Why are there so many false freelance "experts" on MyLot?
By Raven1
@Raven1 (577)
Australia
January 25, 2009 11:01pm CST
I read a lot of blogs, articles, networking sites and freelance job-boards looking for ways to expand and improve my freelance writing business. I already earn a full time income, but if I think I can improve my situation even more, then of course I'm going to give it a shot. I'm a business person, so that means constantly making sure my business revenue is optimized to the best of my ability.
So when I read freelance "advice" from people who earn less money than a teenager flipping burgers at McDonalds I get so annoyed. How on earth can they be serious about giving freelance writing advice when they're clearly not successful in their own online business endeavors yet?
Isn't that the same as taking advice from a financial advisor who is bankrupt? That's insane.
The same thing happens with people promoting PTC sites. They make outrageous claims about huge incomes and I'll stake my entire annual income on it that they're also earning less money than a kid flipping burgers at Micky D's.
If I wrote hundreds of posts that told you to sign up for the sites I tell you and I know you're only going to earn $1.86 for each month worth of work you do, would you be upset? Would you be annoyed? Would be discouraged and stop writing?
I would. I think it's a shame so many talented, gifted, hard-working writers are being ripped off by sites like Associated Content and Bukisa and Triond - and then those same writers go and tell other writers to sign up so they can get ripped off too. What's up with that?
Those revenue share sites earn tens of THOUSANDS of dollars every week from your writing efforts - as does MyLot - and yet the talented writers who CREATE that profit for them are treated and paid like slaves.
There are so many respectable writing companies and content sites all over the world just begging for great writers and they'll pay you VERY well for your time and effort. You know this deep down - so why keep wasting time and effort on those revenue-share rip off sites?
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16 responses
@SydneyHazelton (4586)
• Singapore
26 Jan 09
Hi Raven,
I know where you are coming from. I have checked out your blog and I'm so glad I found it. You are like a mentor to me now. I have been writing for Triond for a year and it does not seem to be going anywhere much. So I'm going to follow the advice you give on your site to try to increase my income from writing. I agree that some of us work so hard to be paid peanuts. I guess you must understand that some of us do not have a mentor to guide us and thought that these sites would bring in the money they have always dreamed about. As such, if you are so kind to impart your knowledge and skills, it would be very much appreciated. I would love to learn from you about where to sell articles and how to earn residual income from writing. I'm a newbie at this and sometimes feel at a loss when trying to make money online from writing. Will be contacting you soon and hope you will be willing to help.
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@vsridhar36 (346)
• India
26 Jan 09
According to me no one is a freelance expert unless he earns atleast a hundred dollars for a single article written.
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@vsridhar36 (346)
• India
26 Jan 09
The sites raven quoted to earn 1000$ many have been closed for any further publication.It is waste of time that people eagerly check out.Probably if we are not a blogger, then you can't enter PPP and constant content sells articles very late.You can never get your article sold for over 15 dollars.
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@alindahaw (1219)
• Philippines
26 Jan 09
Some writers are desperate to get a job somewhere and earn a little money. I should know, I've been there, done that... It took me almost two years to get through to the good paying clients. I put in a lot of long hours slaving on low budget projects that is hardly worth my efforts. Why did I put up with all that crap? I consider those years as my investment. I figured out that if I don't start somewhere, I will not get anywhere. Now I am reaping the fruits of my investment. I work about five hours a day but still earn enough money to live comfortable and eat at fine restaurants when I feel like it. I guess we all have to make sacrifices to get somewhere. I don't really blame those writers who work on low paying jobs. Some of them simply do not have a choice...
@explorations (1712)
• United States
26 Jan 09
From what I've been seeing in my short time on MyLot - there seems to be a lot of people on here who don't really understand what a "freelance writer" is. For example, I'll make posts in response to those who are looking for good leads for work outlining my experience and how long I've been in the field (ten years) . . . and they'll reply saying that it's good that I'm doing so well despite just starting. Huh? Then, I'll receive responses saying that Helium is the best writing site ever from other users because they've earned $.86 for their 1,000 word article. Hmmm.... So, that's lead me to believe a lot of people who aren't really "freelance writers" are claiming the title because they really haven't figured out where they fit in the writing world yet. That's just my opinion, though.
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@Raven1 (577)
• Australia
27 Jan 09
Good response and an excellent point. I get the same thing all the time. I've been doing this 6 years and people just don't want to believe it can be done - even though there are thousands of freelancers making great incomes from this every day.
I've heard a lot of people call themselves 'freelance writers' but I think not many people have an accurate idea of what a freelance writer really is.
