Torture, where in the mind of man

@lvaldean (1612)
United States
January 5, 2009 9:19pm CST
So I will first have to admit that it was a discussion started my myklj999 that got me thinking about this. So all the credit goes to him. But has anyone ever wondered just what kind of person sits around thinking about ways to torture another human being? I mean really, WTF. What kind of person is this really. When you really think about some of the really sick and depraved things that humans have done to each other throughout history you have to wonder. So some king or queen says to themselves, "well I am thinking that my chamber of horrors is really horrible enough; call my chief torturer!" When the chief torturer arrives the ruler explains that he/she is bored and needs something new. So off the torturer goes to think of new ways to cause pain. Is that how it went? What about the guys that just like sat around and suddenly the light bulb went off, oh yeah that would work. Lets hang someone until they are almost dead then cut them down, then cut them open and pull out their intestines while they are still living, then cut off all their limbs. Yeah that is great! Let me rush over to the castle and tell the king, he will love this one. I mean really what kind of sick minds are these anyway. What are your thoughts?
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
6 Jan 09
A sociopath I guess. Somebody who has no empathy for human suffering and even enjoys it. Probably somebody who was treated badly growing up and has no concept of what normal is.
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@lvaldean (1612)
• United States
7 Jan 09
Sociopath, certainly would explain part of it today. I wonder if it explains it in the historical context though? Has the human condition changed significantly, have we really evolved?
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• Philippines
6 Jan 09
For the part in the brain, I think it has to come near the brain stem of the "reptilian" brain, which is pleasure-oriented, extroverted, self-centered, primitive and focused on survival. There is a certain joy that is derived from inflicting pain on others in which only the torturer can ease or cause, which gives him/her the sense of being god. "I can ease the pain if you beg me hard enough" or "If you don't do what I say I'll hurt you again". People such as these have underdeveloped consciences, lack a sense of control in their lives, uses displacement as a means of protecting themselves and is a person of very low self-esteem. They've got to hate themselves pretty bad if they're willing to inflict pain on other people. God help their souls.
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@lvaldean (1612)
• United States
7 Jan 09
That is the person who is the torturer, but what about the person who simply invented the devices. In many cases they were not the person who actually used them, especially in ancient times.
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@jimbomuso (950)
6 Jan 09
Hi Ivaldean! the truly sad part is that any human being can become that torturer- it just takes a certain set of conditions. just for example imagine a family member being killed by someone. now all you have to do is imagine the rage you'd feel ... then give it license to carry out your revenge. I dont think sick people are born, they grow into it, they learn how to be sick! all it takes is not enough love, too much hate, and a blank unquestioning mind. I'm not typing this to excuse others behaviour, IMHO it's just the way it is To put it in perspective.. If I had got hold of my abuser.. I dont wanna think what I would have done to him and I dont really want to think how much I would have enjoyed hurting and destroying him.
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6 Jan 09
I really should read all the posts y'know! films like SAW are just a symptom of todays society thinking 'I'm so glad that it isn't happening to me' it quite simply glorifies torture and pain, the weird thing is most people root for the serial killer!! how screwed up is that?
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6 Jan 09
I wish I'd sat down and just typed one complete post. If human beings had no rage, anger etc we wouldn't have survived the brief time we've been on this planet. good and Evil are at best abstract terms. the capacity for violence and bloodshed is something the human race has excelled at for a very long time, it's something that is in our very genes- I think serial killers for example have some left over 'caveman' DNA which compells them to commit various acts of violence, domination etc, because it's 'hardwired' into them.
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6 Jan 09
The purpose of most torture instruments was to cause the most pain possible without actually killing the victim, so that the torturer could get the information they needed.
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@shamsta19 (3224)
• United States
7 Jan 09
I don't think it is sick to imagine these things for fun or something. It is the one who would implement the torture that is the sicko. I mean just reading this has made me imagine, hmmm what would be a sick torture method? You could sew a person's bottom closed and keep feeding him (lol). I would never go out and split a guy's knees open for kicks or anything but it would definitely take a sick mind to go out and do that.
