Socialized Medicine?

United States
February 16, 2009 7:29am CST
Wouldn't we be better off trying to socialize medicine as a whole with these economic solutions?
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@JodiLynn (1417)
• United States
17 Feb 09
It seems to work so very well in so many other countries. There are no shortages of Dr's in France, England, Canada, Cuba, Scotland, Finland, or any other civilized nation. I detest Michael Moore as a person, but really, give "sicko" a glance, you just may change your perspectives.
• Canada
17 Feb 09
Call me stupid, but who is Michael Moore, what does it have to do with the subject here and I don't understand the "sicko" remark. But I want to. Please explain.
• Canada
18 Feb 09
Thanks. I did a quick internet search, but just found out he was a comedian and wasn't interested in researching him further. I hoped you would explain your reference, as you have, so I could understand the comment. My 2 favourite comedians were Eddie Murphy and George Carlin. Saw both down in Toronto years ago. I've never gone in for the ones that do those 'nasty' or 'gimmick' routines, so I guess that's why I never ran across MM's work.
@JodiLynn (1417)
• United States
17 Feb 09
"Sicko" was documentary done by Michael Moore (www.michaelmoore.com) extolling the virtues of socialized medical care. He represented many countries, but blasted the US's health care system (rightly so, IMO).
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• United States
16 Feb 09
i don't think we would. it sounds nice to have affordable healthcare for all. but problems start happening when everyone can have stuff for free. they start going for no reason. then the ones with real problems get frustrated with the long waits and stops going. doctors wont have any incentive to do a good job because they get paid the same no matter their reputation. some doctors will leave the country in search for freer countries for better opportunities. then shortages start, which means closing local clinics and hospitals. now you have to drive to a major city to get a checkup or get a diagnosis for a simple cold. i am definetly not for it. i've been to great britain, and the complaints over there have gotten so bad, that they have open some market based health care competition. canada is the same way. it just hasn't got that bad yet.
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• Canada
17 Feb 09
Canada is fine! We have no troubles finding doctors or going to clinics or emergency rooms. They do triage at the emerg, of course, the most life threatening go first, NOT THE FIRST TO PAY! I am in Canada fella, so I know what it's like to live here. So you think it's okay to refuse treatment to someone because they haven't got enough money?
• United States
17 Feb 09
i'm talking about specialists and non-emergency surgeries.
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• Canada
18 Feb 09
Sure, you have to wait for non-emergency appts with specialists. But that's because it's non-life threatening. They are just busy with more urgent cases that are life threatening. Elective surgery, like a b00b-job are not covered, and those would be last for sure, because they have nothing to do with your health. If you have a 'real problem' you will never get frustrated with the wait to see a doctor and stop going. What, just stay sick, when it costs you nothing. I don't think so. The time will pass regardless, so may as well stay on the list. Impatience is NOT a virtue. If something is worth waiting for, you wait. Dr.s don't cut corners because of who signs their paycheques. They still get paid and it is a fair payment. And our way, they DO get paid. And none of them are allowed to gouge like they do in the US, making it only for the rich. I don't think I would like to be seen by a Dr. who's first concern is getting paid. I want a Dr. who cares about my health and making people better. Why would you waste time going to a Dr. in another city for a common cold that a Dr. can do NOTHING ABOUT? It is a virus. I would say that GB and the US are exact opposites when it comes to health care. Both are extremes at either end and therein lies the flaw. Canada, however, is in between. Maybe you should come and visit here sometime, you may be so impressed you might want to stay.
@spoiled311 (5500)
• Philippines
16 Feb 09
hi volcom! well that would really be nice indeed. but that would take a lot of effort on the part of the pharmacy as they would have to dig up who is who and who deserves what to get what price. hehe that would be a difficult thing to set up. in my country, we could not even set up a foolproof voting system. lol anyway, that is wishful thinking and would be good for the consumers. i wonder if how it will affect the manufacturers. ??? hehe i guess they will just get good money from the rich people. problem is, there are more people in this world than the rich ones. hehe take care and God bless youj! happy mylotting! :D
• United States
16 Feb 09
I don't think it is a good idea. Look at how efficient the government runs programs. Do you want the same people who were in charge of helping with Katrina in charge of your healthcare? Do you want our hospitals to be in the same shape as our schools today? It sounds great. I would love for everyone in the world to get the best healthcare possible. It just doesn't work. Doctors wages would start to fall so the government could pay them. Then they would lose incentive to do good work. Worse of all, students would lose incentives to go to the proper schools to get the proper training. Lines would be outrageous. People would have less incentive to take care of their bodies. This could lead to a worsening physical condition of the average American. Sure, it sounds great in theory, but I really don't think it would work.
