Buying 'free-range' and 'organic' poultry and dairy products...
By marina321
@marina321 (4556)
December 10, 2008 10:31am CST
I was in the supermarket the other day and went into the 'eggs' section, as you do...
As prices of all goods incl food have gone up nowadays, I paid specific attention to the prices of the ranges available, Medium, large, free range, organic, 'Value' range, 10,12,24..again as you do
The Free-range eggs were around £2.99 for 10 and the value range was about £1.19 for 16. Of course trying to cut down on costs where I can, I picked the Value range at the lowest price.
As much as I'd want to care whether the product came from a 'happy' chicken or animal, I have got to be kind to my pocket in these 'credit crunch' times and save where I can. I normally buy what costs least even being mindful of the quality or known brands.
Now, do people buy poultry and dairy products? Do you check whether they are free-range or organic products?
How many people would still buy free range poultry and dairy products no matter what the price is? Are you against products that are not free range? What are your reasons?
Others, what's your opinion on these products? Should these products cost more or less because they are free range or organic and why?
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11 responses
@kun2349 (23381)
• Singapore
10 Dec 08
I'm still spending the same amount on the same things just like b4.. Though i'm also facing credit crunch like u, but i believe in spending more to boost the economic.. IF everybody is cutting back on spending, the world's economy is gonna take a long time b4 it recovers.. Even the government is doing bailout for companies just because they wanna revive the world's economy crisis..
Thus, all the more, i will spend as much, as the lesser we spend, the gloomy the world economy will be..
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@marina321 (4556)
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10 Dec 08
Are you serious kun2349? I suppose I should say happy spending to you...
I am hanging on to my pennies and I'd rather put it in my daughter's savings account I do not think me spending will spend the world's problems...
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@moonbeam94 (387)
• Australia
10 Dec 08
could some-one please explain how spending money helps to save an economey,besides if one has no money how can we spend.
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@kun2349 (23381)
• Singapore
11 Dec 08
If we dun spend, we are not able to create a smooth money flow in the world. ANd once there isn't much money to go around, there wont be a demand for things anymore. Export and sales are affected, rents and loans will be unpaid, bankrupts will soon be appearing everywhere..
So by spending, all this problem will be solved, and once their turnover is faster, the world's economy will improve as well..
Just like World war 2, those banana notes from japan, due to money shortage, and they keep printing new ones, till all the money became worthless.. THat's now, the governments are bailing out most of the companies and encouraging them to spend..
@nanajanet (4436)
• United States
10 Dec 08
Free range chickens are not about being more happy it is more about what they ingest that, long-term, affects our health. Farm raised chickens are fed mostly corn and that is not good for our health.
Animals that roam and eat natural foods help to protect our health. If you read up on it, in many articles, you will see the reason why. I prefer free-range chickens and grass-fed cows to those who are corn-fed. Paying more for food is a lot cheaper than paying for a doctor, medicines, surgeries and hospitals.
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@marina321 (4556)
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10 Dec 08
Cheers for your input nanajanet I think you will find that many people have been eating these products for years and nothing happened to them.i'e medicines, surgery etc
Also here, we have been sold more the fact about battery-caged chickens etc living a poor life as one of the reasons...
I think the costs of producing these organic and free-range products could be considerably lower like I am thinking a free-range chicken or animal roams about etc..
Maybe coz I am not a farmer, I may be missing the underlying costs that make these products much more expensive...
Surely if they're better for us, the supermarkets should be looking at lowering the costs?
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@nanajanet (4436)
• United States
10 Dec 08
I guess you have not read much on how much corn is not so good for us. First of all, free-range birds have higher protein content and less fat.
What do you feed an animal to make them fat? Corn and grains. Contrary to common belief, corn is a grain, not a vegetable, and is definitely not fit as a dietary staple and mainstay, primarily because it contains high amounts of sugar. When early Native Americans changed their diet to one based mostly on corn, they had increased rates of Anemia, dental cavities, Osteoarthritis, bone infections and other bone problems.
Feeding animals corn removes much of the good nutrition and lean meat that is good for us. Corn is not natural for them to eat. Before they were farmed to such massive amounts, they ate what was out there in the wild and God provided what they needed.
There is a lot of information out there. Corn has NO nutritional value, causes many health problems, and is cheap. Well, why not use cheap to feed animals, right? That is why corn fed is cheaper than free range. Also, there are other issues with corn that I just do not have the time to look into but the information is out there.
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@kenzie45230 (3560)
• United States
10 Dec 08
For me, the problem with what we're eating isn't just that it's more politically correct and humane to eat animals who have not been caged and tortured, it's healthier and tastier. The hormones and anitbiotics that they stuff down poultry and animals cannot be good for us.
I bought some beef at the store about 6 months ago that boasted that the cattle had not been given hormones or anitbiotics and it was free range. The cost was about 3 times what one would normally pay for a package of ground beef. But let me tell you...it was a gazillion times better tasting than any beef I've had in 25 years!!! It was awesome.