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@shamsta19 (3224)
• United States
7 Jan 09
We should rip his eyelids off and keep taking his picture (lol)! Anyway it takes a sick mind to put these ideas into practice.
@lvaldean (1612)
• United States
7 Jan 09
I know, we all can go there in our minds at time. I have a whole battery of ways for people to die who do harm to those I love. It really isn't hard to go down that path when someone harms us or those we care for. But somewhere along the line someone sat around and had an aha moment. In that moment they came up these nasty ways to do harm to other human beings and then they shared it, probably for money. I just wonder what kind of person that is. (did you notice that my star is going down? I think I made someone made since it happened overnight)
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@taface412 (3175)
• United States
7 Jan 09
I wonder the same thing sometimes..especially those who prey on children and the elderly. Precious air, food, and money is wasted on these sick individuals who are obviously so far gone that they have no respect for any life. I also wonder sometimes about the people who create some of the disturbing movies we find out there...you know the whole slasher series...they come up with the most gore fest ideas that they have to keep outdoing one another and now these thoughts are in others minds after seeing them. I wonder if they do psychological tests on some of the screen writers. Saw, comes to mind.
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@lvaldean (1612)
• United States
7 Jan 09
Oh I don't really wonder about the people who do the harm, I know they are sick. It is the people that just create the instruments and devices. Those that "invent" the means that I wonder about. I wonder if they are just simply so in their own mind they don't really consider what happens next or they don't care as long as their invention gets created. Many people have brought up the correlation between some of the slasher movies and torture. I suppose I will need to start thinking about this issue now. I don't watch these movies, think they are sick and stupid. But maybe now I will need to put them in my "hmmmm, I wonder" list.
• United States
6 Jan 09
In most cases I don't think it went quite like that. Torture chambers were for the traitors and betrayers, though they had a rather loose definition back then. It was accepted as part of the culture, a king that showed leniency was deemed weak, and an easy target for his enemies. Nowadays though, we as a civilized people ignore our most primal instincts. Its not much different from what happens in nature, we just had to be more creative. Only the folks without self-control have issues in that regard.
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@lvaldean (1612)
• United States
6 Jan 09
I disagree with you. I don't think that torture chambers were only for traitors and betrayers at all, I think they were for anyone those in power didn't like. Anyone that didn't fit the current fashion -- anyone that wasn't following the current religion, anyone that wasn't a member of the current faction, anyone that spoke against the current political power, anyone who was powerless, and the list went on. So no it wasn't just for the betrayers. It was also for the weak, for those who didn't fit the norm, for the mentally handicapped, for women who talked to much or out of turn, for the gender different, for the sexually different, and the list goes on. Nowdays, no we don't ignore our most primal instincts we just wrap it in prettier packages and call it anti-terrorism. But that doesn't answer the question, what kind of mind comes up with this stuff?
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• United States
6 Jan 09
Hense the "loose definitions" aspect of the comment. :) And as is the norm with humanity, what it started out as has nothing to do with where it ended up. I would suppose that a human mind comes up with it. The sick and twisted part is really when you act on it, at least in my mind. But then again, I could do far worse then many of the historical acts if I get really ticked off enough. I wouldn't act on it ever, but its seemingly a part of human nature. A depraved mind acts on it. Hope that more answers your question. :)
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@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
11 Jan 09
You post set me thinking in the middle ages and the amount of torture people performed on each other. I read about the Church Inquisition in Spain. It was simply horrible. I remain persplexed when I see an CSI or a Criminal Minds telefilm and see the oddities and the tortures some sick people apply on other people. Ok it is true that these sereies are fiction. But sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. (c) ronaldinu 2009 - the more people I meet-the more I love my dog
@zackyo7 (301)
• United States
7 Jan 09
I really don't know what kind of person would do such a thing. But he would have to be sick in the head to do such a thing. Only someone who is influenced by great evil could sit down and just think of ways to torture people. And they probably thought really hard and very long in order to get these kinds of results to now physically and mentally torture you.
