Glass half full/Glass half empty...... The optimism versus pessimism theory!

@James72 (26790)
Australia
January 19, 2009 6:18am CST
I just made a reference to this statement in a response in another discussion and it got me thinking further to the point of wanting to share it. I am sure that most of us have heard this quote before, yes? If we see the glass is half full then we're an optimist..... If we see it as half empty, then we're a pessimist and blah, blah, blah..... Did you ever stop and think that maybe all we need in life to be happy is to get hold of a smaller glass??? Maybe if we didn't have such unrealistic expectations in life, things would be different..... Maybe if we looked to achieve goals that were personally motivating rather than try to live up to societal expectations, things would be different..... Maybe if we looked for the silver lining in everything and noticed what's THERE in our lives rather than focus on what's NOT, then things would be different..... A large glass filled to half-way is neither half full OR half empty in my opinion, it's in the wrong container! I have no question to pose really and just wished to think out loud I guess. I suppose all I can ask is which one of the glass descriptions are you usually and do my own pondering's make sense? lol.
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@riyasam (16556)
• India
26 Jan 09
well,james,loli am also going to think aloud.talk about co-incidence!!!i just finished giving a lecture(nothing new)to my hubby,he was about to drink a glass half full of not so fresh water.i had given a full glass of water to my kid in the morning,he drank half and left it on the table uncovered and now hubby......you know ,i am a total optimist(but not when it comes to manners.)
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@riyasam (16556)
• India
26 Jan 09
with your permission,i would say the glass was half empty!!!actually ,marraige has made me more tolerant and more patient(though ,my lecture giving habit has not reduced)
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
26 Jan 09
No why would you need my permission then riya? It's your glass! half empty it is.....
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
26 Jan 09
I never considered a real situation with a half filled glass riya! lol. In this instance, maybe it's OK to say that the glass is half empty because it was left in a not so positive way on the table? It's interesting how the same glass can be seen from each angle though. Your son could say - "But Dad! I left you a half full glass!" and your Hubby would see it as "No son, you left me a half empty glass of water!" Individual perceptions reign supreme as always..... I am neither optimistic nor pessimistic when it comes to a lack of manners by the way. For me it's flat out impatience and intolerance for such a thing.
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@diansinta (7544)
• Indonesia
29 Jan 09
Pesimistic and Optimistic.. Both of them been there. Pesimistic , I am a "Major Weaper!!" just like Jude Law in Holiday movie, LOLOptimistic makes me upset when for example i want a laptop and a camera, but since 2 years i can't manage my money to buy two of them LOL then i goes down-down-down If someone watch my mood graphic he will see that it's looks like a Hangseng Forex graphic. LOL I have learn to let go some that i must buried, And the new blank papers are ready to write, like i meet someone that cares for me and be a serious boyfriend,..may be..or something..But then again i manage to not to be foolish no more. Been there, fall once is a mistake, but fall twice is stupid. Takes a live time to make a good position in a heart and decisions for the future, one small choice we make will influence everything. Be very careful but Hurry!! dian you getting older, worries and worries.. Control and miss control for everyday. I determined my self for living without an EGO but yes, dian its a human, sometimes she changes and shock by her own act. Happy posting always, oxox'dian from bali island.
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@diansinta (7544)
• Indonesia
30 Jan 09
You are..right James, I will learn to. thank you so much.. I wish i read more discussions about How to manage thyee self, I do. I love it.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
30 Jan 09
What the mind believes, the body achieves dian! The more time we spend trying to absorb positive information, the better the chance of us starting to act and think positively as a result! I am a firm believer in the "Law of Attraction" meaning that what we put out in this world, we get back. Like karma I guess. But the more we act and think optimistically, the greater the positive energy we will attract back to us. It's not always easy to maintain this type of mindset, but we owe it to ourselves to try always.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
29 Jan 09
These ups and downs will never stop in life dian! But if we are able to be realistic with our goals and not take on too much, then we have a better chance of managing these ups and downs far more effectively. If we didn't make mistakes in life then we'd never learn anything anyway! The goal though is to actually LEARN from them and act accordingly. We are all guilty of making mistakes and we all go back and forth from pessimism to optimism at times. Maybe we wouldn't do this so much if we were in better control of who we are and what we are capable of? And an ego is not such a bad thing either by the way. We have to love ourselves! The only time that having an ego can become negative is when it is exhibited at the expense of others.
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@alokn99 (5717)
• India
23 Jan 09
Question is James, Can we really define the size of the glass ? The influences of people around us, the society, the envoirnment, the world at large and all that which happens around us does affect us a great deal. So if we keep the glass small and keep our expectations limited to what happens around us then i suppose one can in an easier way look at the glass being more than half full rather than partially empty. To be specific. If i was to relate to life only around me and think optimistically about my self and my future then it's a little easier rather then when i start getting affected and expand my realm of expectations and happiness to those around and the future and what's going to to happen,fear and so on. Hope i'm making sense.