I don't know about in the UK, but here in the US we eat far more than we should. Perhaps if we ate the serving sizes we were supposed to, we could afford to eat these more healthy and better tasting foods.
And...if more people insisted on them, perhaps the others would go away?
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@marina321 (4556)
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11 Dec 08
I have heard about the huge US portions... It is a good reasoning you gave there. If the healthier foods were more reasonably priced, more would try them..than think well the other one is cheaper
@angela38 (122)
• United States
10 Dec 08
If you ask me it does not matter what you eat or do not eat that will make you healthy or not but it is the amounts of food we consue that is the defining factors here but I think when they adverties about these so called healthyer foods it is just the product pushers just trying to make a big pay check on what ever is going for the bigger high dollor for that week or month. But it is just my thinking and feelings.
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
10 Dec 08
you know, it seems to me the free range should be cheaper as i understand its cheaper to maintain them. so, just like a lot of other things i dont understand people. i still buy whats cheaper even tho i dont like the way these hens are kept and not cared for. i have to buy cheap
@marina321 (4556)
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10 Dec 08
Same here....wonder why it is not cheaper if these animals are indeed free range?
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@tamarafireheart (15384)
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10 Dec 08
Hi marina321,
I awlays buy free range eggs but really it should be cheaper then value eggs, that I don't understand. I let my hubby go shopping and he makes sure I get free range eggs, I find they tase better.
Tamara
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@marina321 (4556)
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10 Dec 08
I think free range should be cheaper too You live in the Uk and I suppose you may have watched about Jamie Oliver's and the River Cottage guy documentaries about these 'happy' chickens?
I want the chickens to be 'happy' too and run around all day and get plenty of exercise but will you please lower your prices on these products so everyone can enjoy them and their benefits?!:)
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@Fleura (30352)
• United Kingdom
3 Oct 15
@marina321 Basically if you can't squeeze as many animals into the space the costs go up, you can't get around that, try keeping chickens yourself and you will see!
@Humbug25 (12540)
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10 Dec 08
Hello marina321
Well I would love to buy all my meats, vegetables and fruits organically but they are just way too expensive. They say that the more you buy them and others to buy them the prices will eventually come down and yet in the meantime I am out of pocket!! I do always buy free range eggs from our local market though because they are only £1.40 for a dozen so I am happy with that. I try not to buy the value or economy (rock bottom) chickens and go for the next one up though I don't think they are free range but they have got to be slightly better than the cheapest - haven't they?
@marina321 (4556)
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10 Dec 08
I think unless they removed all other options from the shelves, then more people would buy the more expensive products...
Starting to think it is not ethical actually as most people will buy products according to what they can afford and if we are saying other products are not healthy for us and yet they are still on the shelves and those with more money can buy the healthier products
@oldboy46 (2129)
• Australia
11 Dec 08
My partner and I have a small organic farmlet where we grow fruit and vegetables plus we also have some laying hens. Yes we have a few hens for meat but they are for our own consumption only whereas the rest of our produce is for sale as well as what we use ourselves.
Organic produce is more expensive than the mass produced food certainly. However there are reasons why this is the case.
For a start we have to be registered as growers of organic products and that costs a bit of money. To be registered, the soil has to be tested and samples are taken from several different areas on the farm. Once the tests come back okay then the farm is "organic in conversion" for 3 years and each year we have to have soil tests which are clear or any herbicides, pesticides or chemicals. If the farm these clear for those years, then the farmers can say they are "organic producers" for as long as the soil tests are clear.
The farmer has to pay for these tests to be done every year. At the present time, in total it would costs us about $2500 every year to have our farm registered and the soil tests to be done. Also the organic growers association inspects the entire property, including all sheds to ensure that nothing "illegal" is kept there. If, for example, we had some chemical or even a weed killer in one of the sheds, we would immediately lose the organic certification.
The seeds that we buy are much more expensive to buy. We cannot just go down to the local Garden Nursery and buy some tomato seeds for example as they are not organic although they cost less than half what we pay.
When the fruit and vegetables are growing, the weeds also come up with the plants but they have to be removed by hand and not sprayed as non-organic farmers can do to get rid of them. For us it means we have to walk down each row with a hoe and remove the weeds, often spending hours bending over to ensure that the entire weed, including the roots, are removed. Then we have to move all the weeds from the rows and in fact put them in an area so they can be remved from the farm.
It is a back breaking job and a constant one as well. We plant 4 acres of vegetables over several months plus have the fruit trees as well. We would spend more than 6 months of the year weeding and itis almost non-stop during the growing period. My partner would put in 8 hours a day 6 days a week just weeding and I put in about 12 hours a day 2 days a week plus depending on my other work, I could do it for another 12 hours over a few days. In addition we regularly have to employ people to help keep the weeds under control.
