On Conversion
By mookhor
@mookhor (304)
India
December 15, 2008 2:26am CST
There are different religions and people hold faith in particular religions only. The authorities of each religious body claim their supremacy over others and this creats an environment of competition among the religious people. From this plinth the concerned people attempt to convert the persons of other faith to their own fold. Such go on happening. Experiences are not happy always. For conversion all measures, from persuasion to coercion are accepted as justified. This is sheer hypocrisy.
Will you please tell me if conversions are really necessary or if there remains some hidden and ulterior motif inherent ?
7 responses
@iamsree (440)
• India
15 Dec 08
Converting a person to other faith by any means persuasion to coercion as you mentioned is not justifiable.The people who do this sort of converting does not respect anyother person's religious belief. I have heard that some churchs offer monetary funds for preachers who converts people from other faiths.
@headhunter525 (3548)
• India
15 Dec 08
It is the church who is paying the priests. But I would be amazed if any church is paying to the priests some financial incentive for every individual converted. If such practice is reported, it would be a great shame for the Christians. But I guess it's just a rumour.
@RamJey (89)
• Singapore
16 Dec 08
It might be a rumour on that, but i know for a fact that some churches take advantage of a person's poor economic condition and offer money, food, and clothing to coerce the person to convert to Christianity. I personally know 2 such families who had embraced Christianity in this manner.
@headhunter525 (3548)
• India
21 Dec 08
But I still want to ask whether there is coercion really involved in that. I would say that coercion in such situation would mean asking the person that he would be given food, money, clothes etc if he converts otherwise he won't get these items. That I would grant is coercion. But if the giver says something like "I love and so I give and I love because Jesus has first loved me..and it's ultimately the Jesus I worship because of whom I am able to give this expression of love to you... this Jesus loves you too. Won't you love him too in return?" Things cannot be simple like I said but suppose things appear similar to this.. I don't think you'd say this is coercion.
I would also add that once you show such expression of love it's very difficult to deny or disobey what they say. That is human nature. Because you trust the person. Trust that he would say or do things that would be good of me. In the world where there is so much of hatred and injustice it's rare to find 'saviour' who'd sacrifice much to provide us with food and clothes etc. I think those who convert because they've been shown love did a very natural thing. It's those who find it hard to believe that's surprising. That's my take. tk cr.
@headhunter525 (3548)
• India
15 Dec 08
I think there is so much confusion in India about religious conversion because the way people talk about religion and conversion differ. People who come from Hindu tradition do not read up to understand others' point of view, and similar thing goes with people from other faith.
Issue of religious conversion goes so much deeper than saying that religious authorities whip us competition for each other. Definition of religion has not been unanimous, however, religions like Islam or Judaism or Christianity claim to be a revelatory one. And therefore the desire of the adherents to let others also know of that God who has revealed himself is built into the system. However, I do not know any religion that allows use of force to convert others. I am a Christian, but to my knowledge even Islam does not sanction use of force to convert others.
I think to stop all kinds of conversion is not really going to be good. For example, now you seem to be trying to convert others to your point of view or rather you may argue back with me to persuade that your points are correct. But isn't this a kind of conversion. Of course, it is. But is this a religious conversion? It depends on how one defines religion. For a Christian this will also amount to conversion because Christianity understands itself as a worldview...
But I wonder how propagation of one's religion is different from converting others. Indian constitution allows propagation of one's religion. Don't you think that as long as there is propagation of religion there is bound to be conversion. I think so. The problem, I think, that should concern us is whether there is coercion at all.
@iamsree (440)
• India
15 Dec 08
In the name of propagation of religion , religious heads are making extremely ridikus and outrageous statements .One bishop in kerala in sermon asked all christians to have two children each and enroll them in christian managed schools and colleges.i can understand ,to strengthen ones religoius beleifs and customs christian students studying in christian schools but to have two children , i thinl tat is invasion of personal choices and it is also a blatant and irresponsible view in the wake of the population crisis India is facing..This was two months ago..
two days ago a hindu religious leader ,a sanyasi urged his hindu brethern to have 10 children each inorder to strengthen the position of hindus in India. Would you beleive that???.. this the most ridikulus thing i have ever heard.....
@headhunter525 (3548)
• India
15 Dec 08
I won't want to defend any priest unnecessarily. But I wonder if the bishop was teaching the congregation that in the light of population explosion, it is advisable to have only two children. Encouraging people to have two children I think it's understandable; ten children I think it will damage the mother.
@sudiptacallingu (10879)
• India
15 Dec 08
Well there remains of course some ulterior motive and that is money and power. All religious heads control temples, or mosques or churches which are quite religious institutions. They receive donations from followers, money from charity, grant from government and some tax benefits and exemptions too. On top of that, these leaders enjoy tremendous following among the people and that’s a lot of power too. So they try to convert as many people as they can, to their fold.
@ladynetz (968)
• Canada
15 Dec 08
Not every religion goes out and try to convert you.
Ffew of them , who are trying - really believe than their religion offers more.
My personal opinion, is that everyone is born under a certain religion, for a reason.
If you're not happy, you can always convert to what you seem to be attracted to.
But it has to be your choice, and not "made" to, by force or persuation.
@aakay4u (799)
• India
15 Dec 08
If a responsible person changes his religion on his own it is somwhat ok.but recently i saw an example of how it can be misused.ex Deputy CM of Haryana a state in India,son of a powerful politician though disowned now,who was married earlier.married another lady.Since second marriage is not allowed in Hindu religion to which he belonged without getting divorced from his earlier wife,his second marriage would have been illegal.So cleverly he and his second wife changed their religion and became Muslims.As far as conversions by pesuading and coercing is concerned its going on rampantly in India.I was myself offered this around 12 years back,i was offered a girl and a good amount as they mistook me for someone needy.Luckily i was with my friends that time and they didnt realise that,we beat them like anything and handed them to police.But i feel sad when innocent tribals in various parts of our country in the name of social work by foreign funded NGO's and missionaries are being converted.Unless and until the government bans this conversion business,nothing can be done.But as long as our current Super Prime Minister is there this thing will flourish more and more.Its so unfortunate that few institutions who have raised their voices against such missionaries are branded as anti-nationals in our country.Still am happy that they have been doing some good work despite the government being against them.
@titansaha (188)
• India
19 Dec 08
human being is unique creation of nature. they are being parted in number of divisions by some humans to compete one division of people with others in an eye to
master over nature. nature does not permit it but endures. if the human is the
primary goal, no change of habits of practicing any religion is necessary.
@iamsree (440)
• India
15 Dec 08
Only people who don't respect other people's beleifs and feelings try to convert them to their religion.This in any case is not justifiable.