would you start a family even if you can't afford it?
@doc_alma_jones (822)
Philippines
February 19, 2009 8:48pm CST
if you didn't have the resources to sustain a family, would you still start a family?
do you think it is irresponsible to have a baby and not be able to give it an education, good healthcare, a good shelter, and enough food?
do you think it's alright to have a baby even if you don't have the money to provide for the baby, as long as you will love the baby?
would you knowingly get pregnant because you desire it? or will you wait to be able to afford it?
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@TLChimes (4822)
• United States
20 Feb 09
I started mine before I should have and I wouldn't wish that road on anyone. But I still tried my best to what I could to look out for their future.
If everyone waited till they could "afford" children... no one have kids. It won't happen. too many people don't or can't afford the pervention. (heavy on the won't)
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@doc_alma_jones (822)
• Philippines
20 Feb 09
i think it's really hard to start a family only when you're financially ready. exactly because even while single, some people aren't exactly financially stable.
but although you said you started your family before you should have, i think you did start it with at least the capacity to provide basic needs. even if it might mean getting help from parents initially, i believe you were actually capable. ^_^ so don't sweat it, you did a good job.
on the other hand, a lot of underprivileged families (i'm talking families in the squatters area) won't be able to start families if they wait till they're financially capable, that's true. perhaps in an ideal world where the government can provide the basics for kids, then things are easier to swallow.
but i can't help feel that some don't even care about being stable and they merely want to have kids without at least thinking of the children's future. for example, some of my aunts and uncles didn't even think about the (financial) repercussions of starting a family. they just jumped into it willingly. i then end up having cousins who want to be employed (at eight years old!) as our household help since their parents can't provide for them.
that outrages me a little bit. perhaps if it was unintended, or if at least they KNEW it was going to be hard and anticipated it, it would have been better. but no; they just wanted to have kids, and they couldn't care less if those children got an education or not. (my mother has sent 10 of my cousins and her own siblings to school because their own parents can't do it.)
that said, every situation is unique. i just wish that when i have my own kids, i can really afford to give them the best possible life! ^_^
@cher913 (25782)
• Canada
20 Feb 09
the thing is if you wait til you can afford to have a family, then you will never have kids, but seriously, it takes a lot of planning to have kids and the thing is, you need to have some money behind you when you have kids, they are so expensive!!
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@doc_alma_jones (822)
• Philippines
21 Feb 09
so what will you do personally if you were in this situation? =)
@gemini_rose (16264)
•
20 Feb 09
This is a hard one, I have known of people to say they will wait to have a child until they can afford and then never be in the position of affording. I was 17 when I found out I was pregnant, I had nothing but I managed and my child never really suffered he is 17 now and is due to go in the RAF, he works part time and has never really gone without anything.
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@doc_alma_jones (822)
• Philippines
21 Feb 09
it's good you managed quite well. :)
i believe your situation is different from the scenario most people are trying to paint in this discussion. your circumstances are absolutely fine because you never intended to start a family and you never intended to not care about finances.
but there are actually other people who don't care aout prividing for their children. all they care about is having kids because "they are fun" and "they look nice running in the backyard." and they never care about providing their needs.
now, that scenario i just painted is not so cool. but having an unplanned pregnancy is not the same as that scenario. ^_^
i'm glad you are providing what your family needs and deserves. ^_^
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@walijo2008 (4644)
• United States
20 Feb 09
I don't think I would try to start a family if I knew I couldn't afford to take care of it, if I'm barely taking care of myself. I do think its irresponsible to have a baby you can't take care of, thats why we've got so many children in foster homes today waiting to be adopted because the parents couldn't take care of them so somebody else has to. I don't think its the child's fault, but I think people should be more mature when it comes to having kids, and making sure they are financially stable first. I don't think its alright to have a baby if you don't have the money to provide for it, a baby needs more than just love to survive in this world. I would wait till I was ready to have a baby, and was able to raise it and take care of it like I should first.