@alokn99 (5717)
• India
25 Jan 09
So we are now wondering what size of glass has to do with this. I guess is the water quantity is the same, then in a bigger glass, it will still appear to either quarter full or quarter empty. So then take a samller glass and it's always full. Now i seem to be confused as well.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
25 Jan 09
lol. Yes, I guess it does become confusing after a while. God knows I've confused myself enough during this thread! Maybe we can equate knowing what size the glass must be to attaining a strong level of self realization or inner knowledge? Broadly metaphorical I know, but as it is in life, we spend our existence trying to find our way and our place, so maybe this is just another way to express this? (An odd way!) Do you think that there may be Zen Buddhists meditating on mountains somewhere seeking a sign in the form of the perfect sized glass?
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
23 Jan 09
Hi Alok. Yes, not only do I believe that we CAN define it, we HAVE to! This is one of my main points. We get so caught up in what OTHERS expect of us, that we tend to lose sight of what WE need ourselves to truly make us centred in life. This is not to say that we should spend our lives with a small glass and never seek challenges beyond our comfort zones. But we need to take steps in our personal journey through life that maximizes our ability to stay optimistic and realistic; and minimize the chances of glaringly obvious gaps and negativities being openly there. WE need to choose our own glass and we need to choose one that allows us to be all that we can be so that we can be at our best for others around us as well. We also need to move the goalposts further away as we grow and increase the size of the glass; but again, realistically, otherwise we once again end up with gaps that draw our attention away from what is important. I hope I am making sense too! lol.
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@mtdewgurl74 (18151)
• United States
17 Apr 09
There could be some truth in that since I am always finding the glass half full."Makes store list for smaller glasses.." I read something awhile back that fits this discussion perfectly.. The happiest of people don't necessarily have the best of everything they just make the most of everything that comes along their way.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
17 Apr 09
That last quote you shared is excellent! We need to find happiness in all we have, not seek it from things we don't! If we focus on the latter, it creates a negative cycle that never ends.....
@balasri (26537)
• India
25 Jan 09
I can agree with you James. The prime problem with the society is that everyone wants everything regardless of their worth. It is not a sin or a shameful thing to be born in particular strata of a society. What maters is whether you life up to what you are made for. Every one cannot be the ruler. We need to have some citizens too in a kingdom. If we understand that the people need to have different stuff to attain different level half of the misery is gone. We will come to a level of being happy with a just a glass in our hand regardless of its size and regardless of what it contains.
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@balasri (26537)
• India
26 Jan 09
That's the point.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
25 Jan 09
I agree that we all have a purpose/place in life and that is not to say that we should never aspire to more; we should just be aware of potential limitations and be realistic with our pursuits of personal development, growth and success. Some philosphical lines of thinking state that even a grain of sand serves a purpose! What we have is far more important than what we don't and it is recognizing what we have in the first place that allows us to seek more in a sustainable way. A rainbow is one such example to make the point..... We may either admire its colours and beauty for what it is, or we can chase the supposed pot of gold at the end of it. One is the here and now and REAL, the other is pointless.
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@dolcias (302)
• Egypt
17 Apr 09
i hear you,james..i think also simplicity is the main source of satisfaction,some people have everything and die before they reach satisfaction,yet some people see too much in something that's too little...do you know that some people ignore what they already have and 100% focus on the empty half of the glass,thinking that their life will finally start when the glass is entirely full?they don't realize that untill they lose the full half they didn't appreciate,or die without filling the empty half(according to them..die before their life even starts)...unrealistic expectations in life aren't that wrong or misleading,they can be our inner push sometimes and we end up getting much we didn't expect while trying to reach them...the problem in that case is we hold our life,we make everything in it seem to be depending on those unrealistic expectations or goals...if i knew my biggest dream was to come true tomorrow,i wouldn't waste today waiting for it,i would still live it while dreaming of tomorrow...maybe tomorrow wouldn't even come and i would end up losing today and tomorrow......i get what you mean by saying''a large glass filled to half way is neither half full nor half empty''...if we moved what we had in that large glass to a smaller glass,it would be entirely full with even some excess.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
17 Apr 09
"The simple things in life are often the best!" and I couldn't agree more with what you've shared here dolcias. There is so much joy and satisfaction to be gained from what we have already, if only we'd acknowledge it for what it is and not take it for granted. I'm surrounded by many people that all consumed by what they must have rather than by what IS and it's quite sad to be witnessing. I too was once materialistic, but certain life events made me realize how trivial these possessions actually were. My priorities have changed considerably over the last few years because if this and I couldn't be happier. We should all dream and dream big, but we also need to be realistic and exercise an attitude of gratitude for the here and now. If an individual never seeks to address a healthy attitiude towards the here and now, it doesn't matter WHAT size the glass is or how full or empty it is, because they will always wish for something else! How can a never ending cycle like that be of benefit? Great response mate!
