritual being, and we can't see a being in it's spiritual state. BUT, (a big BUT), i can tell you that i can see His face. through His words of wisdom. through His Commandments, His teachings stated on the Bible. Through His children abiding His laws. the characteristics of God can be seen through His children. He is a loving God, generous, patient, honest are some of these characteristics. when His children is like this, we can see Him. because He made human in His likeness. But im not telling that the wrong doings of human is also from God because all good things are from Him. i cant hear His voice, but we can experience His answers through the people that surrounds us, through our everyday experiences...(hew...so much to explain here)But i think, to answer much of your questions very clearly, im gladly to invite you to visit this site, http://esoriano.wordpress.com, for more of your questions to be answered clearly...
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@livewyre (2450)
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2 Dec 08
I agree that the existence of God can neither be proven or dis-proven, but if I may make one point about your response. The book of Genesis says that man was the LAST thing God made, and he was made AFTER all the creatures, which does not contradict the existence of dinosaurs.
I think the rest of your response were points well made..
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@munhozmib (3836)
• Sao Paulo, Brazil
2 Dec 08
Yes, but when I learned about the Bible, it said that humans were made right after the creation of Earth. I mean, there wasn't million of years, then the Dinosaurs, and then God came and made the human being. It was made with the other species, in a fresh new world.
@cupkitties (7421)
• United States
1 Dec 08
They usually go by science. Who made God? Thats an interesting question. I always get "He always was" Well what is always was and who made them?
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@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
2 Dec 08
Well, in order for there to be everything, you had to start with something.. cause nothing can not make up everything.. Most folks too don't realize that the description of "science" is "repeatable observable data". So I turn off the talking heads and look/observe around me, which is to say I don't fully agree with any belief/theory out there!
@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
1 Dec 08
I think people want to be in control of their lives and the idea that an unseen other is really in control of things is unsettling. There is plenty of science around to dispute the existence of God and it is easy for some people to embrace what can be seen, touched and understood with the mind.
@Monkeyrose (2840)
• Canada
2 Dec 08
because they just dont. There is actually a lot more proof for no god than there is for a god.
btw I am not atheist.
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@ThePaintGuru (541)
• United States
1 Dec 08
Why do people start discussions like this... WHY? Oh yeah, it's because they tend to get a lot of responses and we get PAID per response. Anyway I'll take a stab at this. First off, there are a LOT of religions out there, so why do people think theirs is right? For that matter, how do you know there is only one God? There could be many "powerful and living" Gods who created the earth, it would certainly make sense for them to share the responsibility. How is being an atheist and not believing in God any different from believing in a different God than yours?
Another thing I'd be interested to know is what are the "laws that he has set out for us"? If we're going by the bible here, and it's a notoriously convoluted document, why does it contradict itself so much? You'd think God could get at least writing his own book right if he wanted us to follow it, otherwise it just seems like he's messing with us and doesn't give a damn about the rules anyway.
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@6precious102 (4043)
• United States
2 Dec 08
Since I'm a believer in God, I can't speak for the atheist. What follows is my opinion of why some don't believe in God. I think some don't want God is exist because they think if He does, they'll have to pay for their bad behavior and will have to change the way they act. They don't want any eternal consequences for their actions. I think some people who say they're atheist aren't really. For some reason, they're angry with God and have turned their back on Him. Then there are the "scientist" who are eager to accept theories like evolution, which has never been proven, but can't seem to accept the theory of intelligent design. Maybe scientist need something they can put their hands on before they'll accept it. I don't know. Anyway, that's my opinion - for what it's worth.
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@ladynetz (968)
• Canada
1 Dec 08
Whwn I was I child, I grew up in a communist country - they teach you in school that only the science exist, and everything has an answer through it, even though it might take some time to prove it.
My grandmothers were religious and I inclined to go with them.
Later on, in life, you see things , you hear and you understand that there is a bigger force than everything ou know, and you believe.
But, don't be upset on those who don't believe - everyone needs his own time to realise the thruth, and nothing that you do or say will change their mind.Just the time and their own experiences.
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@kuzzon1960 (118)
• United States
1 Dec 08
people deny GOD because it is hard for them to understand that there could be something that exists that is that loving and forgiving. even when they look at the sky and see the beauty in the surrounding country and the things that HE has made for us.it is instilled by thier parents at a young age. they have been denied the true glory of our LORD. but by stating that they do not believe, they are under no pressure to do anything other than exist themselves.it is very sad, because they will be the ones left behind . just like the people that would not go with Noah when he warned them of the danger. so too will the ones that do not acknowledge HIM.
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@chaolai (162)
• Philippines
2 Dec 08
what about you do you believe on him? do you believe that there was another world wating for us after the judgement? do you believe on the bible? i dont think so coz it was also made by human. i only belive that there was a power beyond excitence. happy mylotting!
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@rikderili (1)
• Netherlands
1 Dec 08
I don't believe in god. I'm more like a science type :)
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@jb_vete (323)
• Philippines
2 Dec 08
Hi genie! I rate your discussion the highest. Just like you, i cannot understand why they deny the existence of God. I cannot imagine it to be true. I can't even consider it. Maybe those people who refuse to believe that there is no God is because of their experiences.
@jdyrj777 (6528)
• United States
4 Dec 08
They are either ignorant or stubborn. Ignorant of what we know or stubborn in their selfish behaviour. If you try to tell them about the creator and they do not listen they are stubborn. They choose to do wrong things. There is nothing more you can do.
@Galena (9110)
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5 Dec 08
I am sure you must seem equally ignorant, as you do not believe what they believe to be the truth, and stubbornly refuse to agree with them.
why are people so keen to paint atheists with bad character traits?
they aren't being ignorant in believing what they feel is the truth, any more than you are for believing in your God, or I am for believing in my Gods. it's just different interpretations of the truth in an unprovable situation. a bit like us all thinking that a different band is the best one.
and they aren't being stubborn by refusing to convert to your beliefs. are you being stubborn if I tell you that my Gods are real, the true Gods, and you must believe in them, and you don't agree with me? is that stubborn? no. it's a different belief, not stubborn-ness.
to call someone ignorant and stubborn for not following your religion shows a real lack of respect on your part.
@jdyrj777 (6528)
• United States
6 Dec 08
The orginal question:
"Why there are athiest who denies the exsitence of God the Father, the Creator of the heavens and earth?"
Ignorant means they do not know.
Stubborn means they persist in being ignorant. They do not want to know. They love the way they are so they choose to stay that way. Unbelieveing and Athiest.
No specific religion is mentioned.
Just believers and athiest.
Please do not be so defensive. Understand the definitions of words.
Im only answering the question with what my point of view is.
@bellamommy (192)
• United States
2 Dec 08
Because he's not real! At least to me he's not. I belive in science. But why does it bother you that not everyone has the same beliefs as you? Why can't you let it be and just live your life?
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@platinumgold (135)
• Philippines
2 Dec 08
They always use the science as their basis of believing.
They always believed that this world was formed by the big bang as they called it not by the hands of God.
Because maybe they found some inconsistent of claims of different tradition of the popular religion back from paganism.
They don,t even think who really created the all the things in heaven and earth. They always trying to look an answer to the science.
@craftcatcher (3699)
• United States
2 Dec 08
Call people names then pray for them. Yep sounds very Christian to me.
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