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@lynnemg (4529)
• United States
20 Feb 09
WHen I had my first child, I was not financially stable at all, but I would have never thought about giving him up. I felt that I got pregnant, now, I had to take care of him.
I don't think that money creates a good parent. I also think that for many people, when they have a baby before they are really ready,they often times grow up and get responsible pretty fast.
It would have been nice to have been more financially stable when I had my kids, but to be honest, I feel that I had them all at the right times in my life, no matter what my financials were at that time.
I don't think I would have purposely gotten pregnant with any of my kids when I got pregnant. They were all surprises. I think that before a woman gets pregnant intentionally, she really needs to think it over and make sure she can provide for that child.
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@doc_alma_jones (822)
• Philippines
20 Feb 09
i appreciate your story. that is totally acceptable in my eyes, as you always had their future in your mind (contrary to people who simply want to have kids for the sake of it, no matter what happens to those kids).
i am not worried about people who seem not to have financial stability if they are actually thinking of how to get out of that situation. i DO worry about people who simply don't care, who need to have kids and don't care if those kids get an education or not.
it's those people i worry about because they think of kids as icing or decorations. you, clearly, did not think that way. you are lucky to have children, and they're lucky to have you as their parent.
@wyethlovesyou (349)
• Philippines
20 Feb 09
hello there. Good day to you.
I wouldn't even dare to start a family If I cannot do my responsibilities. No matter how much you love your baby but if you cannot give him/her what he deserves in life then it is really useless. You should give the baby his/her needs because that's the true essence of love that you can give to to him/her.
Having a family is one of the greatest things in life. You need to take care of it, handle it with care, and everything. Family is not just a thing/term that you can play of, it is a decision to make that will inspire you to do better with your life.
Better love yourself first before starting a family.
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@doc_alma_jones (822)
• Philippines
21 Feb 09
yes, some people define love as just an emotion, which is totally wrong. if you really LOVE your family, you should SHOW it. you should at least try to prepare for a family before starting it. deliberately starting a family and throwing caution to the wind is not love at all.
it may be different when the family starts accidentally. hehe. these people didn't mean to get pregnant. but when someone simply doesn't care about providing for their future kids and they just sprout babies like they're mushrooms, then that's not acceptable to me.
@academic2 (7000)
• Uganda
21 Feb 09
I think you dont have to postpone marriage or the natural effort to have a family merely on grounds that you have nothing to support your family. Life is a struggle, and anybody living will always try to stay alive and survive. Frankly when I married, i didnt have much and me and my family have survived to this day.
@checapricorn (16061)
• United States
20 Feb 09
[i]Hi alma,
I will not start a family when I am not financially and emotionally ready. It will be a great risk for me and my future family.
It is unfair to have kids once we know we can't support them and provide them their basic needs.[/i]
@doc_alma_jones (822)
• Philippines
21 Feb 09
yes, it may indeed be unfair for kids to starve...
this is quite a difficult scenario. but i am glad you are willing to wait until you save some money before you start a family. that way, your children have a fighting chance for a good life. ^_^
thanks for sharing your views, checapricorn. =)
@22angel22 (450)
• United States
20 Feb 09
I will wait a few years from now. I can't afford to have a child and would never have one if I couldn't afford it.
I don't like that many people have children, can't afford it, and then live off the government and our tax dollars
@doc_alma_jones (822)
• Philippines
20 Feb 09
well, your country is better off as there is such a thing as welfare. my country, on the other hand, doesn't even have welfare! can you imagine that?
couples who can't afford children yet have them end up getting poorer than when they first started their family.
it's good that you're taking the time to deliberate as to when to have a family. it's very responsible. ^_^
@lisa0502 (1724)
• Canada
20 Feb 09
I have been in this situation before. My husband was working a really good job. We had planned our one child. Then he became ill and could not work anymore. Then we found out that we were going to have another baby. It was not planned as I was on the pill. But we had her and we do not have alot of money. We deal with it every day. We have a total of 8 kids between us. We love them all. But my clock is ticking and I would love to have another baby, but I just can not bring myself to have another at this point and time. So no I would not.
