Increasing number of gay people.
By laydee
@laydee (12798)
Philippines
December 11, 2008 6:57pm CST
First of all, I am in no way intentionally trying to insult people who are gay. In fact I have lots of gay friends.
But, have you guys ever noticed that there's an alarmingly increasing number of gay people now-a-days? Out of 10guys I see around, I see almost more than half who are gay. It was even funny one time, I was taking a walk in the park and saw a man and a woman walking towards me, normal intuition tells me that the man was courting the woman (because they weren't holding hands but were close), upon passing me, I quickly laughed at myself because it wasn't actually a man courting a girl, it was two good friends.
At one of our conversations with my dad, I actually inquired about this and upon analyzing things, my dad told me that fathers (who are his friends) don't really give much responsibility nor obligation to their gay sons. I mean, they're not expecting them to become somebody someday, and unlike the men who are mostly entrusted with heavy expectations, the gays weren't given much expectation. So, we therefore partially concluded, that maybe men do become gay because they feared the stress of expectations from their family (not that I am saying gay people aren't responsible enough) but that's how I see it, that men prefer to be gay to get out of the expectation of parents.
What do you think?
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17 responses
@cobrateacher (8432)
• United States
12 Dec 08
Maybe it's just that more and more people are becoming comfortable enough with themselves that they're coming out publicly. Since I'm an English teacher, I read several research papers every year about homosexuality, and it's become quite clear that people don't choose to be gay; they're born gay. Why would anyone choose to be picked on and depressed and in danger of gay bashing?
A friend told me the other day that she's quite sure her eldest grandson is gay, and he's just 3. She said his mannerisms are clearly going in that direction. Fortunately, she doesn't have a problem with it. Neither do his parents. And he gets so much attention from both parents, it's ridiculous. They decided to work oppositee shifts so they could be home with the kids all the time, and they're really excellent parents.
A lot of wonderful people are gay. So what? I don't share my most personal times with others, and gay people shouldn't, either.
A lot of people have a lot of misinformation about homosexuality.
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@laydee (12798)
• Philippines
12 Dec 08
Thank you cobrateacher for having the decency to go through the pains of enlightening me about this type of information. Indeed perceptions of what's 'different' hasn't been cleared most of the times because people would go flaring up at the sight of topics such as these instead of sitting down and calmly explaining things like you did.
I truly appreciate your efforts.
Thank you and happy mylotting!
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
12 Dec 08
your father and you are very wrong. First of all gay people do not have a choice in being gay. They are born that way...it has been proven. Why would one "choose" to be gay in order to get out of responsibility and suffer all the stigma society places on them? That just does not make a bit of sense at all. They could just be a pot-smoking, tree-hugging little hippie and be cooler at least in ducking responsibility and still get the girl! The reason you are noticing more gay people is because they are all fed up with being treated less that human and coming out from their little hiding spots and standing up for their rights and it is about time! I have gay friends also and many of them are very valuable and contributing members of the community. Some are not...but that can be said of hetrosexuals as well. I don't think you or your dad are very deep thinkers.
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@laydee (12798)
• Philippines
12 Dec 08
You know what, you clearly have good thoughts in there, the problem is that you can't stop cursing people because of what they know and believe in. Would I be posting this topic if I didn't want any discussion?
The problem with most people is, whenever there's an opinion about them that is not to their liking, they immediately stand up and shout out that their rights were violated or something. Instead of calmly saying what you feel, do you have to judge how others see it? That's why there's a lot of miscommunication here, you directly see it as an insult when it's actually a venue for you to clarify our perceptions.
I think you are not a deep thinker either, if you were deep then you'd not go fist-fighting with the discussion, you'd go an analyze what brought about the perceptions and try to clarify instead of flame baiting.
But then again, I thank you for your thoughts, it does clarify a lot of things but you could have made things better by explaining (and you'd earn more too) with a cooler head.
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
12 Dec 08
?????Who is cursing here? I am not insulted a bit by your thinking. I am a straight woman and your way of thinking doesn't in any way personally affect me. I was just stating facts as I know them for the sake of discussion which you have admitted to starting simply for the earnings. It would appear that you are having more of a problem in dealing with my response which does not agree with yours. you seem a bit angry.
@cyntrow (8523)
• United States
12 Dec 08
Gay people don't become gay. Gays are ten percent of the population, as they were 50 years ago. The only difference is that gay people feel that they won't be physically harmed, nowadays, if they come out.
Most studies today, show that sexuality is biological. Studies show that gay men react to male pheromones the same way that straight females do. Studies show that the brain waves of gay people are different from their heterosexual conterparts.
