You Will Be Jailed For Disciplining Your Children or Any Children

@eichs1 (1934)
Philippines
February 20, 2009 11:46pm CST
That's true guys. It hits the news today. Someone from the House of Representatives will be filing a bill that aims to punish any adult who bodily harms a child. The intent is good, considering that many are unnecessarily punishing their children or any child under their ward. However, the bill includes almost all forms of disciplinary measures, such as beating, as punishable acts. If the proposed bill becomes law, how can parents now discipline children who don't listen to reason? What's your position on this? Should this be passed? Is the Anti-Child Abuse Law not enough to punish erring adults?
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@lynnemg (4529)
• United States
21 Feb 09
I remember very well being a kid, and getting punished when I did wrong. There were plenty of times when I was spanked, and it did me no harm at all. As a matter of fact, it did me some good. Did I like getting spanked? Of course not! Did it hurt my feelings? Of course it did! Did I learn how to listen and be respectful? Sure did! Now, I am not one who agrees that spanking is always the answer. I think that there are times when it is neccessary and times when it is not. For example, if my child runs out into the middle of the road, my first action is goingto be to tell them to come inside for a while. If they do it again after that, Iwill spank their little rears. Running out in the road is very dangerous. I would rather spank my child so he/she knows that is wrong than to give them a "time out" repeatedly and end up having them hit by a car. In my case, the first act is always a time out from the situation. I will send them to their room, or maybe even have them stand in the corner. If the behavior persisits after that,and it is one that can hurt them or anther person, then, I am more likely to spank them. I am here to teach my children right from wrong, as well as many other things. I would not evr spank my child out of anger, but only as a punishment, and they are all very well aware of that. There are some parents who take it too far and hit their child in the head or for every little thing, and that, I feel is wrong. I also feel that if you tell a child that Mommy and Daddy cannot punish them, you are going to find that there are a lot more kids who end up in trouble with the law as they get older. There will be more kids with behavioral issues at school too. Not to mention, if a paretn ccannot punish their own child, that child will never learn respect, or any of the other values we learn though discipline. There is a fine line between abuse and discipline. In my opinion, there needs to be a law to protect kids from abuse, not punishment.
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@eichs1 (1934)
• Philippines
24 Feb 09
That's exactly what I was thinking @lynnemg. There are lots of ways to make a well-behaved child. I for one agrees that whipping and spanking (though I don't agree on spanking) are somewhat last resort or when it is really appropriate. Child protection from abuse, yes that's a must. But to jail a parent from disciplining a child is unthinkable.
@Pleiades (846)
• United States
21 Feb 09
Holy crap...is this what we're in for? What ever happened to "it takes a village to raise a child"? Why must people be in our business? You can look at this two sided: to raise a child gently versus with a stern but loving hand. I've seen children who are disciplined with a mere sterned tone and they act like rotten apples. I've seen a child whipped with a belt so hard there's bruises left on his body. Different strokes for different folks. It shouldn't leave a child so hurt they can't walk or sit. I've had to spank my son many times because a stern tone doesn't mean anything. Children these days are so spoiled rotten, it's so sad. Like adults, they want and want but aren't willing to do anything for it. When at the store, whenever I hear a kid screaming, all I can say is, "Not my kid". When it is my kid, I just take a firm grip and lead them to a corner and have a talk. Yes, I've had to leave a store or cut my visit short due to unruley children, but that's my part to keep the noise pollution to a dull low. People shouldn't be hearing my children hoot and making a racket. If they do, I'm more embarrased...so much that I can't do anything about it right then and there. You're the parent, you brought them into this world, teach them how to behave...but do it where it isn't uncomfortable to others. Too bad some people get too sensitive when some kid gets whapped on the butt. I'd like to know what the final answer and say is to this conflict. Will we as parents be foreced to write our children letters when they're being bad? Like that's going to happen. Children respond best to verbal things...just listen to the music they play. They aren't troubled by books but by what they hear and feel. Would you tend to believe someone if they wrote to you telling they loved you or would you rather feel their arms around you and hear it whispered in your ear? Love...discipline...it goes hand in hand. Good or bad, it does best physically. *Pleiades
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@cripfemme (7698)
• United States
27 Feb 09
I don't know about the Philippines or any laws in that Country. I would think this law would apply to severe beatings whether they are merited or not. I don't care what the child has done, they don't deserve a severe beating. This may scare them emotionally as you mentioned or injure them in ways you didn't intend. I believe in discipline but think that physical discipline should be the last resort.I mean if the child is in endangering themselves or you (by being violent) such is the case of one girl who led her little brother into a pond which contained alligators (then do whatever you need to do). But in most cases physical discipline is over rated and doesn't teach a child anything.
