Help me understand
By rljj812
@rljj812 (10)
United States
February 25, 2009 6:45pm CST
I am a Christian and a Baptist by denomination. This question has probably been debated here but no matter I am a newbie and I simply want to know if I am the only one who doesnt understand or what. How can a country that considers itself Christian elect a President who is in favor of abortion. Now before I get a bunch of post about pro-choice vs pro-life. Lets agree that if you favor pro choice then you are in favor of abortion, period no discussion nessacary. So saying that if you consider your self a Christian I would like to know how you could bring your self to vote for Obama. I dont want to talk about the war, gas, the economy or any of that, it is not meaningful to this talk. I am concerned that people who hold themselves up as Christian and would reflect Christian values could vote for some one who is so infavor of abortion. I do hope that this discussion can be friendly and amicable. I am not trying to start a fight I simply would like ot know how people rationalize their decision. Thank you
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8 responses
@kerriannc (4279)
• Jamaica
26 Feb 09
Hello rljj welcome to MYLOT. Alot of us as christian does not read the bible. We got baptized and believe that it is the beginning to the end. But Christianity is more than being baptize this is just the symbol of burying our sins and rising up as a new creature. A true christian does not believe in abortion. I don't believe in it but voting for Obama is not because he is for abortion. Person voted for him because they say a hope in him. Obama to me is a human being and one should not place hope in humans.
I don't believe that christians voted for him because of the abortion issue. They voted for him because he was the better candidate at the time. What parents should do is instill the teaches of the bible in their family life. You cannot expect the President to tell you to abort your children when you know that it is wrong. If he had abort his children then they would not be there right. You have to make your own choice and so I believe that person should think for themselves instead of allowing others do that for them. As a christian what you should do is try and and spread the gospel in a positive way. The scriptures that you know talk against abortion put them out there in discussion and teach it in an amicable way.
Have a nice day.
Kerry
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@jonc9889 (10)
• United States
26 Feb 09
Kerry makes a valid point. If we dissect the faults one person has, then no one should be considered fit to be president. I didn't think about abortion when I voted for Obama, because I knew that if I had a child, I would never be able to give him/her up. That's something I chose, not the president.
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@Arkie69 (2156)
• United States
26 Feb 09
How can a true Christian vote PERIOD? Anyone that is voted into office at some point are going to rip the people off one way or the other. If you vote for that person you gave them your permission to do it and that I refuse to do. George Bush and Obama are the best example I have seen of this in a long time.
Abortion is cold blooded murder no matter how you stack it up. Killing a baby is killing a baby no matter how you try to justify it. Just because you signed papers to give a doctor permission to kill your baby does not get you off the hook either. You are just as guilty of murder as the doctor that did the dirty deed. One day God will explain this to a lot of people and they will give Him a bunch of excuses but He will not accept them. I could be one of these people because I signed papers so my underage daughter could have an abortion. It didn't take God long to make it very clear what I had done. This was over 30 years ago and I still ask God to forgive me for it. I wouldn't blame Him one bit if He didn't.
Art
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@rljj812 (10)
• United States
26 Feb 09
Thank you for your input and your honesty, I do understand that no one is perfect and it makes it hard to vote for one over the other. I do belive you have to express your voice by voting, and by doing that I believe that you have to vote for the lesser of two evils. Was Bush a great president no but Ivoted for him because he most resembled my personnal beliefs. I honestly could not ever see voting for someone who is in favor of killing babies as you put it. So yes I do believe you have to vote and as Christians we have to try to elect people that will lead our country the best.
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@kerriannc (4279)
• Jamaica
26 Feb 09
Arkie right through the bible God shows us to respect the law of the land. It also speak the oppression etc. As christian God didn't tell us not to participate in the country activities he only said that we should not partake in the darkness which is Satan and his principles. The bible says no one becomes an authoritative figure unless God anoints it. To even symbolize the importance of participating in the country activities Jesus Christ the son of God was born during tax season.
If God was abhorred to things such as election then we wouldn't have pharaoh, neither would Christ born at that time. Would there been any significant for these things?
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@Arkie69 (2156)
• United States
27 Feb 09
Kerri, If Satan ever had a strong hole it is Washington DC. I do my best to distance myself from politics for that reason. I know God tells us to obey the laws of the land and I do my best to but I refuse to be part of the evil that makes up our government. If you accept what these people do and vote for them then you just as guilty as they are. There is no two ways about it. Either your are for or against evil and I choose to be against it. If that doesn't agree with some people's opinion then that's tough.
Art
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@rmuxagirl (7548)
• United States
26 Feb 09
I think there are many different conflicts when it comes to different Christian values such as abortion. Sure we are a Christian country but there are many viewpoints, and I think President Obama being pro-choice doesn't necessarily mean he is for all out abortion, there could be reasons he would see it reasonable, and there are some reasons I see it as reasonable, but for the main point I am pro-life. He has many other great ideas and doing his best for this country and I think that is what we need to look at instead of his beliefs that we may not have the complete answer too. I'm sure if we all get to ask him a question and you ask him about his abortion beliefs he would say something that would make you understand why he believes what he believes. Part of being a Christian means we are acceptable of what others believe and sure we may not agree with President Obama's stance right now, but he also supports other things that we do.