Sexuality does not alter. If some straight guy decides to start screwing other guys, he is not necessarily gay. So what is your defination of gay? I think that a person is gay if they are naturally attracted to members of their own gender, whether they act upon it or not. What do you think? I'll await your answer before engaging in further debate.
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@laydee (12798)
• Philippines
12 Dec 08
It's true, it's in the lifestyle. I think if the gay didn't have a choice, then their parents' influence wasn't balanced enough to keep them straight.
Most gays are borne in families which are broken, most have highly abusive dads, and who's mothers are the more influential in the family.
I don't know, I know many would be angry, but I'm just trying to figure things out. I'm not saying the being gay is an epidemic that we have to solve, I'm just trying to figure out how come more and more men have become gay.
I dont believe it's the freedom.
I do believe still it's a choice, for there are a lot of gay who went back to being men when they got older, and when asked why, they simply said that was just a phase.
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
12 Dec 08
Jomarch is right...you last two posters are ridiculously naive and uninformed. Go to youtube and watch the video,"for the bible tells me so". It is very informative on this subject. If you want the link, just look at my discussion on it. Actually, I have a great number of gay friends and none of them came from abusive or neglectful homes. There is some pretty naive and immature thinking going on here. I hope you take the time to watch the video I suggested but I kinda know your types...you really are not open minded enough to even bother.
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@rsa101 (38148)
• Philippines
12 Dec 08
I think its the society at large that really is a major factor why many men turn into gays. We are entering in an era where we tolerate them and accept them who they are that is why many men who before would just choose to be a closet gay can now openly declare who he really is.
Before Gays are being ostracized by society but now it has been tolerated already with the liberalized way of thinking that we have right now. I kind of think that we should try to understand them that each should be given the freedom to choose who he wants to be and what would make him/her happy in life.
@laydee (12798)
• Philippines
12 Dec 08
Let me remind you JoMarch that you are here in my discussion. You weren't forced to read nor comment, so I'd suggest you let people be with their ideas.
What? Your afraid your brain might just need a little bit of growing for once? Keep the discussion with an open mind and maturity, we're here to discuss and not cuss because other people don't think like you do.
Thank you rsa101 for your thoughts.
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@laydee (12798)
• Philippines
12 Dec 08
I think what's causing alarm is the fact that if we try to sum things up, more and more gay men have gone out of the closet and it seems there are no more real men in the world.
You know?
Sooner or later I think there would be a problem if this rate is going to increase more and more.
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@ravinskye (8237)
• United States
12 Dec 08
Wow. I can't believe you haven't had responses from people tearing you a new one with that statement. I don't think it is alarming that there are more gay people. I don't know if there are more gay people or not. I think that it is just a good sign that they can feel more comfortable being themselves in public. I also believe that they are born gay. To suggest that anyone would choose being gay to get out of hard work and parent expectations is very insulting. Which is why I'm surprised that no one has yelled at you.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
12 Dec 08
The whole deal with a discussion forum is to ask questions and be curious and to share knowledge and ideas. Folk won't always agree with one another...some will be right and others wrong. There is no need for any aggression, or abuse, nastiness or ridicule.
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@laydee (12798)
• Philippines
12 Dec 08
Nah, yelling doesn't help. It's what I've seen and have discussed with most of my friends. I'm just opening the topic for the sake of earnings.
So whoever gets flared up just lost because I didn't expect to be treated so kindly either. Not to mention that I'm not breaking any mylot rules by being curious how people would think. Right?
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@grandpa_lash (5225)
• Australia
12 Dec 08
If you really didn't want to insult anyone, perhaps it might have been better not to use the phrase "alarmingly increasing number of gay people". What is alarming about it I have to ask myself?
That aside, you clearly have little understanding of homosexuality if you think that being gay is a rational choice. Especially for someone who uses that old favourite"In fact I have lots of gay friends".
Your little example you give, in which you say "I quickly laughed at myself because it wasn't actually a man courting a girl, it was two good friends". Do you make that statement from knowledge of these two people, like they were friends or acquaintances? Or did you just make this up too?
Lash
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@laydee (12798)
• Philippines
13 Dec 08
As for the alarming thing, I do regret posting it there, but I was alarmed at how there are more gay men than straight men now. Yes, it might be due to the fact that they're more accepted in the society now. But I was alarmed.
As for the two friends, I was actually referring to my fault of thinking that the guy was courting the girl. It was funny for me because I really didn't expect it from afar, they looked sweet and was thinking that the girl should accept his courtship.