@doc_alma_jones (822)
• Philippines
21 Feb 09
oh wow, you have eight kids? that's more than a handful, figuratively and literally. ^_^
oh, yes, unexcpected things are different compared to deliberate plans. i'm glad you were blessed with your children. i'm also glad you are trying your best to provide for them. it must be really tough to provide for eight children! whew! ^_^
@Anora_Eldorath (6028)
• United States
21 Feb 09
Alma-
I saw this thread yesterday but I wanted time to give it some thought. I've heard this argument before and I have to admit it is one that still bothers me, for many reasons.
This type of question is a judgement on who is "wealthy" enough to have children, and those who shouldn't have children. It amazes me that though people in the United States often complain about the harsh climate of China's laws on having children they are the first ones to say that anyone who is on medicaid, foodstamps, or WIC should not have children.
I believe that parents who really want a child should have a child regardless of where they are in life. Saying that someone should wait until they have that perfect job, be out of college is not the thing that should be the deciding factor.
In the United States we have free education grades K-12, so every child has the ability to be educated. I believe in socialized medicine and I wish we had it here but we do have medicaid. So, a poor family can get help with that. I do not feel it is wrong that someone may need these services. Why should they be denied the pleasure of a child? And what is so darn bad about having a community that helps? I find it incredibly selfish of others who say that they deserve a child because they are rich, but the poor man working for them should not know the pleasure of parenthood because they are poor.
In my first marriage I was 18 when I married. I at times was on medicaid, at other times had insurance through my work. I don't consider myself a poor parent at all, I did what was needed. The four oldest ones value education even though they had a public education. They are all looking at college, and though they currently reside with their father they are all still honor roll students, and doing a variety of community and extra curricular activities.
My current husband and I are on a single income by choice. I chose to stay at home and parent my children. I plan to return to the classroom in the next year or so but being at home does not mean I'm not able to provide. Sure, we cut back just like every other human being in America during this time period, but just because we were on one income did not cause me to have thoughts of abortion when we found out we were expecting another child.
I think that it is very difficult to answer just what dictates these standards of life you brought up. It's very much based upon one's own perspective of what they feel is a good education, proper healthcare, good shelter, and enough food. I hope this makes sense.
Namaste-Anora
@doc_alma_jones (822)
• Philippines
21 Feb 09
of course it makes sense ^_^
don't worry, i'm not asking if only well-off people should have families. my concern is that a lot of families simply don't care whether or not they can afford to at least feed their children. yet they keep having babies because "they look cute" or "they are true wealth."
i don't mind anyone having kids - rich, or poor, as long as they at least had the forethought and concern about how to provide their basic needs. unfortunately, some people simply don't care. to state an example, we have a ward in the hospital called a malnutrition ward. we have babies who have marasmus and kwashiorkor. their flesh is literally being cannibalized by their bodies and they are mere skin and bones. this happens a lot here because most parents don't give a darn about providing food for a baby BEFORE the pregnancy is planned.
to some people, having babies is already a blessing, and that's all they want to think about. unfortunately, in extreme neglect, all they want is the privilege of having babies and not the obligation.
so yes, it is alright to have babies, no matter what walk of life you are from. but parents at least have to think about providing the basics, right? this is the "financial responsibility" i'm referring to, and not a luxurious lifestyle. it just angers me when i asked those parents why their child was dying of malnutrition and their answer was, "we didn't have the money to feed another baby but we wanted to have one more baby, so we did it anyway." (by the way, this family already had 9 children.)
thanks for taking time to think about the discussion. i know there are a lot of parents out there who are struggling to provide for their kids, and i salute them. but i don't appreciate people who want to have babies just for the sake of it, without even making sure they can at least feed the baby. :/
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@doc_alma_jones (822)
• Philippines
21 Feb 09
oh, i haven't heard of these extremes... what exactly do other countries do? although i will want families to at least be able to afford the basics, i will not want anything extreme to be done to those families despite my disapproval... i'm i would like to be tough on ideals but gentle to people.
what are these extremes you speak of? i'm curious...