@sierras236 (2739)
• United States
27 Jan 09
It was the Helium marketplace that gave me my first success at getting published on the internet. For that and the several paychecks I have received from them, make them a site well worth starting out on. But perhaps what I value most is the mentors who are available to give my writing a boast. I will admit that those articles are not the best but it gave me a place to start. I also use those articles as handy samples when applying for jobs. The hardest part of freelancing is not researching, it is not writing the article but in looking for those high paying jobs and places to sell your article. Until you get your foot in the door and get some articles under your belt, it can be difficult to find those clients. I think it is very important to have those first steps, those first few confidence building articles you can brag to family and friends about. It is all about putting the time in to build your reputation. To get your name out there, so people will hire you. As with any job, there is a lot of competition. Probably, even more now.
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@Kashmeresmycat (6369)
• United States
26 Jan 09
Hi Raven,
I remember a few days ago someone on myLot recommended your blog. I have since put it under my favorites to read it. I kind of glanced over it quickly and plan on going back to re-read, and re-read again until it all sinks in. I too am very skeptical about the person I will take information from. I love the way you write and explain everything in an easy to understand format, which I find more honest than most.
I would love to do this but like most people, also wonder if I have anything of interest to write about, let alone, writing ability.
In the long run, I would rather take advice from someone who has done this for years, than that fry cook at McDonald's, lol! Take care.
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@Raven1 (577)
• Australia
27 Jan 09
LOL! I need to use that flipping-burgers kid at McDonalds in a few blog posts. He amuses me as a character in his own right.
When I first began freelancing, I started at the bottom end of the market like everyone else. I didn't hang out at the revenue share sites. I wrote SEO content and big on new jobs at freelance job sites like Guru and GetaFreelancer.
Then I found a mentor - someone I actively wanted to follow. She really was doing what she said she was doing and she willingly helped me to move forward too. When she figured I was set up well enough to continue on my own she said:"My payment and my fee for mentoring you to this level is to help another writer to get to where you are now."So I'm actively trying to do more than she did. She took one writer at a time - I'm actively aiming at helping hundreds at a time by networking, by blogging about how to do it, by telling every that it really is possible as long as you persist and keep learning to improve your writing skills.
It's also the best job in the world.
:)
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@Kashmeresmycat (6369)
• United States
27 Jan 09
Very cool, something like "Pay It Forward". Very nice indeed. I like that, and if I were in your postition, I would do this too.
I always see people wanting to help people but they really aren't. There's always a price somewhere, or they want you to beg for information. No Thanks.
If I could make decent money at something, I would be more than happy to help anyone out, why not? I can't figure out why people tend to be so selfish in this aspect. It's not getting them nowhere, like, what the heck? Nor does it mean they're going to lose money, it's just so confusing to me.
I like kind-hearted people and I feel you are one of them. I'm very happy to have met you through myLot. Take care, xxxooo.
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@skinnychick (6905)
• United States
26 Jan 09
Frankly, many people who write on those sites are just not that talented and would probably never get picked up by an actual publisher. There are some that are but they are few and far between.
I think there are many people sitting home thinking maybe they can make some easy money by writing. This just isn't the case, real writers are constantly honing their craft and are generally good at what they do. Good enough to reach freelance status and make money at it. I guess people think writing is easy to do and use it instead of going to school to be a better writer or getting an actual job while perfecting their craft. Some people maybe know they aren't good enough to get picked up by these companies so they write on these other sites.
I have never really viewed mylot as a writing site. It is a good wasting time site though.
So congrats to you and I wish you further writing success.
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@sunnypub (2128)
• United States
26 Jan 09
Hi Raven. I too have checked out and bookmarked your blog. There is some good advice there. I have always just wrote as a hobby but due to changes in my life right now, I really need to take it seriously and go full time so I can support myself and my daughter.
Now I am a member of Associated Content and even though I am ready to go full time and professional with my writing, I will still write for Associated Content. I just don't look at AC as a money earner, but I do enjoy getting articles up there. As someone else mentioned, I will post articles up there that are not really good enough for higher paying markets. It makes me feel good and keeps me positive to post something. And when I get that payment every month, even though it is tiny, it again makes me feel good. Those little things keep me positive and keep me going. Maybe once I actually reach the point where I am making a good full time income from other writing, I will discontinue AC but until that time I will continue to throw things up there.
Last year I got an email from AC saying that one of my articles was picked to be published in a book. The book was about school uniforms, and is mostly targeted at schools and parents, but it is a legititmate publishing company. SO I didn't get paid anything for it, but they sent me a copy. For a person just starting out being able to look at something you wrote in a book is a great feeling and a great motivator. Everyone needs to start somewhere.
I know you state that a person should have many different income sources. Well I think a person should also have many feel good sources, places where the experience, the feedback, and the friendships are worth more than the pittance you get paid. That is what AC is to me, just like MyLot. They are not really places to earn money, but to network, take a break from the seriousness of writing, and improve my writing skills. Sometimes the feedback is worth way more than any payment.
I am just getting started so I know my views may change over time but for now I still like AC but my reasons for liking them are not because of the money. I also have a few things at Constant COntent but have had no luck yet. I will keep plugging away at it though. At least in the meantime I am building a portfolio of my writing and improving with every article.