@royal52gens (5488)
• United States
17 Apr 09
Yes, that is the engineer's answer to the problem. A glass filled to its half-way point is neither half full or half empty. The contents are in the wrong size glass. Change the glass and the problem is solved.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
17 Apr 09
If only more people could see it this way rather than automatically start to think about what they can replace the glass with! Many people in society tend to get all caught up with a "what's next" attitude rather than stopping to appreciate the here and now. The main problem with this mindset being that this is a cycle that never ends! Change the glass, yes, but also embrace it for what it is and be grateful for it.
@miamilady (4910)
• United States
17 Apr 09
Yes, your pondering's make sense. Most of the time, I'm a "glass half full" person. I do try to see "the silver lining" in situations. Unfortunately I have spend some time around "glass half empty" people and sometimes they can wear you down! I think your "smaller glass" idea is great. Have you read a book called "Don't sweat the small stuff, and it's all small stuff"? It's somewhat based on a similar premise. I highly recommend it.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
17 Apr 09
I've actually seen this book on the shelves of a Virgin Bookstore here! I'll take a closer look at it next time I'm there. Pessimistic people can definitely wear us down and I'm unfortunately surrounded by a lot of them at times. I've thankfully managed to keep an upbeat attitude in spite of them though. It's not always easy to be realistic AND optimistic all at once, but if we manage to maintain this kind of mindset, it can certainly be of benefit and we can ultimately end up as "cup runneth over" people in due course too.
• United States
17 Apr 09
Personally, I don't think it has anything to do with the glass at all... I think the important question is [b]what's inside the glass? [/b] I'm neither an optimist nor a pessimist.. I'm a realist.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
17 Apr 09
I consider myself to be a realistas well in most instances, but we also need to learn to become grateful for what we do have in the glass and optimistic about it too! It sure beats spending a lifetime focusing on what could be rather than what IS.
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
22 Jan 09
Great out of the box thinking. I love it! I'm more of a glass half full person myself. I recognize what's not quite right in my life and I realize that it could be a lot worse.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
23 Jan 09
Thank you Dawn. I consider myself to be a glass half-full kind of guy also. But I also am working on maintaining an attitude that embraces realistic goals in life! Setting the bar high is great, sure; but setting it too high means that the chance of failure is greater and this is no way to continue to inspire optimism at all. Hence the smaller glass angle I took. If we seek realistic goals in life then the chances of that empty space in the glass being glaringly obvious, is less. Out of sight, out of mind right?
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
24 Jan 09
Well if we take care of each day at a time, then the weeks, months and years end up taking care of themselves! It must be very late there Dawn???
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
24 Jan 09
I guess that's why people with addictions go one day at a time. If they set one year as a goal, it's just too far off and they're setting themselves up for failure.
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@elitess (5070)
• Ipswich, England
25 Jan 09
Hi there James. I think that a good view combining the optimistic and pessimistic views is "expect the worst but hope for the best" - the good thing in this is that you will never be dissapointed to much as you were expecting something even worse to happen. The thing is that it is kind of hard to follow. It is well known among psychologists that a happy person is drawn to attract other happy persons around him, and also make them happy. I watched a stand up comedy movie from America a while back called "The 3 amigos" and one of them said a very true thing (in my opinion anyway): Don't cry about sh!t, make it happen !
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
25 Jan 09
Hi elitess! I agree that expecting the worst and hoping for the best can be a constructive way to look at things, but only if the expectation does not becoming the over-riding factor. Maybe "prepare" for the worst and hope for the best is a slightly more optimistic way to look at things? And no, it's not easy to follow a mindset like this all the time at all. I am a big believe in the Law of Attraction too, so I have no question in my mind that happiness attracts happiness, positivity attracts further positivity and so forth. We are the Masters of our Existence in this regard. Call it karma if you like, but what we put out, we get back. I remember the 3 Amigo's! lol. That's a good line and very true. Masters of our Existence!