@eichs1 (1934)
• Philippines
28 Feb 09
We already have law that covers severe beatings. We call it Anti-Child Abuse Law. We have the same stand. We can always discipline and teach children without physically hurting them. I believe though that there are times we really need to let them be hurt to understand other lessons in life. But as you said, physical hurting should be used only when necessary.
@anetteh (3590)
• Sweden
21 Feb 09
Well, Happy weekend to You eichs1. In sweden we have had this law for a long time now. It has worked well for the adults and the children. Children have their rights to. But cann ot alwasy express them for them self. I do not beleive in spanking or hurt the children will help them to understand the wrong things they do or say. I think it only helps them to do the same when they are adults. There are god and better methods to use for bringin and rase our kids. You have a book of law, use it. When You rase the kids, use the local commutity and the law about how we should act, behave and function in our sociaty. You do not do that with child abuse. Child abuse in my opinion is when you spank, beat and hurt Your kids. That is not showing love, that is only showing YOUR power over them and make them see when I grow up I can do the same.
@anetteh (3590)
• Sweden
24 Feb 09
Any country and community have law´s to live by, I am shore You are familier with that. Every country have it. every law are put in a big book, that anyone can by. And I think It is the book the parents should have in their homes to be able to use when you have some issues with your chidlren. I also talk about etichal and moral issues, about how we are supose to behave with and to one another. We also have our values of things, values we as parents give to our children. In Sweden corporal punishment is not OK and the gouvernment in 1979 made a law about total forbiiden of corporal punishment. There is today only 24 countries that forbidd corporal punishemnt. Children have a god way of learning things from US as a parent, WE are their rowmodel in anything We do or say. Therefore, WE as parents, should think about what we do and say to our Children. And using Corporal punishment is not a god way. If I ask You this it might put a light in what I mean. If we do something wrong in our community, we get cougt and put in jail or have to pay in any other way, there is noone hitting us for doing it, right? The gouvernment do not hit us for steeling, murdering or do anything bad in the community, they put us in jail, or make us pay for what we did somehow. So, why should we hit our children for doing something wrong. Should we not use the same methods of punishments as the community does. Like give house arrest or take away something they like instead of hitting them? I feel the issue about corporal punishment is rather logical. You do not do to others what you do not want others to do to You. It is not OK to hit anyone, big, small, adults or children. Children has their rights to.
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@eichs1 (1934)
• Philippines
23 Feb 09
I am not familiar with Swedish customs. Can you please enlighten us about the 'book of law' and what do you mean by using the "local community... and rase our kids". I am particularly curious how your local community helps in disciplining a child. Does your community provide shelter or non-physical punishment for erring children?
@eichs1 (1934)
• Philippines
24 Feb 09
Thanks for clarification. I now fully understand what you mean. We too have regulations here in the Philippines aimed to protect the children for any kind of abuse. I think the existing law is adequate for children protection that's the reason I don't see the need for a new child protection law more so that undermines the ways parents teach their child. Philippine culture accepts whipping as a means to discipline a child and many are against severe punishments.
@aisaellis22 (6445)
• United States
21 Feb 09
Hello eichs1! I don't think this one would be passed. Sometimes, children should be hurt a little bit but not in abusive ways. Children then here would be hard headed and won't listen to their parents anymore. My parents disciplined me too everytime I committed mistake but I don't have any anger to them. I even love them more and thank them for disciplining me. t Why would they still pass that kind of bill? What's the use of bantay bata? I guess they should take care of it and try to make a more relevant bill than "makialam" on how parents raise their child.
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• United States
24 Feb 09
I totally agree with you eichs.
@eichs1 (1934)
• Philippines
24 Feb 09
That's good thing @aisaellis. You realized why your parents did what they have to do. And maybe because they did it out of love and not just to vent their anger. If I am a parent, it will also hurt me if I have to whip my kid. But if that's the only way left to discipline them, then I will rather have them experience hurt for a little while and spare them from living a life lack of discipline.
21 Feb 09
thoses people who say their is a fine line between chid abuse and discipling there child, is wrong. you would never take it to far as to say you came close to that line if you was disciplining your child, you to do this to teach the child from wrong. i do not think this is wrong to do, as tap on the back of the legs or on the back of the hand is not going to couse bodly harm. however i feel there are to many people who push the line into abuse. who say they are disciplining there child so i feel this law may need to be passed in order to protect children who may be in danger. but stopping you from tapping you child on the hand or legs is going a little to far.
