Canadian Justice

they have it made while we are keeping up their sorry buttes & we are out here struggling to make ends meet. i think they need to be alot stricter on crimanals than they are. so many of them had rather be there instead of out in the world having to make a living & showing any resonsibility.

We have both kinds here..up in Northern Minnesota there is one for executives...they are free to roam around..have everything at their fingertips and live kind of a luxury life....then in Arizona there is a sheriff that makes them wear pink undies...sleep in tents in the arizona heat and they work for whatever they need.....we need more like him in our system...he is smart enough to work around all the human rights issues too...like blocking their cable tv to only public networks etc...

You are absolutely right. That's why I'm so against everyone going to jail and having everything given to them. They should be put on a teather(leg bracelet) not allowed to do anything but to go to work and home again. They must pay for what they did. If they owe someone they have to pay them back. They shouldn't be able to sit in jail, be fed, have medical, etc. That is a bonus for them.

Dear Grandma; its the Government who run the jails. Please don't suggest that the Government make convicts work to repay their debt to society. You and I both know, the way the government works it would cost the country double for each inmate, if the Government made them repaid their debt to society.

I think that most of the brains and intelligence of the "People in charge" are in their behinds.. there is no common sense any more.. I think criminals should be punished and put on work duty until the amount stolen is paid back entirely and then some.. I don't believe in "molly-coddling" anyone who can't work and go by the rules like everyone else has to.. We have to and like you said, we do have to do the dirty work, cleaning toilets and such, we have to prepare our own meals, pay our own way, do our own work and we haven't done anything to be punished for, but it is our duty, so we do it.. Some people are just too dam*ned lazy to breathe on their own and they think the world owes them a living, a nice living at that, and the officials in charge of punishing them should have to either make sure the amount stolen is paid back or pay it back themselves.. One way or the other, we don't need any more "innocent victims", they are the ones all the way around..

I have never agreed with those who are in jail for crimes being able to sit there, have three meals, a bed to sleep in, little to no responsibility, t.v. to watch, and all of it is paid for by the taxpayers, and as you said, if they are sick, they will go to a doctor without question. I think that they should have to cook and clean for themselves, and while they are in jail, I think they should have to get a job and work to pay restitution to those they wronged, whether it be from theft, murder, or whatever, they are in jil for wronging someone and committing a crime, they should have to do a lot more than just sit around and think about it.

Your Canadian Justice sounds like our American Justice. The difference is if I had that $10,000 in my underwear drawer, that dude better hope that I don't get ahold of him and do my own kind of justice. People in prison don't have much to worry about, they have a roof over their head, thy get fed each day. But their lives stop, they just exist. I can't imagine being locked up like that, but then thats all that some people know, they don't know how to live out here, they don't know how to cope and take care of themselves. Both of our justice systems do need to be looked at and some things do need to change, just putting someone in jail is not always the answer. BTW, how are you doing and how is the hubby doing? Its snowing again in my neck of the woods, I am so looking forward to spring.

Here in Texas many convicts do work. We have fields where they grow crops for inmates to eat and shops where they make liscense plates for cars. There are things for them to do. As for me, I would be afraid to go to Canada, no offense meant. I have read about indians being murdered by people connected with the Canadian government and autistic people losing their rights up in Canada. I saw a long movie on the web about Canada by Kevin Annett about indian children being murdered up there in Canada. I personally do not know if these things are true. I have seen almost no indians in Canadian movies.

I also heard that these crooks may be able to vote. Maybe they should do what they do in the States, make them make license plates or chop up big rocks into smaller ones. I do wonder why the person whose money was stolen does not get the money back. After all, it was in his house, and let us suppose that he had the flu and could not go to the bank and deposit the money in, or it was Sunday, he just got the money Saturday, etc. It seems here in Canada, the criminal is rewarded. I mean we were deducted $200 from our check we got from Blue Cross, so that our check for over $500 wound up to be $300 up. But the convicts get free medicine, free hospitalization, etc. at the taxpayer's expense.

Good topic, and nice to hear from you...I don't know why my notification is NOT working for you! Thank goodness, our justice system is under review! When I grew up, thoughts/mention of jail...conjured up thoughts of; bread & water, 12 days on a chain gang! Today, thoughts of jail....a roof over my head, warmth, 3 squares a day, T.V., recreation of any form I choose, education...more comforts than a lot of people have at home! Thanks to all the humanitarians...jail is a holdiay! Many persons re-offend, cause they can't/don't want to make it on "civvy" Street, where all of the above, comes with hard work! (That shud have read 12 hours a day on a Chain Gang)! Garnisheeing their wages, won't/doesn't work....because they won't work! It's easier to steal! What is the rate of our rehabilitation? Very low, I would guess! Just showed on the news that out of 37 criminals, they had committed over 14,000 crimes, and each crime.....the sentence of imprisonment was shorter! What's up with that? Commit a crime once a month, assured that 25 days are spent in jail with MORE than the ammenities at home! I should get off my band wagon.....but I hear you loud & clear!

