Seller beware!

@mentalward (14690)
United States
January 23, 2009 10:10am CST
I placed an ad in several of those free online classified places to try and sell our ATV, which my husband bought for me in a moment of insanity. I received a few responses, one being from a guy in Florida. He told me not to worry about shipping costs as he would take care of that. (I live in Virginia.) Since I have a basic distrust of all strangers, especially online, I checked out the physical address this guy gave me in his email by typing it in my search box. It seems that this address was the scene of a gruesome crime in 2007 and is listed in many different websites! I'm waiting now for a response to my answer to this guy's email. I have a very LARGE suspicion that this guy is going to somehow try to get my personal banking information, or try to have me put a very large 'check' of his into my bank and send him the balance. I've received enough fraudulent emails with this scam in them to know when to be skeptical! I just want to warn everyone, in case you try to sell something in one of these online free classifieds, like Kijiji or the like. Check everything out before you hand over your property! Make SURE the check clears before you give the buyer your merchandise! NEVER give out any of your own personal banking information to the buyer! They don't need to do a 'bank transfer' to pay you directly... they can mail you a check or money order! Has anyone else experienced anything like this? I mean, this guy MIGHT be honest, but I have a VERY strong feeling that he is not and I intend to proceed with extreme caution. Have you had anyone answer a classified ad of yours in this manner?
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@Chevee (5905)
• United States
23 Jan 09
Thank Goodness you are ahead of his game. I don't think he can be trusted either all the way from Florida and he said you don't have to worry about the shipping and handling (yeah right) I am sure he does have something up his sleeves. I know if he wanted an ATV he can find one right there in Florida if he can afford the shipping and handling too. I am like you it is very hard to trust anyone these days online or off. I have never sold anything online and I want to thank you for sharing this with us so that we can be aware of things like this. If you hear from him again let us know. And let us know what information he is asking for.
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@mentalward (14690)
• United States
24 Jan 09
Hi Chevee. He wrote back with what I thought he'd write back with. He wanted to send me a "cashier's check" for $4,500.00. I'm selling the ATV for $2,500.00. He wanted me to keep $20.00 for my "troubles" and send the balance (after depositing that check in my bank) to his shipper. Imagine having a "shipper" who would charge almost $2,000.00! If he had been honest, he would have been paying $4,500.00 for something that only cost $3,700.00 brand new!!! At least these types of scammers are too stupid to see that most people can see right through them. It's not worth the jail time, to me, to "hope" that someone will fall for this scam! I sent all the information he sent to me, including his REAL telephone number, to the proper authorities, hopefully to catch this incredibly stupid thief and throw him in prison! The only information he wanted from me was my name (for the check) and address (to send the check). The scam was the fake cashier's check for $4,500.00. You'd think that these guys would be smart enough to at least pull these types of scams using realistic amounts, wouldn't you? I mean, $2,000.00 to ship something no more than 1,000 miles, and paying a grand total of $4,500.00 for something that originally only cost $3,700.00 is just plain stupid and blatantly obvious as fraud! Well, good thing they AREN'T smart enough and most people are onto them! Sometimes, I'd LOVE to be employed with the FBI or whomever it is that tracks these guys down! I'd get great enjoyment out of slamming the iron doors shut behind them! I despise people who try to take advantage of others! They're worse than any animal on the face of the Earth!
@Shar19 (8231)
• United States
23 Jan 09
Funny you mention this because we just went through something similar a few months ago. My husband was looking to buy an ATV and some guy was selling one. He claimed that he was being deployed to Iraq and needed to sell it ASAP. He also tried to get some personal information from my husband (which we didn't give him. Long story short we found out this guy had been scamming people for a while. All along he kept changing his name. He even said he was a sargent in the U.S. Army. This was all happening through Craigslist. A lot of people figured this guy out and everyone notified Craigslist and eventually the guy's accounts were all pulled. Thank goodness.
