Would you, or did you pay for your teenager's insurance so they can drive?
By LuckyLadyD
@LuckyLadyD (359)
United States
January 28, 2009 6:41am CST
My son is 17, and still doesn't have a permit to drive. I took a look at how much it would cost for us to add him to our policy, and the cost pretty much triples.
Do you think I should pay for his insurance, pay for part of it, or should he pay it all.
He just started a job, which we have been trying to get him to do for a few years now, and he likes to pay video games. So, the video games are much more important to him than saving money for a car, and insurance.
But, he wants his permit, and a car. I don't mind helping him if he sacrifices to help pay for it, but he wants me to foot the whole bill for the car and insurance.
To me, it's like giving him everything on a silver platter. I don't think he will appreciate the sacrifice I am making, and take care of the car, let alone strive for a clean driving record.
A year ago he got into trouble, had to go to court, paid a find, and had is drivers priviledge suspended for a while. I was constantly in his ear because what he did to get in trouble not only disrespected me, and my house, but could have very well landed me behind bars!
Am I doing it all wrong?
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@annjilena (5618)
• United States
29 Jan 09
no i did not pay for my daughter to drive it was her choice to be responsible to learn to drive and get her permit and finally got her license.then she purchased her car.by her doing that she appreaciated it more.and this what happen for her.
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@LuckyLadyD (359)
• United States
31 Jan 09
That's exactly what I mean.
How can I expect him to appreciate, and take care of it if I give it to him.
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@gamingworld (577)
• United States
28 Jan 09
Nope, they want to drive then they gotta get a job. And then they will have to pay for there own insurance. Teenagers are all grown up they can do things themselves and the parent must make them see the point of the rest of there life. The parent cant be there all the time. They need to learn responsibility, if they dont have a job..too bad, no care for you. So tell him if he gets good grades and respects you then he can get a permit, drivers ed, and a car. Something to motivate him. Thats how you get teenagers to do something, give them a goal.
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@LuckyLadyD (359)
• United States
31 Jan 09
He's got the job. I just need to see him save hs money.
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@lingli_78 (12822)
• Australia
28 Jan 09
i don't have a child yet at the moment... but when i do have one in the future, i will make sure that i won't give them everything on the silver platter... especially if they already have a job... they must be taught to understand the value of money and they will appreciate more of the things they have if they pay for them... so i will suggest that you don't pay for his insurance fully if he wants to drive and he has to try to buy his own car... even the second hand one... take care and have a nice day...
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@LuckyLadyD (359)
• United States
31 Jan 09
My sentiments exactly.
I plan on sitting him down with the computer, showing him how much we pay now, and how much it will cost when we add him so he can see how much it jumps.
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@shakadoodoo (737)
• Dallas, Texas
28 Jan 09
If you are old enough to drive your are old enough to get a job - I am learning right now as well - My stpe daughter has no responsibility because I have gave in with her so much. Its not going down with the rest of my kids!
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@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
29 Jan 09
Well, I'm gonna be paying my Mom for the joint insurance until I'm eighteen in work. I'll being paying her in fruits and vegetables, mostly...but it'll be a start. It'll give me a couple...well a year and less than a half to try to save us, at least...and it's best for both of us that I can set up my life.
Because of the economy, I can't exactly leave home...and she can't have me leave either, because we need to support eachother...so that we can manage this is cool.
At least have him try to pay you back, or offset it. He needs to learn responsibility or else he won't do well in life at all. Do what you have to...for his future, and make the best decisions you can.
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@LuckyLadyD (359)
• United States
1 Feb 09
He xParanoiax and thank you for your message.
It's good to hear that you and your mom can support, and help each other.
As to my son, he's young, and I'm really trying to teach him that he needs to do his best to take care of himself. I'm not going to be around forever, and I would like to see him show he can sacrifice for the things he wants.
I do plan on helping at some point, but I don't want him to think that I'm going to give him everything he wants just because he wants it.
I explained to him that as soon as he get a permit, our insurance will jump. I want him to have the money ready for when that happens, and be prepared to pay it every month.
He just started a new job, and I can tell he's looking forward to getting paid.