I don't know about Canadian jails, but in the US, jail is no picnic. Sure, they serve three square meals a day, but they are bland, maybe luke warm, and nothing fancy. Kind of like school cafeteria food, but a lot worse. The toilet that is cleaned for the inmates is in full view of anyone who happens to be walking by, plus the prisoners across the aisle. Their beds are just a mattress a few inches thick on a board, pretty much. They get to work out, watch TV, read and even play board games, but these activities are often interrupted by fights, often not put to an end by the guards and sometimes even started by them. Inmates often fear for their safety. If they get hurt in a fight, they receive medical care, but often it is not timely, and it is certainly not from a doctor of their choice or who takes the time to really care for them the way your family doctor would. They have no choice about how to spend their time, or with whom. They don't get to decide when to go to bed and when to get up, when to eat breakfast, or what to have for breakfast, when to go outside for a walk. They have no privacy, no freedom to make their own choices. This is not my opinion of prison life- it is what I was told by two people who have been there. If you think it is not punishment, you are wrong. Sure, when people commit heinous acts it doesn't seem like enough punishment. But prisoners have their own system to punish people like that. People who commit crimes against children are generally treated very badly, beaten, and made to suffer pretty badly. Seems ironic that criminals themselves have morals about which crimes are ok to commit and which aren't. People who commit crimes against children are treated so badly, in fact, that they often are placed in solitary confinement for their own safety. Solitary is a different kind of punishment, probably drives them mad. Anyway, my point here is not to defend criminals or to say that the justice system always works to punish everyone appropriately. Just to point out that jail is not the country club that some people think. It is bad.

Here in Mass, if you are found guilty you do the time sure you get everything you said but they do have to work in the jail,in our system some more than others. I have always said they should all be put to work either cleaning the highways in the fields to pay for their food and room and board. Realistically though they would once again be taking jobs from the people who are free and need the money to feed there family. After doing their time in jail they should have to pay restitution to pay the victem back.

Hi Grandmaof2! It works the same way here in the US! I never quite understood the penal system either! It is true that they do take care of the criminals and they don't have to worry about all those things until they are released! And the person who they robbed or did whatever to is still out the money or whatever they stole from them! It really doesn't make any sense to me either! But, that's the strange thing about law, it very rarely does make sense!

In my Justice System,in Pakistan, you don't have to be guilty of the crime, you just have to be mentioned in the FIR (First Incidence Report), and you can spend years and years just coming to the stage where you can prove yourself innocent.During this time, you have to go to the court and be marked 'present', or you may go to prison for disobeying. We have no Charles Dickens here, and we are still entangled in laws left behind after the British raj.If I have stolen 10,000.00, and am influential enough, I can lodge a complaint against the people I have stolen from, and bind them up for atleast 10 years. No such thing as feeding off the government, if I have to eat when I am in prison, my family outside will have to pay, not officially but bribe the authorities.

I don't know where you get your information from. I have never eaten prison food myself but from what I read and what can be researched as facts I certainly eat better than that. If you have ever eaten hospital food or large cafeteria food for a few weeks you will know what I mean. As for not having to cook and clean, it is my understanding that inmates who pose no risk to others and guards perform these duties in prisons. As for accomodation, let me say this that most prisons in Canada are woefully overcrowded and often 3 or 4 inmates have to share cells ment for two people that are not too big in the first place. This fact can also be researched and verified. And yes, you are right, if someone keeps 10 000 in their underwear drawer and it gets stolen, they should not complain. There are smarter ways to guard your valuables. As for doling out justice, many enlightened judges resort to demanding restitution, community service and counselling, in particular where aboriginal communities are concerned. Elders have a say. In youth criminal courts judges often order community service, facing the victims of the crime and restitution. I think your post contains a lot of generalizations that you need to substantiate, otherwise the "myth" that prisons are "Hotel Hiltons" will be perpetuated for a long time.

yup need to bring back the old Chian gangs!

I agree that they should work and pay back the people and the government a small percent and if they have a house or land, sale it to get back the mpney they stoled in stead of taking up space in the prison living like a King or Queen and when they come out they spend what they stole and look for someone else to steal from! I agree!!

Are you sure you wouldn't have to make restitution of the $10,000? And if you don't like cleaning the toilet, how do you feel about having it a few feet from your bed? Not to mention no lid or seat even... Then there's the criminal record.

Well according to my opinion . Some countries like canada have the jury system to servee even criminals as a guest . providing him the best food, clothing and shelter . So if u r unemployed and poor , do nothing except snatching a purse or ice cream and get a sight in front of the police , the police will lock you in prison and give you delicioues food to eat . Isn't it greattttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

it does make sense to make them repay the money that they have stolen i mean its not like they didnt know it was a crime when they did it in the first place but it still didnt stop them from doing it me personally have never been to jail and would never want to be im perectly happy struggling and with our economy the way it is thats just the way its going to be a struggle for everyone does the candian system have any kind of probation after you get out that if you violate you go right back in?