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@mentalward (14690)
• United States
23 Jan 09
Wow! Here you were, an honest 'buyer' of an ATV and here I am, an honest 'seller' of an ATV, but our timing was off! DANG! LOL My son just told me that Craigslist is notorious for scammers and spammers. It's such a shame that a few people can make life miserable for so many! I hope there's a new disease that comes along and targets only those people who try to steal money from others... "Scammer's Disease" or something like that, where they go blind, their tongue rots and their fingers fall off! Until that happens, though, we need to keep our eyes wide open! I'm glad to hear that your money was safe and that this guy got caught! I just wish he had been arrested and thrown in prison!
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@Shar19 (8231)
• United States
23 Jan 09
Hopefully he will be one day.
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• Canada
23 Jan 09
I thoroughly beleive that 'what comes around goes around'. So, he should get back what he has done to wrong others. Just let Karma take care of it.
• Regina, Saskatchewan
23 Jan 09
See this is why I use paypal. If I need to receive a payment online or send one, paypal makes it easy and safe and the 'other party' never gets any private info at all....
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• Regina, Saskatchewan
25 Jan 09
Did you also send his info to the website you were selling on? I would have. Paypal says sites like EBay and Amazon and such have a way of dealing with these people if they get reported to them. I haven't a clue how they do it, but I was advised to report to the website as well as the authorities..........just a thought.
@mentalward (14690)
• United States
24 Jan 09
That's very true, sparks! So far, I've only used PayPal myself to send or receive payment. I never even got to discuss payment with this guy before he hit me with his scam. He wrote back with what I thought he'd write back with. He wanted to send me a "cashier's check" for $4,500.00. I'm selling the ATV for $2,500.00. He wanted me to keep $20.00 for my "troubles" and send the balance (after depositing that check in my bank) to his shipper. Imagine having a "shipper" who would charge almost $2,000.00! If he had been honest, he would have been paying $4,500.00 for something that only cost $3,700.00 brand new!!! At least these types of scammers are too stupid to see that most people can see right through them. It's not worth the jail time, to me, to "hope" that someone will fall for this scam! I sent all the information he sent to me, including his REAL telephone number, to the proper authorities, hopefully to catch this incredibly stupid thief and throw him in prison! You'd think that these guys would be smart enough to at least pull these types of scams using realistic amounts, wouldn't you? I mean, $2,000.00 to ship something no more than 1,000 miles, and paying a grand total of $4,500.00 for something that originally only cost $3,700.00 is just plain stupid and blatantly obvious as fraud! Well, good thing they AREN'T smart enough and most people are onto them! Sometimes, I'd LOVE to be employed with the FBI or whomever it is that tracks these guys down! I'd get great enjoyment out of slamming the iron doors shut behind them!
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@Barb42 (4214)
• United States
24 Jan 09
Yes, you have to beware of people when you are selling something. I've only sold on Ebay, so I never had any problems since most paid through paypal. And they pay before you send out the merchandise. I would make sure I had the REAL MONEY in my possession before giving him the ATV! How is he going to get the ATV since he said he'd take care of the shipping costs which has to be high from VA to FLA. By the way, I think I'd ask for a certified check from his bank!
@mentalward (14690)
• United States
24 Jan 09
That's exactly what I do, Barb... the money is in my hand before I ship anything! This guy wanted to send me a "cashier's check" for $4,500.00. I'm selling the ATV for $2,500.00. He wanted me to keep $20.00 for my 'troubles' and send the balance (after depositing that check in my bank) to his shipper. Imagine having a "shipper" who would charge almost $2,000.00! If he had been honest, he would have been paying $4,500.00 for something that only cost $3,700.00 brand new! At least these types of scammers are too stupid to see that most people can see right through them. It's not worth the jail time, to me, to "hope" that someone will fall for this scam! I sent all the information he sent to me, including his REAL telephone number, to the proper authorities, hopefully to catch this incredibly stupid thief and throw him in prison! You'd think that these guys would be smart enough to at least pull these types of scams using realistic amounts, wouldn't you? I mean, $2,000.00 to ship something no more than 1,000 miles, and paying a grand total of $4,500.00 for something that originally only cost $3,700.00 is just plain stupid and blatantly obvious as fraud! Well, good thing they AREN'T smart enough and most people are onto them! Sometimes, I'd LOVE to be employed with the FBI or whomever it is that tracks these guys down! I'd get great enjoyment out of slamming the iron doors shut behind them!