I do appreciate your advice and the help you are giving, I just think you should not condemn people for going the easy route to get a feel for writing, get feedback, improve their skills, make friendships, build a portfolio, and do what they can to get into the swing of writing professionally. Like I said earlier, everyone needs to start somewhere and if a person chooses to write for pittance to get the feel of things and build a positive attitude, then I say go for it. It is hard, emotionally, to jump into getting paid big bucks for your writing because rejections are more prominent and can really bring a person down.
I guess I just think revenue sharing sites are not bad if you are not counting them as income but instead counting them as learning tools to improve your writing and networking tools to meet new people. As long as you are not spending too much time with those sites and sending in your really good writing then they can be useful.
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@Raven1 (577)
• Australia
27 Jan 09
I'm glad to hear you're starting to move forward with your freelance career. I would never condemn a person's choice for taking low paying jobs - what I hate is that writers are forced to feel like these are their only options when they're learning and finding their feet. Bigger companies take advantage of this belief - and take advantage of the newer writers because of it. This is what I'm actively trying to stop.
You're right that everyone needs to start somewhere. After all - JK Rowling had never had anything published before in her life - and yet her first foray into publishing ... well we all know about that.
Yes, I firmly agree that all business people (even freelance writers) should have more than one source of income. And you're right about a source of fun too. I write fiction stories as my source of fun. I network to meet new writers. I write to earn money. They're all completely separate parts of my day but they're all equally important.
@vsridhar36 (346)
• India
26 Jan 09
It seems like you actually do that, You say like you have made over thousands of dollars a month, it seems like you have a blog and spreading it to everyone to join.Probably not so interesting to others.
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@BlueGoblin (1829)
• United States
26 Jan 09
Wanna earn $5,000 fast? Message me and I'll give you my paypal account. Send me $1,000 and I'll quadrupole it in two days. You can't LOSE!!!
@CRIVAS (1815)
• Canada
26 Jan 09
I agree with you, I used to write for Associated content, only to find out that I wouldn't get paid because I don't live in the US. I am taking a freelance writer's course and I was trying to make money online to help my family, while I stay at home with my two children. It is amazing how many people told me to go to that site or this site, only to find that it was a big waste of time. Honestly it has gotten to the point where I just can't bring myself to try anymore. I am content to write on here and that's about it. I know that there are sites out there where you can make money but they all want money to invest first, which is something that I don't have. I hope that you have better luck that I have.
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@forslahiri (1042)
• India
26 Jan 09
Hi,
I am a Novish & I beleive U what U ' ve said.
U ' ve said it from Ur experience & why U will get pleasure in exploiting someone's ignorance.
I respect Ur viewpoint and appreciate Ue copurage to put it here for our knowledgae.
BIG THANKS !
=Lahiri,Kolkata,India.
@x0xpinkyx0x (673)
• Brazil
27 Jan 09
Hello! Well, how do you know people are not getting enough money from sites? Do you ask for proof of income from each one of them? People can get a very good amount of money based on referrals. And yes of course there are sites out there that will tell you whatever you want to hear just so you sign up with them. And people will tell you that you'll get thousands of dollars if you sign up because they need you as they referral, that's just how it works. And as for associated content, I don't think it's bad at all, they're not forcing nobody to write for them, people write if they want to. I write for them and get a few bucks every month, and I'm not a good writer, but still they're willing to pay for things that I wrote, and I wouldn't even buy it myself!
@Infernal (135)
• Canada
26 Jan 09
I'm glad you wrote this post. I think the problem lies in not knowing where to look, or perhaps the lack of trustworthy, legitimate sites online that pay for freelance work.
I signed up with Associated Content, and have written a few articles, but I cannot put the effort and research into a quality article only to get offered a "fantastic" amount of $3-5.00.
I don't know where else to look, and other sites like Helium (and perhaps Constant Content) require you to meet a minimum payout level before "cashing out".
I'd love to make my living as a writer, or to make a part-time living as a freelance writer, but I find that difficult to do with the perceived lack of resources available. I suppose it also doesn't help that I haven't decided on a specific area to concentrate my efforts on.
If you've got any tips to share, I'm sure many of us would appreciate it. People have mentioned your profile/blog; I will go check that out. Thanks :)
@jpedrasa91120 (61)
• Philippines
26 Jan 09
I am new to this site and to online-working, as a whole! For a couple of days ago, I have been browsing the net trying to find at least one reliable/scam-free online job that pays fairly. I solicit pieces of advice from this site and to my surprise, I receive several replies from MYLOTTERS giving me different freelance and data entry sites, and blogs to check out!!
I try a freelance site, pass the qualification test (after 3 attempts! LOL) and right now, still in the process of applying for a competitive online job....
Can you recommend a site or a company where I can be rest assured that my time and efforts will be fairly compensated?