Parents: do you think its right to..
@moonlitmagikchild (22181)
United States
January 3, 2009 1:09pm CST
have twins and then decide to hold one back in school so that one is ahead of the other in school? and this is not based upon them needing to be held back because they are having a hard time in school or maturity or anything but just because the parents want them to be more like individuals than "twins"??
i know of a pair of twins that were both smart an did good in school and yet their parents chose to keep one a year longer before letting that one start school so the other one would always be a grade ahead and they could be not viewed at as twins..
if it was me and i was the twin held back i would feel like they were saying i was stupid or something.. i know a lot of people automatically thought that was the reason behind it so people automatically perceived the one twin as stupid or slow..
having them in separate grades isnt gonna change the fact they are twins and they werent even identical so you could have never even guessed they were twins..
am i the only one thinking this is unfair to the twin being held back? and how would they just choose who they are gonna do that to?!?!
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@smartie0317 (1610)
• United States
3 Jan 09
Not a parent, but as someone who knows a lot about the American public education system, this makesz no sense to me. The parents should have spoken to their local schools before doing this. Most schools put twins in seperate classrooms unless the parents have a problem wirh it. No, I don't agree with what the parents did.
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@moonlitmagikchild (22181)
• United States
5 Jan 09
i know it doesnt make any sense.. i didnt know them when the girls were born but after they had hit high/middle school so i dont know why they didnt talk to the school or what kind of mindset they had
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
7 Jan 09
I don't even necessarily think I'd allow the school to separate my kids unless myself AND the kids preferred it. I don't have a twin nor are any of my kids twins but I do have siblings, and at some points in my life my sister and I were inseparable. If people tried to separate us I did whatever I could in my power to resist it, and believe me, I am persistent and stubborn. I don't feel that way any more, heck we live several states apart and are pretty busy, but I guarantee if we were in a situation where someone was trying to rip us apart they would not succeed.
@goodhappens (671)
• United States
3 Jan 09
Wow, I have never heard of anything like that, and why would anyone even consider that is beyond my thinking.
I agree with you, it would make one feel less adequate in my opinion and that is just setting that child up for failure, wow I can't even imagine being that child, how strong it is going to have to be in order to overcome all the obstacles it's parents have just put in front of him or her.
I have twins, and trust me I have taught all my kids to be individuals and they are individuals just as much as any other child.
At one time I did request they be put in different classes since the teachers were having a hard time telling them apart, but they really did excel when they were in the same classes and in "competition" with each other to make the best grades, they are in HS now and couldn't care less what the other does now.
I agree with you, I don't understand these parents thinking.
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@goodhappens (671)
• United States
4 Jan 09
I agree with you there, my thoughts on this child being destined to failure is because our minds are so powerful that though he may be more mature and able to do the work easier, in his mind he may be thinking his parents don't think he/she is smart enough and if that is how the child believes, then there is the saying we are what we believe.....believe and receive....whether it be negative or positive the belief will be the outcome
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@moonlitmagikchild (22181)
• United States
5 Jan 09
widget i know from my experience that being the older one isnt always a good thing.. i was always the older on because my birthday fell right after the cut off so even though i was in the right grade and didnt start late i was always a year older than most of the class and people assumed i had failed or something
goodhappens i agree with it possibly setting the one up for failure in a sense that if they have been told (or felt) they were stupid all their lives it has a better chance of happening etc..
the whole thing is crazy to me for them to have even come up with but whatever..
@Widget (18)
• United States
4 Jan 09
I'm not sure that I agree that the held back child is destined to failure. The opposite may be the case. The held-back child is a year older than most of his/her peers. Not only might the grades be easier for them because they're more mature, but they quite possibly will have learned a few tricks watching over their twin sibling's shoulder the year before. Athletically, it could be blessing for the held back child because they're not only older than most of the other kids in their grade, but they've likely been competing fiercely with their sibling, and their siblings friends, in an attempt to prove that they're not the lesser twin.
On the other hand, the held back twin may still resent their parents, especially if the parents are dumb enough to actually treat the held back child as if they were a year younger. For example, they both turn 16. Twin #1 gets a car because they're a sophomore, but Twin #2 doesn't get a car that year because they're only a freshman. Now, that would be enough to drive any red blooded American kid into a state of rebellion.
IMHO, these parents are idiots, and they obviously didn't consider all of the aspects of their short sighted solution to individuality.
@smacksman (6053)
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3 Jan 09
Sounds like a typical daft way of thinking that some parents will come up with.
How about plastic surgery and change the appearance of one twin! How about a divorce and split the twins a state apart! The whole thinking behind this is just wierd.
@moonlitmagikchild (22181)
• United States
5 Jan 09
it was so stupid because they dont LOOK alike and one twin was twice the size of the other so its not even like their bodies were alike.. you would have maybe been able to guess they were sisters but not twins
@ahgong (10064)
• Singapore
6 Jan 09
If they really want the twins to be seperate individuals, why not send them to different schools then?
Like you said, if I were the twin that was held back, I'd be sore as well.
Imagine, being the same age as your sibling, but not able to grasp the same opportunities as he did.