@Barb42 (4214)
• United States
25 Jan 09
He thought he found a way to make $2,000! Well, he may find himself behind bars for extortion! He has to be a little nuts to think most people could see right through that ploy.
@Opal26 (17679)
• United States
23 Jan 09
Hey mentalward! That sure sounds scary to me! I would be very scared to sell anything online. I have heard too many stories of people being ripped off. In fact, a mylotter friend of mine had a bad experience trying to sell a piece of jewelry and almost got ripped off too. She luckily found out just in time or would have been scammed! I would make the person send a money order first before I would do anything! It is I have a girlfriend that does business on Ebay all the time with no problems. I don't know how she has never been ripped off. She buys and sells items. I personally would just not be able to trust anyone. There are just too many crazy people out there and too many people that are looking to scam!
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@mentalward (14690)
• United States
24 Jan 09
That's the truth, Opal! That myLot friend wouldn't be tattylashes, would it? Your friend's story sounds exactly like hers! I was very skeptical of this guy from the start! He sent me an email in which he told ME how he would be paying for the ATV. Nuh uh! I set the rules, not him! It was the standard scam: He wanted to send me a "cashier's check" for $4,500.00. I'm selling the ATV for $2,500.00. He wanted me to keep $20.00 for my "troubles" and send the balance (after depositing that check in my bank) to his shipper. Imagine having a "shipper" who would charge almost $2,000.00! If he had been honest, he would have been paying $4,500.00 for something that only cost $3,700.00 brand new!!! At least these types of scammers are too stupid to see that most people can see right through them. It's not worth the jail time, to me, to "hope" that someone will fall for this scam! I sent all the information he sent to me, including his REAL telephone number, to the proper authorities, hopefully to catch this incredibly stupid thief and throw him in prison! You'd think that these guys would be smart enough to at least pull these types of scams using realistic amounts, wouldn't you? I mean, $2,000.00 to ship something no more than 1,000 miles, and paying a grand total of $4,500.00 for something that originally only cost $3,700.00 is just plain stupid and blatantly obvious as fraud! Well, good thing they AREN'T smart enough and most people are onto them! Sometimes, I'd LOVE to be employed with the FBI or whomever it is that tracks these guys down! I'd get great enjoyment out of slamming the iron doors shut behind them! I despise people who try to take advantage of others! They're worse than any animal on the face of the Earth! I won't sell anyone anything without receiving payment FIRST, and making sure that it is honest money!
@Opal26 (17679)
• United States
25 Jan 09
Hey Private Eye Mentalward! Yes, It was Tattylashes! Good going! You got that one too! I didn't realize that he wanted you to cash the check and then send him money too! That really was nerve and a definite red light to a bonified scam! What a moron! Good for you for contacting the "proper authorities"! Can you imagine being that blatently stupid? He set himself up for that one!
• United States
24 Jan 09
Mentalward, I was wondering where you purchased your solar sheets from? You weren't able to purchase the "printables" were you? You gotta fill me in, as I have been wanting to buy some for a few years now, but don't want to spend the $ and then have the cheaper stuff come available. I don't know how to use this discussion board. Can you just e-mail me back at bryanthomasrick@gmail.com thanks.
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@mentalward (14690)
• United States
24 Jan 09
Wow! You must have done some searching to come up with that discussion of mine! It was so long ago! However, I'm honored that you chose my discussion as your very first one to respond to. You'll learn your way around in no time. I'll email you everything I know about those solar sheets. No, I haven't been able to buy them yet. They're supposed to become available sometime this year, though. I've just bought solar panels, one at a time. They ARE expensive now, so I just bought one here and one there, until I had enough to power my office with. The batteries needed I purchased at WalMart and all the other little things needed I got from Radio Shack. We're also right this minute (well, not this minute since it's dark outside) charging up the ATV I'm trying to sell with a solar charger! I'll look into it, though, to see if there's an expected date for these printable solar sheets to go on the market and let you know. By the way, welcome to myLot! I hope you enjoy it here as much as most of us do! Watch out, though... it's addictive!!!