I also told him that if he is a responsible driver, his rates should drop in three years and that he should take advantage of the fact that he's living under my roof where he doesn't have to worry about the true expenses of living every day.
@firemountain (60)
• United States
30 Jan 09
hi there
let me tell you what we did to my son.
he had been working since he was 16. we didn't charge him for nothing
since he was going to school. butttt by the time he was 19 it was getting old
he's a real good kid. but he was moving in to man hood.
he had a car, but wouldn't drive it. so ever daywe drove him to school. we went w 12 miles one way.we live in the mountains.then at 11 pm we had to go get him from work.
and start all over again the next day. so my husband and my self agread.
that we would set a time for him to save and get his insurance, lisence and
since he already had a car, but refused to drive. we gave him one mounth.
oh he was mad, he said, how will i get to work. (not my problem) but he say's he's glad we did that, cause it gave him a chanch to have a life.and with in 2 years he had a job with the sheriffs office and bought a home. and did move on in to man hood.sometimes you have to give them a little responsabilty.and make them feel like earning, your's as well as there on self respect.if you alway's give, or through a pellow under them, when your no longer around. there tost in to a world.
(what do i do now)if you teach them right.while your around it will stick with them. may God lead you right
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@firemountain (60)
• United States
4 Mar 09
He sounds like a resonable young man.
and you sound like your a reasonable parent
he'll do the right thing. you've done a your part.
he's got his wings.now stand back and watch him soar.
@LuckyLadyD (359)
• United States
4 Mar 09
Hi firemountain,
That's exactly what I'm trying to avoid while stressing the importance of working, saving money and getting the first three years of driving under his belt.
He's working 2 jobs, saving his money and going to school. We seem to be heading in the right direction, and I don't plan on carting nhim around for the rest of his life.
Things seem to be progressing well. Well have to see what happens when the time comes to take the next step.
@tammytwo (4298)
• United States
28 Jan 09
My son is 18 and we pay a portion of his insurance. He pays $50 a month and we pay $30 of his insurance. We do this because he needs a car and needs transportation to and from school, work and sports. But we don't want to have to transport him back and forth, as we are busy with our own things as well. We also made him pay for half the cost of his vehicle when we first bought it. I think as long as he knows it isn't a long term thing it isn't bad to help him out.
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@LuckyLadyD (359)
• United States
31 Jan 09
Hi tammytwo, and thank you for your response
I only wish the increase in the insurance were to be this low.
Where we live, I'm talking about $400 a month more than we already pay which is over $200 a month now.
It's just too much money at a time when we could loose our jobs at any time.
I alread told him I would help with the car, but I need to see him work and sacrifice to save first.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
29 Jan 09
Tell him he has to pay it himself. He has to make a choice, either video games or car insurance. I had to make a choice, either buy a car, even a second hand one, or get an apartment and to this day, except for a few months, I have not driven a car. I got my license, but could not afford to pay for it and my husband threw it the license away and it was not as if I was stocking up up tapes and tape players or quadrophonic players.
But your son is living at home, and the only stuff he has is a bunch of video games, a player, and the car and insurance. Tell him he has to pay for his part of insurance, the whole bit. And no more video games unless he can do both. Oh and he has to pay his court costs as well when he gets into trouble.
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
4 Mar 09
That is like a good idea. We did not have to pay for our sons's insurance as they were already working part time. But we did not charge them for board and room so that could have something to do with it. It was because they were saving for university. So if your son pays for most of it and as he makes more, is able to pay more, it should work.
@LuckyLadyD (359)
• United States
4 Mar 09
Hi suspensful;
He's now working two jobs, saving his money, going to school. We continue to talk, and things seem to be falling into place.
He understands the extent of the help I'm willing to offer, and what the conditions are. So, we'll see what happens when it's time to actually get the insurance quotes.