• United States
18 Feb 09
I'm glad that the system works for you. I'm sorry to hear about your situation, but it sounds like your socialized healthcare has done most that you have needed. If I thought that America could run the program, then I would be glad to participate in that program. I am not convinced that the American government can run such a large program. I also am not a believer in giving the government much power either. To each his own. I'm glad it works for you!
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• Canada
18 Feb 09
Quite honestly, I don't think I would trust YOUR gov't either. But who knows, maybe there will be change for good with Obama. I live in hope. Only time will tell. Yes, I feel very fortunate to live in Canada, that's for sure. I am very disappointed with the US government's choices on MANY issues. Mostly because of how it affects us here, since we seem to be such close friends we often mirror each other so much, as nations. My greatest fear is that Canada will continue to follow the US lead on too many key issues that make Canada, well, Canada. We have always been know to be a peace loving nation that takes care of it's own, but defends it's allies. I resent being dragged into some of Bush's war mongering efforts. I'm very glad he is out.
@patms1 (521)
• United States
17 Feb 09
England and Canada both have socialize medicine. It is one of the worst systems in the world. The rich don't use. They have private medicine. If Canadians need surgery they come to America. We are too big a country to have free medical for all. You would have to wait months for an appointment and still might not get a good doctor. I think we should make medical insurance affordable which we could if we stopped the Medicare thieves. As it is the insurance companies are taking more and more away from us. Lets tell government to start doing their job and protect us from the thief's we call medical insurance.
@BeckyAnn (265)
• United States
17 Feb 09
Socialized medicine? Please. Again, emphasizing the sarcasm: PUH-LEASE. If we have socialized medicine, I'll MOVE. Like out of the country. If the government controls the medical profession, it'll be a monopoly, which eliminates competition, which lets everyone slack. The result of free government-controlled medicine will go somewhat thusly: The hypochondriacs will start going again and again. Hey, they have nothing to stop them, IT'S FREE. Tey'll get ahead of other people who need attention. Munchhausen's will be less likely to be diagnosed, I'll bet. The doctors don't care, they just had to run through a nice little government test and -SHAZAM- Degree and accreditation! They get a nice government salary. The poor victims of Munchhausen's will need attention, the minor injuries will take precedence, the record keeping will be useless (betcha it won't even be kept at a point), and the care will end up sub-par. But that's just a worst-case scenario. BUT! Would you REALLY trust you medical care to a system that only wants you alive to get $$$?
• Canada
18 Feb 09
goldeneagle..... Here in Canada it sort of works like that, too, except of course you, the patient just show your "Health Card" and the gov't foots the bill, so you aren't worried about payment. But your Family Physician is supposed to screen people who want to clog up the Specialists, to make sure that they 'need' a Specialist and that type of specialist. Plus, to justify the cost of the Specialist. But even that is getting more lenient. Some specialists, you can just find and call up yourself and make an appt with. They can just call your Dr. and ask for copies of your medical records to see if a visit with them IS warranted. And Chiropractors, too. We used to have to get a "referral" from our Family physician, for it to be covered. But my husband's benefits package with his Union covers our visits there, up to a maximum of $500/yr each, without anyone referring us. Every Dr. you visit now, just sends copies of whatever they did to or for you back to them for a central database of all your medical treatments. Your family physician isn't always responsible for referring you any more. It reduces alot of red tape and is a definite improvement.
@JodiLynn (1417)
• United States
18 Feb 09
wow, I really couldn't have said it any better Annie. Listen to Annie, Becky, she knows stuff!
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