@winterose (39887)
• Canada
24 Jan 09
this guy is not for real, he will have have to pay you up front from paypal or a money order before you send him a damn thing, I don't trust him at all.
@winterose (39887)
• Canada
25 Jan 09
good for you hon
@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
23 Jan 09
Thanks mentalward for the tip. What you are saying is just plain common sense but sometimes it is very lacking in most of us. It is pretty unbelievable how many people have been scammed in this way. I would never reveal my banking information and niether give money back when i receive a large cheque. I have received several simialar emails which are scam.
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• United States
23 Jun 09
not like that,but i've heard of it happening.mainly the "hold it for me,i'll send you a check" scam. i usually get the time wasters on those things,who say they'll pick it up and never show.people like either just ruin it for everybody,something that should be a simple sale.
@mentalward (14690)
• United States
23 Jun 09
If someone asked me to hold it for them, I'd tell them that I couldn't. If they want it, they'll have to buy it quickly because I'll sell it to the first person who has the cash. If they're too late, too bad.
@suruchi86 (1873)
• India
18 Jun 09
No, I've not experienced such thing as I've never sold anything online. However, like you, I also don't trust stranger, specially anybody online and don't like to disclose any of my personally information.
@mentalward (14690)
• United States
23 Jun 09
That's definitely something I think about, suruchi. I wouldn't want anyone coming over to look at it if I was home by myself, either. I'm very cautious, especially these days when most people are looking for extra money and some of them have no scruples and would rob me blind if they got the chance. I had one person tell me that he would transfer the money directly into my bank account and wanted my account number and routing number. NO WAY! Either they are very stupid or they're hoping we are. Anyone who wants to buy anything from me must be local AND bring cash. That's the only way I would trust them completely. Also, I would have my husband AND my two grown sons with me so they would not think I was an easy target.
@suruchi86 (1873)
• India
23 Jun 09
Yes, that's the smart thing to do. Sometimes it looks like that the internet has become a lawless jungle, where everybody is behaving like wild, unruly animals. They are ready to devour every unsuspecting individual.
• United States
24 Jan 09
ugh that is creepy!! i have heard of scams with that kind of stuff a lot.. but it would suck if he is ok but his address is haunting him and he just bought the house or something.. good thinking in searching for it though!!
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@lampar (7584)
• United States
24 Jan 09
There is no guarantee it is safe if you receive a money order or cashier check from him, deposit it and bank told you it is clear after few days. Now a day, all the counterfeits are in very high quality grade, it takes several months for the bank to discover the fake. I was scam once and it took a month for my bank to be notified by payer bank after it was verified and cleared. Reversal of confirmed verification of your money order or cashier check is perfectly legal here, better watch out!
@lampar (7584)
• United States
25 Jan 09
I believe it is not really everyone you can not trust, but the stranger, my friend. There are still many honest people around except few unscrupulous manage to distort our views and trust toward one another. By the way, most of these high grade counterfeit scam normally run by syndicate and consider as organized crime, which mean is not just one man running the show by himself. In some cases, financial institution also is part of the organization, so you need to be careful with payment get from an unknown person.
@messageme (2821)
• United States
29 Jan 09
I had this happen to me a couple of times. I had a couple items posted on craigslist and I recieved a couple emails indicating they wanted to buy my item I had for sale on craigslist. That is exactly how he posted it "my item" he said he just needed my info so he could send me the money and then someone was going to pick up the item. I sent him a letter back simply stating that I had more than one item on craigslist and wanted to know which item he was talking about...needless to say I never heard back from him again. this has happened a couple times so I am guessing there are lots of people out there doing it.