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@maidangela7349 (1191)
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29 Jan 09
I agree with a lot of the answers. He is your son and you need and want to give him support but he has got to learn to take responisiblilty for his actions so you need to lay it on the line for him. Tell him how much you are prepared to give him in support and point out what it is costing then after that it is down to him and stick to that
@maidangela7349 (1191)
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4 Mar 09
Hi Luckylady
Don't forget the most important thing to do and at times the hardest. "Whatever is decided STICK TO IT." Once you relent then all is lost
@LuckyLadyD (359)
• United States
4 Mar 09
Hi maidangela;
Yes, we have sat down, I've laid down the rules and let him know what I'm willing to do based on what he does or doesn't do.
He still has no car, but is working and saving all his pay. I hope to eventually get to the point where we can start looking at cars and getting insurance quotes but that's still a while off.
@ladysakurax (1161)
• Canada
29 Jan 09
AT that age, alot of young men do accidents so obviously that's why the insurance is costly. As i am studying in actuary, I woudl recommand you to wait a little instead when he will become a bit more mature so he would be more careful while driving. You will certainly pay less accidents and insurance fees. Btw, he is still going to school? he should concentrate in his studies and get the car later. I think school is more important. When he will get a real job when he graduates, he will be able pay himself all the bills. I think you should save the trouble for later. Tell him to take the bus and use the subway.
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@LuckyLadyD (359)
• United States
4 Mar 09
Hi ladysakurax;
You may be right, but I've been talking to him, and he seems to be listening.
I think he finally realizes I'm not trying to hurt him, but base my decisions on what is best for him. No matter how old a person is, the first three years of getting a license is the most expensive. He knows it's not a good ideas to break the rules, and laws, and that it's best he pay the first three years of insurance while living at home as he has less responsiblities then.
He's now working 2 jobs and going to school, and he's saving his money. All positive signs that he's listening, and willing to do his part.
@thebeaddoodler (4262)
• Lubbock, Texas
17 Feb 09
I'm an old fogey and raised my children the best way I could. They all worked to buy their own clothes and most of the time their school supplies simply because I couldn't. Putting a roof over their heads and food on the table was all I could manage. The four oldest ones all bought their own first cars and insurance wasn't mandatory back then. The fifth one was different. I had a good job and only one to support. I could have bought her first car, but I wouldn't. She needed to start learning responsibility, and I made her buy her own first car, but I did put her on my insurance and paid for it. Later, I did buy her another car, but only after she's shown the responsibility to drive carefully and take care of her property.
Today I think a lot of parents grew up like my kids did and don't want their kids to know that kind of hardship, but they give them so much and as so little of them that they don't learn responsiblilty.
Having said all that, No! You shouldn't buy him a car and if he's already proven himself irresponsible he needs to do something to regain your trust. Why should you make that sacrifice to buy him a car and pay for his insurance while he spends all his money on video games? He's old enough to start showing some responsibility and should be growing out of that horrible disrespectful age that so many teens go through.
@LuckyLadyD (359)
• United States
4 Mar 09
Hi thebeaddoodler:
I only have the one child, and we are lucky enough to have lived a good life. We traveled a lot, went on cruises, etc.
So, he's used to nice things. He's now working 2 jobs and saving his money. He's still in school, and we are talking.
I do believe he's listening, and he understands what I'm trying to do. Let's see how he handles the next step, but for me, so far so good.
Take care....
@baileycows (3665)
• United States
28 Jan 09
Well my daughter is only 8, but I think that the least they could do was get a job and pay for the insurance. Now if it is really high because of whatever reason then maybe they need to pay half, but you know I am only 27 and my parents made me buy my car and pay my insurance. I don't see where 10 years later parents are buying their kids everything. I survived having to buy my own. What is wrong with kids? My daughter is 8 and says she wants a corvette when she turns 16 LOL! I sd get a job now honey!
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@LuckyLadyD (359)
• United States
28 Jan 09
Hi baileycows, and thank you for responding to my discussion.
Your opinion means so much to me. And I like you started this similar discussion with my son when he was younger, but he still expects me to just pay it.
I agree, I could pay half, but I won't unless I see he's saved a considerable amount of money. Not to say I'll make him exhaust his funds entirely, but I feel he needs to learn that driving, and paying your bills are a responsibility that often leave us with no money for the fun stuff.