@moonlitmagikchild (22181)
• United States
10 Jan 09
well this town was small and when i had met them they were already in high school and they maybe had 2 options and that 1 other option had JUST been built so i know there wasnt enough schools since they just recently had built the majority of them they had in that town within the last year or so..
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@moonlitmagikchild (22181)
• United States
7 Jan 09
im pretty sure the different schools thing wasnt an option because the town was small and back when they were school age wouldnt have had any other option but drive one accross town since i think there was like 3 schools or so... not 10 per mile that it seems to be like now a days
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
7 Jan 09
As a parent, you have the right to choose whether to go along with the schools reccomendation of holding a child back. Under most circumstances, the school uses pretty fair judgement when making these decisions. In the case of seperatting twins just to separate them....absolutely not. I would never sign the papers necessary for this sort of thing to go thru. it is hard enough to deal with the ego blow a kid goes thru when held back for reasons that are really to his benefit...I would nevre put a kid that earned good grades and deserved to move forard back for any reason. it would be wrong.
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@moonlitmagikchild (22181)
• United States
7 Jan 09
this was in no way the schools idea but the "Great" idea of the parents
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
7 Jan 09
I don't understand this, no. It doesn't make any sense from any standpoint. I HAVE heard though that some parents will purposely separate twins and have them in different classrooms, especially identical twins. I'm not sure why, it might have to do with them wanting to foster independence and have them viewed as completely separate individuals. I am not against this, however I'm sure that the kids themselves might have an opinion about it, and it might differ from what their parents think. One of the neatest things I would think about having a twin, especially an identical, is that wherever you go, you have somebody who is like you in some way, and the same age, with the same family and environment, so it is like your 'rock', someone familiar in any unfamiliar situation.
This brings home that the perceptions of others may have nothing to do with what is really the reason or what is really going on, the intentions may be pure but what results might not be. People need to consider this before they let their intentions get the best of them.
Now with kids who exhibit very different learning styles or one is definitely advanced or slower, maybe it's a good idea to meet them where they are at, but that doesn't mean promote one and hold the other back. I would say this means just address their different learning styles yet try to keep them on the same path - different classes or giving one tutoring or enrichment opportunities might be a better idea.
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@moonlitmagikchild (22181)
• United States
10 Jan 09
it would make sense if one was not as intelligent but they both were the same.. if i had a twin i would love having the option to have them with me all the time..
@tammytwo (4298)
• United States
4 Jan 09
I believe this could cause other problems for the twins. It isn't fair for the parents to make such a choice. They were born as twins and will be seen as twins for many years to come. That was God's intention. Yes, they will have individual habits that will make them different but they also share a special bond that no one else will ever experience and disturbing that process is unfair to them.
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@moonlitmagikchild (22181)
• United States
5 Jan 09
yeah its not like separating them will change that they are twins..
@Ithink (9980)
• United States
5 Jan 09
I would never have even thought of doing that. Yes we have twin daughters and I cant imagine how it would have made one feel to be kept back like that. I dont understand what these parents were thinking at all.
No matter what they are individuals and schools normally put them in different classes anyways. Also as you stated it wasn't gonna un-twin them! Yes they are twins but individuals in all since of the words. They would each have found their way and had different friends, everything!
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@moonlitmagikchild (22181)
• United States
5 Jan 09
and no one would have known till they said their names since they didnt look alike
@tessah (6617)
• United States
5 Jan 09
i understand the want of parents to have their chldren be considered individuals.. but stunting their education for that purpose so theyd be tought of as seperate is pathetically going over board on it. they couldve just simply made sure the kids were in different classes with different teachers and a different circle of friends. so no.. i wouldnt hold any of my kids back for any reason other than they needed to stay another year because of their own individual development level.
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@moonlitmagikchild (22181)
• United States
7 Jan 09
yeah from what i understand there was no reason other than their stupid individuality reasoning that was in play.. they both were at the same academic level and etc
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@Dragonofgold (509)
• Canada
5 Jan 09
I think twins fight their whole life to be recognized as individuals bt holding one back because they are twins is making the problem worse, not helping the child. Why not enroll them in a different school if it is that important to them. Children will sort it out on their own. No need to pick favs within your own family -- and that is how the held-back twin would perceive it, no matter how it is justified to them
@moonlitmagikchild (22181)
• United States
5 Jan 09
well the town was too small to where that wouldnt have been possible unless they drove one twin across town to do it
@nadooa247 (1096)
• United States
4 Jan 09
It doesn't make much sense... hindering your own child's education just because you don't want them to be more individualistic? That makes no sense to me... i am not a psychologist but i am certain that this sort of thing ruins the kid's self-esteem at the very least... the whole question of "why me.. why not him/her?" comes into play.
How do they chose? i don't know-- perhaps they pick a number between 1 and 10 and the highest number gets to go through school normally?? I dunno... simply the whole concept isn't sinking in properly in this skull of mine.
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@moonlitmagikchild (22181)
• United States
5 Jan 09
it isnt sinking it because its an ignorant thing for parents to do in my opinion.. the psychological damage must be horrible
@srijshm (1165)
• India
4 Jan 09
wow , never heard anything this stupid.