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@eichs1 (1934)
• Philippines
24 Feb 09
If you truly care for a child, you know what he/she feels and his/her limitations, you will never have to thread on the boundary of discipline and abuse. In most cases, abuse are more of power play and venting of frustrations and anger rather than wanting the child become a better person. We already have a law protecting children from abuse and for me, this proposed law is not supplementing child protection but undermining parents' ways of dealing with their unruly children.
@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
21 Feb 09
What if a gang of teenagers comes to kill you and rob you? o_O As a teenager, I say the idea of banning "ALL bodily harm of children by adults in ALL situations" is bad.
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@eichs1 (1934)
• Philippines
24 Feb 09
Oh, I don't want bunch of adults fighting a gang of teenagers, that would be riot and will be a different case. But you brought another angle to the discussion. How about if it is a reverse situation, the child is the one hurting the adult? Will the government jail the child?
@zhuuraan (961)
• United States
21 Feb 09
Yes it should be passed. Under no circumstances is there a good reason for an adult to strike their child, even for discipline. Let me ask you something. If an adult lies to the police and even hides evidence and all this, do the police strike them, at least legally? NO! So why should we strike our children? The only time the police lawfully strike a person is if they are being too belligerent to handle. In which case, they would take whatever measures are necessary to subdue them, but it'd have to be pretty serious to warrant that. It is illegal to strike a person and cause bodily harm, and even in cases of self defense the person defending themselves can get in trouble. So, how are children any different? Nobody has the right to strike a child unless it is self defense, and it'd have to be pretty serious. Even so, it'd have to be only enough to subdue them, just like with adults. If a child even hits someone, you don't beat the tar out of them for it. The important thing to do is to teach them when something is wrong and make them think about it. If a child is beyond the point of no return with regard to this matter, then he/she doesn't have very good parents. Children are very impressionable. If we teach them right from wrong at an early age, they'll be less likely to screw up later in life. However, if you spoil them when they're little, let them have what they want, and let them get away with things, it will carry on as they get older and discipline will come a lot harder than before. If this is the case, it is the fault of none other than the parent and the child should not have to pay for it.
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@eichs1 (1934)
• Philippines
24 Feb 09
You have good analogy and reasons. I agree that how a child is raised leaves a lots of impression in ones life. I noticed though that there are lots of cases where parents raised their children the best way they could, some or most of the kids turned good but somehow one turns bad. With such cases, I think we really should not put all the blame on the parents. I am also with you that teaching children is the most important thing. But then again, there are lots of ways to teach. One technique may work in one child but not to the other. I totally agree with you about spoiling a child. That's why I don't agree that parents should be limited on how they should discipline their child. If parents can discipline their children without having to inflict body hurt, that's best. However, they should not be punished for whipping their kids when they did it for good reasons.
• Philippines
21 Feb 09
hello eichs. I hope this "law" have certain degrees. Spanking my be bad if it is over. Or it will almost make the child die. There are certain degrees in disciplining the child. Maybe they are just trying to prevent abuses, like over beating. that there are a lot of marks in the body of the child. Beating the child lightly or "palo sa pwet" is I think good enough beating. it is even mentioned in the bible that sometimes, a child need that in order for them to learn. But anything over is bad. I hope they are just aiming for the "over beating" take care
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@eichs1 (1934)
• Philippines
24 Feb 09
As I've already mentioned, when it comes to child and women abuse, the Philippines have enacted laws for those. In fact, our local government unit (barangay and municipality) are required by the law to allot a portion of their income for VAWC (Violence Against Women and Children) related projects. Our local television stations have also done a great job in making the general populace aware of these laws.
@CRIVAS (1815)
• Canada
21 Feb 09
Personally i do not hit my children, I just think that there are others ways to properly discipline a child without hitting them. The only thing that you teach a child when you hit them, is that it is okay to hit. It doesn't matter to them that they are being punished for something wrong that they did, they only see it as meaning that they can hit someone when they don't do what they want. Personally my daughters respond well to time outs, however there are the few times when that just doesn't cut it. So what do you do next? Easy, start taking things away from them.
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@eichs1 (1934)
• Philippines
24 Feb 09
I agree that there are non-physical ways to discipline your children. If those things work for your kids, well and good. However, I also understand why others have to whip their children. I think that whether we do physical or non-physical disciplining, it should always be for the reason of wanting to mold the child into well-behaved good person and not just because we want to show who is more powerful.
@sahmof2 (274)
• United States
21 Feb 09
This is a ridiculous law how do the government expect people to raise their children properly if they take away all of their parenting rights. This law is most likely from someone who has a nanny and boarding school raising their child or no child at all.