Our children live in a world of instant gratification, so working towards a goal is a foreign language to them....at least to mine teenager!
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@hibiscus_mel (719)
• United States
28 Jan 09
We also have a 16-year old son who wants to have a car. We will definitely give him a car of he can pay for his own insurance. If we teach children the value of money now is the time to do that because if not now then when? I think my husband has learned a lot from his older kids that why he is learning the lesson.;-)
If your kid knows how to drive the car then he is responsible enough to answer whatever will happen to him so he should be able to pay his own insurance. He can even pay video games and why not with insurance.;-)
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@LuckyLadyD (359)
• United States
28 Jan 09
Hi hibiscus_mel and thank you for responding to my discussion.
It's hard for me to give my son a car, only because so far he has shown little respect, or appreciation for the things I have already 'given' him.
For instance, I've taken him out and spent a good amount of money on shoes, and clothes that he didn't even wear. He constantly complained he didn't have anything to wear, or needed a new pair of sneakers, but when I searched out all of those things I bought, the were sitting in a pile, untouched!
I talk to him all the time about many things, one being how hard it is to make money. If he can't show his appreciation for the money I spent on his clothes, how can I expect him to take care of a car unless he has to use his hard earned money to help buy it?
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@fgf9393 (11)
• United States
29 Jan 09
Well, from the point of view of a teenager, Your kids live under your roof until their 18, which means that they are under your financial support.
On the other hand, he is 17 and plenty old enough to get a job, so you can or you may not.
looking at the circumstances I would say "no" though... it depends, did you restrain him from getting his permit? cuz if you did then I would say yes...
@twoey68 (13627)
• United States
27 Feb 09
Although I don't have kids...if I did I wouldn't pay for their car or their insurance. That's part of the responsibility of becoming a driver. I might, might go halves on the car depending how much it was and how good of a car it is...but they'd have to come up with their half and the money for insurance first.
Too many times parents pay for it all only for the kid to wreck it or something...they have appreciation for it b/c it didn't cost them anything.
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@LuckyLadyD (359)
• United States
4 Mar 09
Hi twoey;
That's pretty much my take on it. If you have to work hard for something, you tend to appreciate it more and take care of it better.
We've talked a lot, he's wrking 2 jobs and saving this money. Let's see how it goes.....
Take care....
@angelwithkids (1256)
• United States
29 Jan 09
i'm with you on this!! in arkansas, children are allowed to get their permits at the age of 14, i made my daughter earn her right to get it. she had to make a decent set of grades, which made her study more. help around the house w/out being told or reminded for the rest of the school year. she'll be turning 16 this year, and she's already told me that she wants to get a job so she can get her own car and pay for her insurance. it's up to us parents to teach our children about responsibilities. we have to pay our bills and it's not always fun. when they see that the bills are paid and there's just a little extra money for a new movie or game or whatever, you appreciate it more. i also realize that girls are a little easier to teach than boys. my son will be 14 in a couple of months and he's nowhere ready to be a responsible driver. even with the help of my daughter, i can see that he's just not ready.
@LuckyLadyD (359)
• United States
4 Mar 09
Hi angelwithkids;
I've put a lot of rules down too, and have talked and talked. He's now working two jobs, and saving his money.
Well see hw things go, but he know's my help will be determined on how responsible he is with what he needs to do.
@littletinker (273)
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29 Jan 09
Not only would you be paying for his insurance but you would be also letting him use your car,.....and then when will it end?
"I need the car"...."You cant have the car"...."But Ive arranged blah blah now".... "Well youll have to go on the bus".
Make him stand on his own two feet and work for what he wants.
And while you are at it...take his video games off him too. He will never get a job with those sitting in front of him.
@LuckyLadyD (359)
• United States
4 Mar 09
Hi littletinker:
We have had several discussions about working, saving money, drivers license, car, prom & limo, graduation, and college.
Right now he's working two jobs, and he deposits his pay as soon as he gets it. He's still in high school, but I do believe what I'm saying is sinking in and I do see a lot of improvemet.