My younger brother & sis are twins. they went to same school, college are great pals.Helped each other in studies. Today both of them are leading successful lives in their respective fileds.
The attachment of a sibbling is a blessing to cherish.Why separate the twins that were destined to be together by nature.
How can parents decide as to who should stay longer in school? The experimenting that goes on while parenting is one of the tragedies of modern living.
@moonlitmagikchild (22181)
• United States
5 Jan 09
i know.. some people just shouldnt be parents sometimes i think
@fairydew (180)
• United States
5 Jan 09
Oh my gosh. Twins are so special. I think they should never be separated unless they decide this on their own or there is a very good reason to do so. I love to see sets of twins interacting with each other.
I knew a set of Mexican twin boys, and actually when I got older, I married one of them. They were called Big Joe and Little Joe. I married Big Joe. Big Joe was always just a little bit bigger than his twin, Little Joe. They were fun to be around and so very close to each other. It seemed like they had some kind of special connection that they always knew where and how the other one was doing, and yet, they were very different as individuals.
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@moonlitmagikchild (22181)
• United States
5 Jan 09
they will fight to be individuals anyways but at least if they are fighting to be individuals they will be them on their terms and not forced..
@jmcuaycong (65)
• Philippines
4 Jan 09
I know a pair of twins who was almost in that predicament. They are both smart but the other one was in an upper ranked section and she was the one who was almost made to stop school in order for the older one (the one in the lower ranked section) to go ahead. There are other underlying reasons why their parents wanted the other one to go ahead, one of that is financial problems because they also have an older sister who was graduating the same year so it's hard for them to make ends meet however they also wanted both to have this "individuality." I guess, like you, I also consider this unfair, especially that the one being held back is the one who is smarter, being in the upper ranked section. Also, people don't judge them because they're twins. They have different sections and they are completely to different persons with different sets of friends, etc. It just isn't fair to held one back for the sake of the other.
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@moonlitmagikchild (22181)
• United States
5 Jan 09
i hope that the smarter held back one doesnt get their spirit broken and think they are stupid and stop trying
@robert19ph (4577)
• Philippines
3 Jan 09
hello moonlitmagikchild,
In my own opinion, I think that is not fair to the one who is left behind. Since they're twins they should go together in school at the same time. This way, they can enjoy each others company and learn together. They can even teach one another. And even protect each other.
Unlike if the other way around, the other one will feel that their parents love him less and that he/she is not a favorite. This will have a great effect to the child from his/her early age till such time that he/she will get old.
Parents should consider the feelings of both parties to the extent that they're not making problem at all. I think and I believe they should not do that.
@moonlitmagikchild (22181)
• United States
5 Jan 09
not to mention it makes the one in the grade ahead automatically the big brother/sister that will have to protect the other one since its being treated as older and around older people etc
@relundad (2310)
• United States
3 Jan 09
Wow, that is really a weird situation, that I have never heard of. WTF? I am wondering how you find 2 parents wacked out enough to agree on this? Not even as if they were already in school.
The parents probally definitely created some esteem issues between the kids that didn't even have to be. If seperation and identity was their whole point, then why not send themto seperate schools?
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@moonlitmagikchild (22181)
• United States
5 Jan 09
well i knew then once they were already teens so if the town was small then i am thinking they didnt have the choice unless they drove one twin far away to take her to another school so the two different schools wouldnt have worked
@TheCatLady (4691)
• Israel
7 Jan 09
That's completely wrong for the kid to be held back. Everyone will know they are twins and will think of the one held back as being stupider. Usually schools put twins in separate classrooms so they can develop their own identity.
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@prinzess1515 (1341)
• United States
4 Jan 09
Those people are crazy or maybe one of them was a bit slower and they just didn't want to admit it. Kids at school are going to wonder why they are not in the same grade. If they don't want them to be viewed as "twins" make sure they are not in the same classes. This way people get one on one time with them.
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@moonlitmagikchild (22181)
• United States
5 Jan 09
well they are both academically smart but socially they both have huge hang ups but i dont know if that is because of how they are or raised or what.. but with them both having social issues that wouldnt make sense to only send one and not the other
@saracath (18)
• United States
3 Jan 09
That is so wrong on so many levels. What does that do to the self-esteem of the child kept back. I am the parent of twins and would never have thought of doing such a thing. If one had lacked in skills after starting school would be one thing but to make that decision before they even begin is rediculous.
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@moonlitmagikchild (22181)
• United States
5 Jan 09
they were both smart and honor roll so its not like the intelligence level was different or anything
@vindiku (255)
• India
3 Jan 09
No definitely you are thinking in the right way, even if not twins parents must give equal importance to their children. It would be the worst thing to do with the siblings to categorize them. Such an approach will bring conflicting thoughts between the siblings themselves. Here once used to be a classification according to gender, but its almost gone, as far I know, even that should not be allowed, whether its a twin or not, whether its a boy or a girl, both must be given equal opportunity to prove themselves, at least while they are under the guidance of their parents.