Do you go out correcting people on every statement they make on these discussions? Do I not have the right to speak out how I felt? Was it wrong for me to be alarmed when in fact I was?
Whew.. No matter there's a lot of stress around people. Everyone just makes a big deal about each and every word.
Plus, just to let you know, mylot doesn't allow us to edit our primary posts. So if ever you were offended by it, then there's nothing I can do about that. Go report it to mylot so they could delete the discussion.
@grandpa_lash (5225)
• Australia
14 Dec 08
I've just re-read the entire discussion, and in answer to your question, I only go on the offensive when I come across ignorant, bigoted, and stupid comments. I don't report discussions because they diagree with me, I attck the opinions, which is what I have done here. Your opinions are appallingly shallow.
Lash
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
12 Dec 08
All you have to do is to substitute the word homosexual for the word 'gay' and there will be some who will decide that they are not homosexual, they just love to be friends with the same gender. Go farther and substitute the word 'sodomite' for the word homosexual and see how many will actually admit that they have anal s*x with a man. So I doubt that all those who admit that they are 'gay' are 'gay'. More than likely they are that way because of the privileges given the homosexual movement and want to be in the so called winning side.
After all those homosexuals with money who are getting the government to pass laws such as gay parades, same gender marriages, no marriages allowed for straight people unless the marriage commissioner marries same gender couples, homosexuals winning court cases against Christians, etc.
I do think it is something to do with how a man is raised, as to whether he becomes homosexual or not, and your father may be part right.
@cyntrow (8523)
• United States
14 Dec 08
Yes, Laydee, this is a free discussion site and I am merely discussing. If you can't handle that....sorry for you. But I will not allow someone to spread misconceptions and downright lies about the glbt community without educating every one else to the contrary. Your silliness aside, suspense has issues.
@laydee (12798)
• Philippines
14 Dec 08
There are ways to clarify things and educated people should understand that calling people names and judging them as ignorant isn't one of them. If you want people to understand how you are, science and all, you must learn to respect that all people don't think the way you do.
I am open to be corrected, but I'm not some person who has no education that you need to call me ignorant and senseless. The mere fact that the discussion is here is actually giving you the chance to clear our misunderstandings about you, but instead of trying to enlighten us, you say we're ignorant and don't know anything. Wouldn't just feel as bad if we generalize that all gay are immoral? This is not an attack to you, it honestly isn't, but you guys see this as a medium for me to attack you and other gays perhaps your traumas made you blind of what people could achieve by good and educated discussions.
@laydee (12798)
• Philippines
13 Dec 08
Cyntrow. Then spread what's right instead of following the discussion and harassing people on what they think. This is a free discussion you know, you should try to understand why these people think this way and create a good explanation instead of showing up and letting them confirm their thoughts about you.
You can't force people to believe what you're saying, but you could make people realize by showing them that you are worth listening to.
Suspenseful. Thanks for your ideas. But I guess they're just trying to find equality in this world and it's truly tough being different and all. I for one am not really into those gay marriages but it's their life, not mine. I'm just concerned of the total impact it has on the younger generation. I'm just hoping too that those who try so hard to look like women would just stop it and just be themselves for a change, I don't think they'd be doubly humiliated or cursed by people if they'd just not try too hard to impersonate women or men for that matter.
@LightninStrike (5915)
• Saint Vincent And The Grenadines
12 Dec 08
I assume that you're not insulting gay ppl on purpose, but you are indirectly when you use expressions like "alarmingly increasing number"...as if gay ppl were a plague or something like that. Why is it an alarm? do we heterosexual people have to feel menaced by gays? I don't think so.
Other than that, i think you don't know what being gay implies. People don't choose to be gay, they simply are. So it's not that they become gay for a reason such as expectations.
And lastly, homosexuality is not only a masculine thing. Remember that lesbians are gay people too. So they should all be included, even though it's true that feminine homosexuality is still more hidden than masculine, even though it exists as well.
If nowadays you see more gay people, it is simply because more and more people gather the courage to admit it publicly, and because more and more heterosexuals accept it, and I hope it continues this way in the future.
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@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
14 Dec 08
There isn't really an influx of gay people so much as there is an influx of gay people willing to be open about themselves. Just go back 50 or so years ago, and gay people were still being brutally murdered for being what they were even in America. The presence of Judeo-Christian values in the west had made it hard for gay people to be open because discrimination was such a high risk. It was looked upon as a leper of sorts. It's not as bad as it used to be, though it's still a problem today.