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@Anora_Eldorath (6028)
• United States
21 Feb 09
I can appreciate where you are coming from. I have 6 children. I just don't want to see the US or any country go to the extremes, that's all.
@chameleon7 (295)
• China
20 Feb 09
I think it is an irresponsible act to get married when you don't think you are able earn your bread, let alone having baby. Now I am still single because I don't have a decent job. I am not financially secure. once you decide to start a family, you take up a great responsibility. you have to give the best to your better half. you have to give the best to your children. how can you give them to best if you don't have enough money? if you can just manage to meet ends every money and you choose to start a family, you are selfish.
@doc_alma_jones (822)
• Philippines
21 Feb 09
maybe it is... ^_^
having a family is indeed a great responsibility. some people unintentionally get pregnant, which i think is a different scenario. they never meant to start a family.
but there are those who merely want to start a family. doesn't matter if they have money as long as they see kids running in the backyard. they think kids are "fun." that's fine as long as they can afford to give them what they need, but it becomes really selfish indeed if they can't even afford it.
you're right, you really have to give it your all. prematurely starting a family will have serious consequences.
@lynne3171 (80)
• China
20 Feb 09
Yes I think it is irresponsible to have a baby and not be able to give it an education ,good healthcare,a good shelter ....
So I think I would't star a family when I can't afford it.
Even if I had my fist child, I was not finacially stable at all ,I can't give him enough food ... I think I will giving him up.
@doc_alma_jones (822)
• Philippines
20 Feb 09
i believe it is also irresponsible.
but i don't know about giving the child up... after all, you can always ask help from, say, your parents. as much as children deserve a family who can provide for them, it is of course more ideal if the family they are with is their natural family...
so don't worry, you probably won't need to give up a child even if you're not financially prepared. perhaps someone can help, and getting help is better than giving up your own child, right?
@lynne3171 (80)
• China
21 Feb 09
If you can't feed yourself well ,how can you take care of others?It's my point..
@abradshaw6001 (28)
• United States
21 Feb 09
If your financial situation is extremely bad it may not be the best idea to bring another member into the family. But, no one is ever truly "financially" ready to be a parent. The most important thing is if you are emotionally ready to accept the stresses that do come being a parent. So many people want babies, but do not realize that it is a life time committment when they do it. It is a 24 hour job that doesn't go away and no child should be brought into a home that is not emotionally stable to accept the changes that will occur, even if they have a ton of money! There are way too many people out there that are desiring to have a child to love that can't have them. While there are others that may be "financially" ready to bring a child into their home, but do not have the love to be there for that child no matter what.
@highflyingxangel (9225)
• United States
20 Feb 09
For me, one of the main considerations that I think is important before starting a family is being financially capable to support a family. Children are expensive. I don't want to start a family and then not be able to support myself, my partner and my child or children simply because I didn't think about how much money I have and how much money it takes to support a family. I think it's really irresponsible to start a family when you know you really cannot support the children.
@doc_alma_jones (822)
• Philippines
20 Feb 09
it can really be irresponsible.
we should be responsible for our own actions. having a family is NOT to be taken lightly! it will be noone's fault but our own if our children end up in the streets or with no food or clothes simply because we thought love is enough and that the money will just come along.
but that's just me.
@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
20 Feb 09
No. Regardless that I don't really -want- to -have- children, I would not knowingly create a family for a selfish desire knowing tat I could not provide them with everything they deserve and need.