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@stacyv81 (5903)
• United States
26 Feb 09
I agree.
There was a woman for Obama who was CATHOLIC!!
She sitting on the porch with her husband and 4 children, said, "I was for McCAin until I heard Obama's policy on abortion, now I am going with Obama, although I know this conflicts with my religion"
WHAT?
I guess some people just pick and choose what they want to believe in their "religion"
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@maximax8 (31046)
• United Kingdom
26 Feb 09
Hello there and welcome to My Lot. I live in Europe. I am pro-life and would never have an abortion. Ireland is a Catholic and abortion there is not allowed unless the woman's life is in danger. Some Irish ladies pop to the next door country for abortion. In Malta abortion is completely illegal and some Maltese ladies pop over to their neighboring country across the sea to have an abortion.
Sometimes in politics voters might not see exactly think any of the choices of future president are ideal. Not one of them will be perfect but the voter must make a choice. The people that voted for Obama must have seen some good points about him. I hate the fact that he is in favor of abortion. Apart from that I don't know much about him.
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@aprilj1231 (288)
• United States
26 Feb 09
I didn't vote for Obama....but I have heard so many people say they voted for him because he was going to make their lives better. I know a woman who voted for him and then stopped paying her rent because she said Obama was going to take care of her. I think we have become lazy and too many people are depending on the goverment or someone else to take care of them....but that's another discussion for another day. I can't tell you why I voted for him, because as I said, I didn't and I know I won't vote for him when he runs again in four years. I do not like anything he supports, he doesn't mirror my personal beliefs. He's the candidate for change, but the changes he wants aren't changes that strengthen and enrich our heritage that was hard won for us by our founding fathers. We are supposed to be a Christian nation and given that the pastor that Obama sat under, the man he called mentor, the man from whose sermon title he chose the title for his book (The Audacity of Hope, for those who are uninformed) is a racist, anti-American; I do not have a great deal of hope for the fate of this "Christian" nation. I cannot be made to believe that you could sit under someone's tutelage for twenty years and walk away without retaining some of the things you were taught. I can't vote for a pro-life candidate, but I also cannot vote for someone who associates themselves with people who hate our nation and it's history. I don't get mad and angry at people who don't agree with me, that's what makes us Americans, we are all allowed to speak and vote our conscious.
@stacyv81 (5903)
• United States
26 Feb 09
lol...There was a lady on the radio when Obama was elected who said I never thought I'd see a time we didnt have to pay rent or for groceries!
I was like is he your husband or president lol
I think a lot of people misunderstood what he was saying lol
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@aprilj1231 (288)
• United States
26 Feb 09
I know I was totally stunned....I couldn't believe what I was hearing. I almost started laughing.
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@stacyv81 (5903)
• United States
26 Feb 09
And I am with you on the whole associating with people who hate America.
Isnt it funny how people in America stereotype muslims, and most are fearful of them because of what happened on 9/11 (I am not one of the people who do that)
and they talk about it a lot.
Yet, they have no problem electing a Muslim president? It makes me laugh sometimes to think about it!
They completely dismissed the associations of him with terrorists.
And then one girl got on tv and said,"For the first time in America, we have finally elected someone not based on their race, but based on what they say and can do for this country,"
Now that was one of the funniest things I have ever seen on tv....
Because most people DID vote for him based on his race. lol!
America is so funny and hypocritical....There is nothing else to do but laugh! lol
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@skysuccess (8858)
• Singapore
26 Feb 09
rljj812,
I believe everyone that has the right to vote must vote and they will have to make a decision eventually. I think you are just making it difficult for yourself here by saying that Obama in particular is in favor of abortion and not ever asked yourself if it would be any different with another candidate. I think abortion in the first place is a recognized and legal in the constitution and the reasons for and against had already been long established. So, it would not be any different with any other candidate and it does not make any of us a lesser Christian to vote for a leader when it is required by the constitution and the law.
Abortion itself maybe deemed cruel, unnecessary or similar to murder, but can any country afford to disregard it totally or illegalise it? Can we really do away abortion? IMO I do not think so at least not in a total sense. So, again, voting for Obama or any other candidate is deemed a lesser Christian on our part here for like us they are upholding the constitution and that constitution supports abortion.
@aprilj1231 (288)
• United States
26 Feb 09
Really? I have read the Constitution and I don't remember a word one being said about abortion one way or the other.
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@Heifer1 (48)
• United States
4 Mar 09
1. I don't think the Christians of this nation call this a Christian country anymore. Don't we all see that our country has changed from being Christian to being secular and worse? When have we as a Christian people stood up together and demanded that God be not taken out of our country? Our government has done everything it can to make this a secular nation with socialistic control over the nation, and we christians have sat around doing nothing, and now look where we are.
2. I don't think that most caucasian Christians in this country voted for Obama and in favor of abortion. What did happen is that all of the nonchristian people in this country, who love secular sinfulness and believe the promises of a lying man voted for him. The really big part of those who voted for Obama are all of the black people of this country, and, unfortunately this includes many Christian black people, who chose to vote for a man of color over their Christian beliefs. Christians are a minority in this country now, and the majority won.
3. I believe there are very evil people in the highest ranks of this world who hand selected this man to be president, and made sure he became president.
Abortion is a nonissue for the heathens of this country and the world!!
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