The increasing tolerance of society towards homosexuality has made it a lot easier to be open about being gay. Less and less people have to worry about being beaten and ostracized from their friends and families if they're found out. You'd be more inclined to be open about yourself too if society was finally lifting its taboos towards people like you.
@prinzess1515 (1341)
• United States
12 Dec 08
It isn't that there are more gay people these days, just more people coming out of the closet now. There have been gays since the beginning of time and there will always be gays. Any father that doesn't give much responsibility or obligation to their child will just create a lazy one, not a gay one. Since the father is able to tell that the child is gay from a young age is proof that you just can't become gay. I doubt a young child decides to act "gay" to get out of responsibilities.
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@laydee (12798)
• Philippines
12 Dec 08
Yes, I guess the kid doesn't choose to be gay. But there's something in the environment that's at fault there too. Most gay men are said to be closer to their mothers than their fathers. Maybe the lack of father image in the society created this imbalance, not to mention that there's an increasing number of divorces. I think that's also another factor.
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@Sheepie (3112)
• United States
12 Dec 08
Well, you're not a dude either, are you? I know I'm not, but remember one thing. Guys don't seem to really think things through that much. So even if a guy somehow noticed that someone was not given high expectations, he would never actually think to connect it to the guy being gay. Even then, I don't think a guy would actually think about that. Guys just aren't deep like that. I don't even think a guy has as deep a subconscious as a woman. They're just made differently.
I think we're just seeing more gay people because they're being accepted into society so much more now.
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@laydee (12798)
• Philippines
13 Dec 08
Well, I even heard of something funny that it was due to all the chicken we eat. With all the hormones injected to chickens so they could produce more eggs and be bigger faster.
Oh well, those are unfounded circulations by the way. But it could be, right?
@grandpa_lash (5225)
• Australia
13 Dec 08
I'll do you the sourtesy of assuming you were responding to the comments above re diabetes and autism, otherwise ..... well.
Lash
@mods196621 (3652)
• Philippines
12 Dec 08
I've noticed that too there are lots of population now of gay people and to know why still question mark into my mind. In my interview jobs those people in that company I came from recently ar all gay from the interviewer to the boss. I can't imagine all the people now walking in the present industry was run by gay people. Almost all of the people at night walking in the streets are gay too. Most of my friends too. One day I m not amazed if my son will be like them...
@ChandosField (18)
• United States
12 Dec 08
I don't think men become gay, I think that's just a part of who they are, much like having brown hair or blue eyes.
I think it APPEARS as if there are more gay people because it is becoming more socially acceptable and fewer homosexuals feel the need to hide in the closet and live "straight" lives, as is expected of the majority of people.
The times are changing and people are being more true to who they are, regardless of society's stand.
@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
13 Dec 08
I think we don't chose our sexuality. We get born that way. I don't think that gays or lesbians have chosen to become so but they were born that way.
@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
20 Feb 09
So...where do us bis fit in, in your theory Laydee?
...anyway, "increasing numbers" is probably mostly your perception, you may recall that being gay, bi, or lesbian used to be taboo. Most people who were tried to live lives like straight people, many of them getting married. ESPECIALLY the bisexuals.
Scientists STILL have a hard time calculating how much of our population is LGBT, because...well, alot of animosity is still out there, and there is still a bit of cultural stigma, many are hiding or not honest with themselves...so it's next to impossible to get an accurate estimation.
They insist that they believe it is only a very small percentage, nowhere near half our population...mostly based on studies of nature.
For example, out here in rural Ohio I have no way of knowing how many bisexuals like myself are about, or lesbians who don't despise bi's, or anything like that. Alot of our areas are VERY christian as well, which also makes it a bit harder. THANKFULLY, romance and relationships are not on my list of priorities. And before you say anything, I don't really do trists.
I mean I'll take love when I get it and I will give every ounce of my heart to that person then...but I will not search for that, like I said to another member on mylot...I'm not indifferent, but it's a level above it surely.
I dunno. I'm a hyper-responsible person...I've been told I have a hero complex. In fact, my parents put more and more responsibility on my shoulders toward the end of my childhood due to the fact that circumstances had made us poor at the time among other things.
So I'm not sure how I fit into your theory. It's the whole nature-versus-nurture thing.
@annjilena (5618)
• United States
12 Dec 08
i think now it,s more of a trend thats going on wanting to try new and different things.this is fore told in the bible that women would be sleeping with one another and mens sleeping with one another.this is mention of as pains of destress god foretold this as being a sign of the last days.