We are waiting to hear from colleges now, and planning for the prom. He has his date, the tickets paid for and the limo he wants. He'll be graduating in June, and turning 18. Life is going on, and I really do believe he's doing as I ask.
At this point, he knows he's to pay the insurance, and his car so progress is being made. I pray we stay on track with little arguments.
Thanks again.....
@bookreadermom08 (5614)
• United States
27 Feb 09
No, if you front the bill you are not teaching him any responsibility at all and he will never learn anything from it... if he gets a job and can save for 1/2 of insurance and part of the car...then consider it.. helping is one thing.. but putting it all out is not the way to teach kids now a days..
for me personally when I was growing up I had to have a job and keep it for 6 months, and open a savings account and prove that I could put money into it... then my parents bought me a car.. just a old beater car (79 chevette...hey it was my vette LOL).. anyway, they bought me a car and put me on there insurance and for 3 months out of six I had to pay them 75.00 a month to cover myself... and it was much much cheaper that way...
now my son and daughter are 5 and 1.... when they get older I will instill the same since I learned the responsibility of being able to take care of a car when I had just got my drivers license and the value of money --so I think my parents did the right thing and I will do it that way.
@Erusaro (27)
• United States
29 Jan 09
Well if your son got in trouble like you said and it was something very bad which it sounds like it might have been I would say you shouldn't pay for anything. But also I understand wanting to get him a car because its a big step for a teenager I'm currently in college and the car was very important for me to do things now and in highschool even. Me and my parents split the cost of everything though, for the car and for the insurance. We worked it out this way eventually after haggling over cars and things like that because I wanted whatever I could get but they refused to let me get anything without airbags and stuff like that so they agreed to match whatever I paid as long as I would pay for half of the insurance. It works out quite well this way and it did help me learn to have to pay a bill every month at a moderate price and my parents could always cover it if I couldn't for some reason, though I always could.
@LuckyLadyD (359)
• United States
4 Mar 09
Hi Erusaro;
I appreciate your input, and your experience is exactly what I want for my son. Although I may not tell him, I do hope to be able to help him. I'm not expecting him to do it all alone, but I do want him to work and save to pay it.
I want him to know how expensive insurance is, and it's a must for driving legally. I want him to know what it's like to work and save his money so he can achieve the goal of having the money to pay the insurance, buy a car and keep it on the road.
I want him to know that in order to get anything in life, you have to work for it, and save. I want him to realize that sometimes you have to go without in order to have what you really need.
He's now working 2 jobs, and I'm making him deposit his checks. He doesn't really need any money because we pay for everything. Plus I've been in his ear about how my insurance is going to go up as soon as he gets his license whether he plans on driving my car or not.
I'm trying to get him to see that having a license is a responsibility, having a car is a responsibility, and having a job is a responsibility.
There are so many things I'm trying to teach him, and the most important thing is I'm trying to help him. I would rather he get his license and pay his first three years insurance while under my roof with little responsibility then being out on his own having to pay all the bills himself.
As long as I see he's working, and saving his money, I have no problem helping him get a car, and the insurance.
Thanks again for your insight....
@umcane86 (65)
• United States
29 Jan 09
My parents paid for my insurance through high school. I got a ticket when I was 17 and I got "the talk." I paid my ticket and my traffic school to not have it go on my record, but if I had ever gotten into any more trouble I was cut off. I thought it was fair of them as it taught me some personal responsibility while I was busy with 9 AP classes over my last 2 years of high school.
@LuckyLadyD (359)
• United States
4 Mar 09
I come from a big family who never gave me anything. I had to work hard all my life for every thing I have.
My son on the other hand is an only child who has lived a very charmed life. He's had everything pretty easy and I feel he needs to have a taste of real life.
I don't mind helping him, but he's got to show my he's willing to make the sacrifice it takes to have, and keep a car.
You were lucky to have parents who did that for you. Maybe if my parents had, I would feel different about my son.
He has all of 2 classes, works part time, and is getting ready for Prom and graduation. Of course prom will include a nice limo paid for my yours truly which I feel is only fitting since he worked hard in honors classes to get through high school.
The next big hurdle.....college. He's fortunate in that respect too. He gets it all paid for......