The farmer does not make a lot of money from the sale of his produce and is also at the mercy of the elements. Example is that this year we got 2 very hot days just a the seedlings were coming through, and at a time when the weather is not normally extremely hot. The seedlings wilted and rather than take a risk, we had to replant more seeds to ensure we have a crop this year.
The consumer wants "perfect" fruit and vegetables so we cannot send to market anything that is odd shaped. The product itself would be perfectly good but we have to supply what the market demands. When we pack our vegetables, they have to be packed in such a way that they are not bruised or marked during transportation to market.
All the fruit and vegetables has to be hand picked. Again time consuming and we need to employ additional labour to help us and also to ensure it is off as soon as it is ready. Leaving ripe produce unpicked means it cannot be sold as by the following day, it will be overripe.
Remember we are only a small enterprise and so our costs are nowhere as high as say a farmer who had 50 acres of organic crops.
So whilst it might seem to be more expensive, organic produce is not cheap to produce and it is also labour intensive. Much of the crops do not actually make it to market because of the customer demands which in fact means the yield is down on what would be expected. No, we do not throw out the produce which is not a perfect shape but instead either use it ourselves some way or donate it to the local nursing home.
@oldboy46 (2129)
• Australia
15 Dec 08
Well I just had to put in my ten cents worth marina on what happens and how organic farmers work. Unfortunately there are a lot of people who will tell us that all organic fruit and vegetables are too expensive. The implication is that we are the ones who set the high prices, solely because many people acknowledge that organically grown gruit and vegetables are better for us. The fact is that like all agricultural producers we are "price takers" and not "price setters" which means that we only get what the market will pay.
If only we did make a fortune but we don't, which is why I still have a job truck driving so we can pay our farm off. When the time comes that we do not have a mortgage, we will make no more off the farm but will not have the burden of paying money every month to the bank.
@mykmari_08 (2464)
• Philippines
11 Dec 08
Foremost, I must admit that I'm quite new with the 'free-range' word because this isn't locally used. Call it stupidity, but I just want to be honest.
But based on experience, I don't choose whether the products belong to a specific brand or producer; just as long as they're reasonably priced and not harmful to health. If given four or five choices among similar products differing in price ranges; I usually pick the cheapest, just like you did. My spouse, on the other hand, is a speedy buyer of goods. He tends to pick the first or second product he sees in the grocery or market without consulting other similar products which are less expensive.
I guess everyone has his or her own choices but with the global economic crisis looming over our horizon at the moment, I personally am searching for feasible ways to cut costs and eventually save. We really need this now, because I'm afraid that I might be displaced from my current job by next year. The company I'm working with for the past four years is in the process of dissolution. In fact, the first batch of employees of about 20 people have been retrenched last September of this year.
I couldn't possibly let this happen without taking steps to at least have savings for me and my own family, until I could find another job. My spouse has a daytime job but it's also a stable one. Aside from this, our daughter is about to start schooling by next year and we're planning on relocating to the province because cost of living is much cheaper over there; not to mention that the air is fresher.
Happy holidays!
@marina321 (4556)
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11 Dec 08
Cheers for sharing.. I normally go for cheaper too and products I am used to
@onlydia (2808)
• United States
11 Dec 08
Well, you know the organic costs more as the up keep is less. But you also get less as well. I get the eggs that are cheaper and bleached when they try for they hey these eggare oganic just because there brown not. As more of your eggs are white anyway. Can you tell I grew up on a farm for part of my life and have farmers still in the family. I really don't like organic beef. Please give mine a shot or two. I had some last year and I remembered why I only ate hammberger. I didn't like it. Now see more people would be veg. if they had to taste what it all was all about from the begining. slauther the chickens. Or as my great grandma said come on girls time to behead the chickens. I don't eat alot of meat. Your friend onlydia. sorry got a little off base there. Have a good day
@savypat (20216)
• United States
10 Dec 08
I know what you mean about prices. I also know what animals including chickens are fed if they are kept caged, but the best is organic, these have had no hormones
or medications, which can be passed on to the eggs and certainly the meat. When I can afford it that is what I buy.
@marina321 (4556)
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10 Dec 08
I suppose I need to see more proof that people who have eaten this food for years have had side effects from it... If they are, then the government definitely needs to do a lot more about this.
I still see no justification for the high prices of these products
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@Fleura (30352)
• United Kingdom
3 Oct 15
I always buy free range eggs, I just sort of promised myself I would and the price is not that different. Around here some people also sell their own home-produced eggs and they are cheaper. I try to buy meat from animals raised in good conditions where possible but it isn't always available, but if there is a choice between, for example, UK-produced bacon and imported bacon I will choose the UK stuff because animal welfare standards are higher (and I want to support UK farmers). One can't complain about the conditions under which farm animals are kept and then refuse to pay for the better conditions. I also often (when available) buy organic milk, not because organic food is any better but because under this system the cows cannot be continually pumped full of hormones and so get a bit of a rest and a better life.