It IS irresponsible, and that's one thing at least I am not.
Others before myself, that's what I strive to do. It wouldn't make sense for me to get a baby JUST CAUSE knowing full well that I wouldn't be able to provide much of anything for it.
@doc_alma_jones (822)
• Philippines
20 Feb 09
good answer.
i feel the same way. i want to have a child, but i need to know that my child will not go hungry because i did not think of that before i had him/ her.
children deserve better. as much as they are blessings, they are also an obligation that we should be responsible for.
@twoey68 (13627)
• United States
20 Feb 09
Actually this is why so many ppl end up on Welfare and are stuck there is b/c they get pregnant without thinking that it actually costs money to have kids. Even if they get a job, they still have to pay for a sitter. Babies are cute and cuddly and all that but your probably going to enjoy that baby alot more if your not worrying about how your going to afford diapers or how your going to feed it.
Back years ago it was traditional to get married, get on your feet and then start a family. Before that most men wouldn't look at marriage until they were established and had a home and lifestyle to present their bride with, that's why it wasn't surprising to see a 40 year old man marrying a 20 year old woman.
These days ppl have kids right and left. Some don't even know who the fathers are, where they are or anything about them. Some get on Welfare and that's where they stay.
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@doc_alma_jones (822)
• Philippines
20 Feb 09
it's just too bad that people focus on the "babies being blessings" part and forget about the "babies being an obligation" part...
it's good your country has welfare. my country doesn't even have that. so if you have children and you don't have money, the children usually end up as street children or beggars or they end up working at a very early age. and i just HATE child labor.
a person doesn't need to be rich. but it would be nice if a person can afford to give what a child deserves when that child comes...
@annierose (21571)
• Philippines
20 Feb 09
hi doc_alma_jones,
I do not have yet a family of my own but me and my boyfriend is planning on it for our future.We know the responsibilities of making a family. We both know how hard it is especially if you have already kids.And because of that, I think that we will never start a family of our own unless we have some savings for it.My boyfriend and I both wants to marry but because of financial crisis, we cannot afford it as of now.We both decided to just wait and concentrate first on our career before deciding to marry. As of now, he is working so hard. I am just a fresh graduate and currently looking also for a job as a teacher.We are going to wait for two years. I just have to wait for my youngest sister to finish her study for two years. I want to help her first before settling down in marriage so after me, she can help our parents also.We have so many plans and as of now, what we are just going to do is to wait. Maybe, after our wedding, we will still not decide for a baby immediately. We just have to make sure that we are financially stable. And if there is stability in financial, then I think we can prepare for having kids. I think, it is better to think weather we can take care of the child financially, morally, intellectually and emotionally first before we decided to have kids.So, after that, we can say that we have raise a responsible individual.
@doc_alma_jones (822)
• Philippines
20 Feb 09
bravo, bravo!
i think it is excellent that you are trying to plan the best possible life for your child and your family. it is very responsible and mature to wait.
it is way too easy to make an impulsive decision, and it takes a mature person to delay gratification and to make sure that his/ her decisions are a reflection of their discipline, responsibility, and love.
i hope you do get there real soon; i hope you save enough as soon as possible. good luck! i'm sure things will work out as you have the forethought to anticipate your family's needs before your own "wants." ^_^
@maanrodriguez (604)
• Philippines
20 Feb 09
to be honest, I am one of those people who opts to wait to be able to afford starting a family. me and my fiance talked about it and we decided to wait for just about a year before we start having kids, just so we could be sure that we could provide for them. as much as I would want to say that love is the answer to everything, at this day and age, I choose to be more practical and realistic.
@doc_alma_jones (822)
• Philippines
20 Feb 09
yes, love usually answers most questions, but not all. otherwise, there wouldn't be any starving kids now, would there? =)
i'm glad you are being responsible about becoming parents. your children are lucky that you are planning ahead and making sure they get all their needs before they come to your lives. =)