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@eichs1 (1934)
• Philippines
22 Feb 09
They say there are other means to discipline a child such as time out, grounding, etc... as long as there's no physical harm.
@online_jon (1476)
• Philippines
21 Feb 09
Hi eichs1, good day to you my friend. Well this is my response to your forum topic entitled "you will be jailed for disciplining your children or any children". Well for me that's good if the government will confirm that bill so children will no longer be abuse, i think that will be the positive effect of that bill if the government will accept and confirm that bill. And last for the negative effect of that bill is many children will not be fully disciplin because of that bill, as long as the children not be hurt i think it will be not disiplined well!. Well that's all my responsed to your topic. Happy earning and happy posting! Good luck to our earning career here in this site mylot! Godbless and have a nice day to you! ! ! Happy mylotting!
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• Philippines
21 Feb 09
Well, I'm from the Philippines and I think that's pretty much a pointless law. Why do they make laws like this? I think it's really a waste of time because come on... during the early days of a child they listen to their parents because they are afraid to get punished. I've seen my nephews grow and I saw the difference from a non-punishing mother and a punishing mother. The non-punishing mother had a child who is spoiled...her child treats adults as if they are not adults! While of course the punishing mother has a child who is really disciplined and responsible. It's already part of the cultivation of a well disciplined person and you can't remove that. "Punishment" is negative but is positive in a lot of ways. I really think they shouldn't implement that. If ever I do have a son of my own and I try to spank him because he said a bad word..I'll go straight to jail? Fine.. I'll go to jail..but don't blame me what my son will become in the future.
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@eichs1 (1934)
• Philippines
21 Feb 09
The author of the law and a psychologist was quoted saying that beating, spanking and other corporal punishments leave bad impression to a child's mind and that may also make the child violent and eventually hate their parents. I guess if punishment becomes abuse, then they are right. However, unreasonable and too much beating or any other physical harm, be it used for disciplining or otherwise, is already covered in our anti-child abuse law.
@gelay07 (588)
• Philippines
21 Feb 09
spanking has its level or degree of force. i believe in desciplining through spanking BUT only to get the kid's attention and let the kid be aware of your role as parents but not to the extent the kid will have bruises or marks left in his body. I am one aunt who always interfere and get in to fights with my sister when she spank her kids with so much force. I am for the passing of the bill but be more specific on the guidelines.
• United States
21 Feb 09
Frankly I believe the Government sticks their nose in the affairs of families far to much. I believe that as long as the punishment does not leave marks on the child such as a spanking and the child is healthy and happy for the most part then the parents are doing their job. To tell a parent that they can't discipline their children when they need it is like saying the military can't go to war because it hurts innocent people. Parents have a right to deal with disruptive children and I for one will not allow the state or anyone to tell me I can't spank my children.
@roberten (3128)
• United States
21 Feb 09
Oh that's easy, eichs1, just call the cops everytime the child needs a spanking. If they get to much out of control, just sign them over to the state. The kids get to stay at home with you but you are no longer responsible for their behavior. If enough people drop these kids back on the door steps of the government, they will be only too happy to revise or repeel the law altogether. Parents have a natural right to raise their own children. Children have a legal right not to be abused. We should be able to allow this natural way of life to occur without getting crazy-involved through excessive legalese and government over-involvement.
@eichs1 (1934)
• Philippines
21 Feb 09
Whoa! That's what I told my sister-in-law when we were talking about this. That we just bring the children to the government's custody every time they need to be disciplined. However, here in the Philippines, being disrespectful or not obeying your parents is not punishable by law. So if we sign in the kids to the cops without enough reason, that will be another case. Worst, if the cops agrees with the parents, human rights advocate will come in and file charges for illegal detention and child abuse. You are right. There are some areas, like parenting, that the government becomes too much involved and making things messier than ever.
@crigal (105)
• United States
21 Feb 09
No one can tell me how to raise and discipline my kids! That includes the government. I have tried to raise my kids right and for the most part my kids are very respectful of all people!
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@alharra (507)
• United States
21 Feb 09
If I can't spank my little boy anymore (I don't often and only a swat) then I'm going to dump my son on the Representative for a week, with no meds for my son. My son has severe ADHD and Asperger's Syndrome Trust me a week of my unmedicated son will change anyone's mind on the spanking issue.
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@itsme_cha (504)
• United States
22 Feb 09
i think it really depends on how you discipline your kids, you can do it verbally without hitting them, being so violent like hitting them is absulutely wrong. i think its unlawfull to hit your kids with anything, you cant physically abuse kids. happy mylotting.