@lvaldean (1612)
• United States
7 Jan 09
This is my thought as well.
@3cardmonte (5098)
6 Jan 09
torture was invented to get the truth out of people, the idea was that if you tell me what I want to know, I wont hurt you. Unfortunately the torturer never kept their word, those guys eh? it was meant to inflict the maximun amount of pain whilst keeping the victim still alive so that he/she could talk. Some people are truly sick in the head and they torture the innocent, but there are people that might deserve to be tortured.
@shwanks (145)
• United States
6 Jan 09
i think the creaters of the Saw series have sick minds. how could you even come up with some of those things! iv never really thought about torture and cruelty very much, but then a friend of mine on facebook posted a link to a video, he even warned me -do NOT watch if you have a weak stomach!- which i never have, i used to love scary slashers, i watched them thru out my childhood and ususally laughed at how dumb the characters were. well after seeing that movie i get shaken up over the littlest things. im not even going to tell you the link of where to find the video because i wouldnt want anyone seeing it! a couple of kids video taped themselves torturing the H3LL out of some random guy in a business suit, your not told who the man is so idk if this guy screwed the kids over or if they just picked a random man off the street or what...but it was sick and i would never wish this torture upon ANYONE, not my worst enemy! the kids litterally tore this mans FACE off. where his face shoulf have been was just a big bloody mess. and the guy was still alive throughout his ten minute video! this poor man was breathing and moaning, but he had no strength to fight. they stabbed all over his stomach with a screwdriver (deeply stabbed) and then gouged out the place where his eyes should have been with the screwdriver! in the end they were tearing his face apart with some sharp object. it was sick. you cant even imagine cruelty until youv seen this video. i couldnt sleep for a week from watching this movie and just thinking about it right now (its been MONTHS since iv seen it) i am crying and shaking. i dont know if i'll be able to sleep tonight after thinking about it again.
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@lvaldean (1612)
• United States
6 Jan 09
I never watched slasher movies. Never saw the point. I love scary movies but only if they are "mind" movies. It isn't that I have a weak stomach, it is that I have little tolerance for senseless violence. What you have described is senseless and cruel. I hope that these little animals were arrested and put away. As a victim of violent crime I have a very low tolerance for these types of sub-humans, I don't want them on the street. The issue is, I believe that they lack empathy and compassion, two key elements that separate us from other animals. I often have these random thoughts, such as what causes people to go down the paths they do. Possibly because of my history. What kind of person sits around and thinks of ways, in some cases ingenious ways to torture another person. What causes their brains to work in this fashion.
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@sunil_008 (1269)
• India
6 Jan 09
i think this discussion is like influenced from the SAW. well someone tortures you then he must been going through that in his mind. so let him be first to open up the things . as soon as he get cleared about his mental condition and then he will realise the necessity of staying with people without doing any harm to them. since he must got torture thats why may be hes doing that to others...:) really a stupid view point though.
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@lvaldean (1612)
• United States
6 Jan 09
Missing the point completely I am not asking about the person(s) who commit torture. I am asking about the mind of the person who designs devices of torture. They are usually different people.
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@ds6413 (2070)
• United States
6 Jan 09
wel One explanation is that a person who is ok with this kind of thing are those who have seen it through out their lives and have lost the feeling of guilt such as in the middle east or also in abusive homes. I think of your analogy and think that in the dark ages that used to be so common that someone might think is no big deal.
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@Shavkat (140102)
• Philippines
25 Nov 12
I don't like the idea of having emotional torture. It contributes to stress, I can't endure if I am so loaded. Some people are not that considerate, they tend to add more stressors.