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@SaintAnne (5453)
• United States
22 Jan 09
Hello James. Once again, we are in the same line of thinking (or questioning if you want). Isn't looking for the silver lining more of an optimist way of looking at things? Be it a small or large glass? So that makes your pondering a little confusing to me as well as I get it. You know me, the more you elaborate, the more I get it as well as 10 questions would pop up in my head for one line. Goals no matter which way we look at it, they are influenced by what we grow up with and what we still have around us. I know I have blamed my unhappiness the last few years in such societal "expectations" but then I thought more about it and you are right, no one is to blame but myself for not really getting into what is personally motivating for me. But part of that personal motivation is to do something that makes me happy and makes those around me happy. Finding balance and compromises between those two is quite difficult and I have decided to make myself the priority and give those around me a little bit of myself as well when I can. I am still figuring things out but I have never been happier and have never known myself as I know myself now. I still have a long way to go and I know I am going around in circles again. What I am trying to say is that I have realized there is so much harm that pessimism brings. It locks us in a rut full of regrets, blame, hatred and misery. Full-on optimism WITHOUT action is no better. The way we think helps us in our daily lives. I would rather wake up and shake off that nasty feeling of being miserable. I do not ever want to be that person again who has always something wrong going on. Yes, things do go wrong but I have the OPTION to fix it. Pessimism will only hold us back from what we could do.
@James72 (26790)
• Australia
23 Jan 09
Hi SaintAnne. Yes, it IS a silver lining mentality of sorts, but I am also trying to point out that we sometimes may find it difficult to be optimistic as much as possible if we are not also realistic in parallel. You stating that you are still figuring yourself out is undoubtedly a common theme for most of us. Life and our existence is a baffling journey at best! I too spen each and every day learning something new, or discovering something else about myself or about those around me and I don;t expect this to ever change. And we DO have to be a bit selfish at times! How can we possibly be the best we can be for others if we are not in tune with ourselves? It isn't selfishess in the true sense of the word, it's a self-serving attitude that will ultimately benefit those around us because we will be calmer and happier within. We ARE in control of all outcomes in our lives, both good and bad. We DO have the ability to be optimistic in the face of adversity, or to become consumed by it. The key is in being realistic about it all as well. Hence the smaller glass angle I took. Half full/half empty..... Optimism/Pessimism..... How we choose to see things is down to us, but maybe if we were to take that smaller glass, a half empty glass can suddenly become a full one again! This in itself is an action on our part to see things differently.A case of triggering an action that once again embraces what IS and maximizes the positives. So this I guess is the silver lining part! I hope I make sense from the git go this time!
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
23 Jan 09
Well that's just GROOVY SaintAnne! You're feelin' my VIBE man!
@SaintAnne (5453)
• United States
23 Jan 09
Makes sense to me, man!
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@AbbeyB (670)
• Spain
25 Jan 09
LOL that is ooo so true but why dont we all think like that? for me though I would say I am a half full type of girl always optimistic and ready to beat the world!
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
25 Jan 09
I guess we don't think this way Abbey, because we get set in our ways and follow the crowd! Having a "half-full" attitude in life is definitely a positive thing, we just need to also ensure we have realistic expectations in life and adjust our goals accordingly. Always seeking to have the right sized glass in life means we have a much better chance of it always being close to full!
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@AbbeyB (670)
• Spain
25 Jan 09
Oh how very true I will try and make sure I have the right sized glasses in future.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
25 Jan 09
Good luck then Abbey! I am sure many of us will go our whole lives struggling to find the right one at times. There is no way it would be easy for anyone eqach and every time, but we should at least always try!
• Australia
20 Apr 09
I have no idea how I missed this discussion earlier, but better late than never. Definitely glass half full for me. But I like your premise: I think that a lot of people do this naturally as they age or come to a more realistic understanding of life and their place in it. Big glasses are a young person's thing. And just think: if you have a big glass half full and put it in a little glass, you now have a full glass. Of course that is no doubt what you were getting at. Lash
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
20 Apr 09
You hit the nail on the head with your last line Lash. It's the here and now that matters, not what could be or isn't! We have this habit of being unrealistic at times to the point of actually dragging ourselves down or limiting ourselves without even realising it. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush and all that.....
@cybersoft01 (1284)
• India
19 Jan 09
Very good example dear. I once started a discussion on a topic like this but I did not get many responses. I would like to say more on this topic tomorrow as I have to leave now. I am going to add you as friend.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
19 Jan 09
I searched for a topic along these lines before writing it, but nothing came up. If you posted something of a similar context, then it means we may think along the same lines in this regard then. Request received and of course accepted.....
@missybear (11391)
• United States
19 Jan 09
Very good thinking, I like it. Maybe more people kook at life different after they read this.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
19 Jan 09
I hope so missybear! There are so many cliched quotes out there in this world and we become numb to them after a while. Even if only one person were to read this and then decide to think a little differently, then I've succeeded as far as I'm concerned!